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Your rating on Mountain Lion (out of 10)


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throAU

macrumors G3
Feb 13, 2012
9,198
7,353
Perth, Western Australia
I am not very impressed by the ML GM. I just upgraded from ML DP 4 to the GM, now it eats up most of my cpu, under the Activity Monitor, the kernel task uses up any where from 160% to 190%, sometimes 200% with 180% for most of the time. I wonder if it happens to other Macs. I have a Late 2008 Macbook Air. 2G RAM and 1.6G C2D

Do a clean reinstall. Something is wrong with your box - and it isn't mountain lion. Sure spotlight has finished running?

Did you download it off a torrent site? There was a copy floating around with a different checksum (i.e., the file had been altered from what apple released) to the genuine golden master as downloaded from the apple developer website, maybe you have malware?

I didn't think ML supported the 2008 MBA?
 

WhackyNinja

macrumors 68000
Jul 6, 2012
1,843
497
Kissimmee, FL
I love Lion. But Mountain Lion just blew Lion away. Its faster, smoother, and it has a lot of awesome features. My favorites: Notification Center, Twitter/Facebook Integration, Reminders (cause I forget a lot xD) and Dictation. Soooo basically almost EVERYTHING is my favorite :D
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
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UK
Mountain Lion is what I imagined Lion to be like (very consistent with iOS instead of being half-baked and in the gap between the two). Unfortunately, this does not mean I like Mountain Lion at all. Having play around with it, I feel Apple have cluttered OS X with useless gimmicks, features that fall short to their predecessors and bloat.

First for example, lets have a look at the main features advertised by Apple.
- iCloud. This came with Lion, but more integration with the service is more than welcome. I feel iCloud has yet to reach its true potential and hope Apple take it in the right direction as development for it continues.

- Messages. I sort of expected iMessage capability to come to iChat, but instead it looks like Apple have created a new program with iChat functionality. I approve.

- Reminders. Not amazing for a main feature if I'm honest, didn't iCal once have a sidebar for this sort of thing?

- Notes. Is this really a feature to be boasted about? Instead of using Mail.app, you can now use a themed notes app? I can't understand why Apple are parading this as one of their top ten features.

- Notifications Center. Something like this in OS X is long overdue, just like it was in iOS. Unfortunately I don't think Apple have got the intergration of this one right at all. The banners are fine, but the sidebar really looks awful and likes to appear when I'm gesturing for Mission Control.

- Share Sheets. I'll be honest here, I have no use for this what so ever.

- Twitter. Saves you downloading an app to tweet. Totally astounding.

- Game Center. I expected this one to come with Lion. It's a good idea, even though I think Steam is more suited to PC gaming, this is just a case of 'why the hell not?' Not keen on the design, but it seems to work fine with compatible games.

- AirPlay Mirroring. A big deal was made over this and I can see why. I don't have much use for it, but I have tried it out, only to find it painfully slow. Maybe this will be fixed for the final release.

- Gatekeeper. It is good to see Apple beginning to take security seriously, especially since OS X has been more under the spotlight for malware makers thanks to increased marketshare. This however isn't really a feature to be boasted about in my opinion. To most people, it'll just sit there, unchanged, unused and rather useless.

Overall, Apple have ironed out the inconsistence between OS X and iOS that were created in Lion, whilst adding a bit of security and fixing some bugs. But for me to enjoy using it there still has to be some radical steps backwards towards Snow Leopard.

I can't stand Mission Control, it is devastatingly poor compared to Expose + Spaces. Playing hide n seek with my windows is not what I want to do everyday, something Expose and Aero Peek cure. Mission Control just seems to shrink and group the windows for you.

Multi-Monitor support is still lacking, especially for full-screen apps. How hard can it be for them just to have OS X recognize a 2nd monitor as another permanent 'space'? Obviously too hard.

The gestures, from description and demo seem like a great idea. However they are not for everyone. I like some of them (such as scrolling and page turning etc) but hate the ones that activate Launchpad and Mission Control. They are clunky at times and often don't pick up or get confused. They should not be focused as the main way to navigate around your OS until they are simple and reliable, which they are not.

Launchpad, what was the point in it? Just to make OS X seem more like iOS, for the sake of it, it seems. Oh well, it least it's stopped re-ordering my apps and has a search bar now.

Call me old fashioned, but I like to save my files manually. I understand I am the minority here and that many people love Versions. However for them, like myself, who detest it, Apple should at least provide a way to disable it forever.

Overall, despite being more like iOS, I find Mountain Lion a very confused OS, as though they took Snow Leopard and dragged it kicking and screaming through an iOS make over, making Mountain Lion the second attempt. The main features seem weak and the features that were introduced in Lion haven't improved much. It is still slower and requires more resources than Snow Leopard, which for what extra it does, seems rather inane and begs the question as to whether Apple's programming is as efficient as it could be. At least the WiFi issues in Lion have been fixed, but it still doesn't make me what to use it as my main OS.

For now, I will be sticking with Snow Leopard and Windows 7 as my main OSs. Hopefully 10.9 will be good. If not I might just be converted back to the Windows platform permanently.

I really do think it is a shame that Apple feels it has to gimmick out it's once simple, powerful and beautiful OS.
 

fertilized-egg

macrumors 68020
Dec 18, 2009
2,109
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I really do think it is a shame that Apple feels it has to gimmick out it's once simple, powerful and beautiful OS.

Interestingly, I feel Mountain Lion feels much more simple, streamlined, and beautiful than Snow Leopard. Whenever I go back to Snow Leopard, the scrollbars and the lack of window resizing anywhere makes me cringe for some reason.

More than anything else though, Mountain Lion feels very snappy in use on a few systems I've tried it on, significantly more so than Lion.Also I personally love the notification center combined with the new message app and faster Safari.
 

sireShonBohn

macrumors regular
Jun 18, 2012
180
0
For now, I will be sticking with Snow Leopard and Windows 7 as my main OSs. Hopefully 10.9 will be good. If not I might just be converted back to the Windows platform permanently.

I really do think it is a shame that Apple feels it has to gimmick out it's once simple, powerful and beautiful OS.

Seriously? I have used Windows 7 since it came out and I feel pretty strongly that Lion is better. That being said...

I agree with you on Aero peek vs Mission Control. Why can't I see what's in my tabs through expose or MC? It's absurd! Aero peek is so simple and it gets the job done. But, the UI for aero peek is kind of shabby, it feels slightly tacked on though it accomplishes the task. Conversely, MC sure looks nice but basically tells you nothing you didn't already know.

I hate the way gestures work for MC. I strongly STRONGLY disagree with the idea that the same gesture takes you in and out of MC. I believe that there is an analog to the physical world in that *only* the opposite gesture takes you out of the app. So 3 fingers up reveals MC, 3 fingers down closes it. Hello, this is how Launchpad works! 4 finger pinch to reveal launchpad, 4 finger spread to hide it. Why did they treat MC differently?

I hate the "spread" functionality in MC, it's pointless. First of all, I think that "spread" should work with two finger zoom, why is it instead the same gesture used to reveal the desktop? I think that's not intuitive especially because I feel mentally that the spread gesture is reserved for the desktop reveal. A two finger zoom gesture for "spread" is all thats needed.

I would love to see an expose like reveal on just the one app when executing "spread" in MC. I think MC is the right idea. I just think it doesn't go far enough, and I think they copped out with "spread" when they had it do NOTHING.

After using the iPad and loving the gestures I have to say I was mildly confused and disappointed with Lion's gesture control. The iPad is extraordinary and it puts you in touch with the computing experience in a way that is moving toward transcendence. Lion definitely keeps you at a distance.
 

MacPC

macrumors regular
Sep 25, 2006
213
1
Sounds like that's the problem. That is one of the slowest machines that you can even run ML on. Surely SL would run nicer on that machine.

I just noticed that 20 minutes or so after a reboot, kernel task slows down to a reasonable range between 1 to 15 %, and I also remember one thing, perhaps the kernel is busy indexing Spotlight? I remember this happened before when I was using Snow Leopard.
 

Krazy Bill

macrumors 68030
Dec 21, 2011
2,985
3
if your attention span can't cope with one additional click, you have bigger issues.
Seriously? The fact that I have to stop what I'm doing, read a whole freaking paragraph on a dialog then decide wtf to do makes the OSX experience better how?

All I want to do is edit the damned document! Amazing how this planet survived for 30 years by just using those feeble commands called Save and Save As...
 

iDemiurge

macrumors 6502
Feb 7, 2011
275
212
Portugal
I didn't vote cause I'm not running ML, but I have to say I'm quite excited about it. I'm hoping to see a gain in performance in my 2011 mba, since I can't upgrade the ram (really my only gripe with the machine). Really looking forward to notes, powernap, and dictation.
 

iwan073

macrumors 6502
May 1, 2011
401
274
The Netherlands
I gave it a 6.

I'm kinda disappointed with ML.

Yes, it runs fine and one or two new features are.... kinda nice. But I expected more.

Like come on... A notification center? Why would I wanna use that?
If I get mail, the mail icon in the dock will tell me so
 

MacPC

macrumors regular
Sep 25, 2006
213
1
Sounds like that's the problem. That is one of the slowest machines that you can even run ML on. Surely SL would run nicer on that machine.

I just remember something, this happened when I install Snow Leopard few years back. The reason was the OS was busy indexing for spotlight. Perhaps ML is doing the same thing because 20-30 minutes after a reboot, kernel task slows way down to 1-5% on each core, and my MBA runs a lot smoother :D
 

danb77

macrumors 6502
Sep 4, 2007
442
3
ML is not about new features. It is Lion made better. Think of it that way and you won't be disappointed (this is also how Apple are marketing it and pricing it).
 

WSR

macrumors regular
Jun 9, 2011
249
2
As an extensive Spaces/Expose user with 2 monitors, I gave it a 3. The new features and apps haven't impressed me enough to change from SL.
 

ijohn.8.80

macrumors 65816
Jul 7, 2012
1,246
2
Adelaide, Oztwaylya.
It's good to have Save As back. :rolleyes:

Early 2008 iMac 21.5" now flies, as does my 2011 iMac 27". All in all, everything is much snappier now! :D

Personally, I'm not fussed over the Notification Centre, whereas my girlfriend loves it!
 

544263

Suspended
Feb 24, 2011
227
264
Installed, tried 1 day, went back to 10.7.4 !

1. apple+alt+ctrl+8 ... doesn't work anymore
2. My RSS feeds in Mail ... lost, why !?
3. battery remaining time ... not showing in menu anymore!
4. finder left sidebar ... buggy (not showing) on my MBP 2011 15" (OK on my wife's, MBP 13" 2011)
5. Mail ... when i selected multiple emails on 10.7.4, Mail showed the count of selected emails. On 10.8 it displays a useless fancy stack, but no count anymore?
6. Mail ... no visual feedback anymore like in 10.7.4 when downloading emails (in the folder view). I feel like somebody who could see in 10.7.4 now feeling "blind" in 10.8

Dictation and AirPlay are definately cool, well done Apple. But you definately made other things worse and completely removed other features for (in my eyes) no reason!

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ML is not about new features. It is Lion made better. Think of it that way and you won't be disappointed (this is also how Apple are marketing it and pricing it).

I'd love to. Except, it is not! ... I am missing some features that were in 10.7. How could this be better? (see my other post)

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I am not very impressed by the ML GM. I just upgraded from ML DP 4 to the GM, now it eats up most of my cpu, under the Activity Monitor, the kernel task uses up any where from 160% to 190%, sometimes 200% with 180% for most of the time. I wonder if it happens to other Macs. I have a Late 2008 Macbook Air. 2G RAM and 1.6G C2D

Are you running little snitch? It might be that, i've had some problems with it.
 

DKZ

macrumors member
Mar 14, 2006
87
1
I've been running the GM on my 11" 1.4 4gb ultimo 2010 Air for a couple of days now. It's been a mixed experience.

First I just updated from Lion, but the machine was nearly unusable performance wise. Doing a clean install helped, but as soon as I have more than a couple of apps open, (Mail, Pulp, Forklift etc.) the performance gets very erratic. This was not a problem in SL og Lion.

UI in general seems to be smoother, scrolling in Safari seems very smooth, if nothing else is running that is. Speaking of Safari, love Safari 6 uni bar is awesome, hate the dozen or so system lockups I've experience, caused by flash I assume.

Right now I'm very much considering installing Lion again, as I feel using this Mac is quite frustrating. I don't understand why Mail needs to use 20-50% cpu just because I'm looking at the window.

Anyone else running ML on a 11" C2D Air with any experiences?
 
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