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willmtaylor

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Oct 31, 2009
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Why would anybody believe anything Google, Facebook, or any other advertising company says? They are purely there to reel consumers in again and again with their lies and deceit. They know they get away with it because human nature is generally trusting but Google is no better than a greasy second hand car salesman. You should assume they are lying to you at all times because they are.
Yeah, I have no idea. They’re all ad men. Ad men have 1 job and 1 job alone: sell. To Google and Facebook, we are the commodity not the customer.
 

dogslobber

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Oct 19, 2014
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They offer granular controls over what they collect, keep and aggregate about you. It’s just a pain to keep checking that your settings didn’t get redone by some app permissions you granted. I have not noticed the effect of their tracking on the advertising I see, but I employ ad blockers.
This is entirely what's wrong with internet ad companies like Google. It's no different from how the NRA peddle their lies about guns. There shouldn't be any need for such silly controls. Legislate it to be illegal for these creepy companies to spy on you and catalog all your information so you don't need to set controls. They shouldn't be legally allowed to store any such info on you as there is no need for such rampant, creepy stalking of people.
 

762999

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Nov 9, 2012
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So apparently Google is collecting data on children under 13 through YouTube.

From what I'm seeing, parents put tablets &s phone in kids reach around the age of 2+.

With an Android device:
- they know you're position (even when location is DISABLED)
- most people is doing search with Google
- if you use chrome, they get the site you browse to
- if you use an alternate browser they can still know the sites you visit from their DNS hits
- if you use Google home, they know what time you go to bed and more.
- they have all your text messages (which you also share with facebook if you put your phone number)
- they have all your pictures (with exif tags that store your geolocation), which you also share with Facebook, Instagram and more as soon as you install their apps.

I'm barely scratching the surface.
 
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5105973

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This is entirely what's wrong with internet ad companies like Google. It's no different from how the NRA peddle their lies about guns. There shouldn't be any need for such silly controls. Legislate it to be illegal for these creepy companies to spy on you and catalog all your information so you don't need to set controls. They shouldn't be legally allowed to store any such info on you as there is no need for such rampant, creepy stalking of people.
Well they use the data to make their algorithms work better. Some of it is anonymized when used that way. It’s not all about marketing per se. They give you these controls so you can see what’s being collected and in most cases stop more from being collected and delete what was collected. You can’t really say you aren’t ever told. They don’t make any mystery about what they get or what they do with it. It’s all spelled out and often. You’ll just go cross eyed and crazy reading it all. But I have and continue to do so.

Apple collects all of our search queries and commands to Siri, too, to make their algorithms better, but we don’t have direct access to any of what is collected or the option, necessarily, to stop it or delete it. But I think they jump through extra hoops to anonymize the data when they go to use it. It’s been awhile since I read about the differences but basically they start with collecting similar types of data and both entities store it, but from there, there is a difference on how you personally are tied to the data that’s collected and what you or someone possessing your account log in info can directly access.

If I wanted to, because I know my husband’s passwords, I can just go into his account and study everything he says to Google and everywhere he’s been when he permitted location services to be turned on in his Google apps. I can see anything he’s watched on YouTube assuming he hasn’t turned the tracking and recording for that off. I forget what other things about his life I could stalk just from knowing his ID and password. And because I live with him and have access to any of his other devices, even with two factor authentication turned on, I could do all that.

A lot of people don’t use two factor on Google

I also know his Apple ID and password. But I can’t use that to know what he searches for if he doesn’t use a search engine I can get into and has cleared his browser history. I can’t use that info to know what he’s asking Siri. I don’t think I can track his location outside of the location data he allowed me to have in the first place via Find my Friends. I would imagine a much more computer savvy person or hacker could, but as the significant other with average skills, nah, I can’t.

Now, I do not ever get into his accounts at all. I don’t even open his desk drawers or nightstand drawer. I’m a huge believer in personal space and privacy. I can, in the case of emergency, but I’m not the kind of person who gets into my spouse’s business on a whim. Fortunately, he isn’t the kind of person who gets into any monkey business for me to even be suspicious and tempted to get into his business.

But if you’re in a rocky relationship with someone who has control freak or boundary issues, these differences are something to keep in mind if you’re thinking about sharing passwords.

I hope this post made sense. I got about three hours of very choppy sleep.
 

Tech198

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Since its all based on a ID (tired to someone or device) should it matter *that* much?

Its not like u gave personal information, or Apple is tracking the device that matched the device you just registered for AppleCare, or something.

Google has been tracking or ever, after aquireing "Double click", even before then, so its built quite a lot of selling personal info in exchange for adverting..

After all, if we were in that business, wouldn't you want that gold?...
 

kdarling

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So apparently Google is collecting data on children under 13 through YouTube.

Oh good grief. GOOGLE IS NOT KNOWINGLY COLLECTING DATA ON CHILDREN.

The complaint is about what happens when children pretend being over 13 and go on YouTube main. Guess what, if you pretend to be an adult on the internet, then that's your doing, not a website's.

The alternative would be that ALL of us would have to enter some kind of validated adult id to use every website on the planet. You wanna talk about privacy intrusion?

I trust Apple with my info because there is no incentive for Apple. Privacy is a major stance of their platform and there has been no evidence to show otherwise.

Apple has and still does sell anonymous ad slots using data they collected on us. Here's some of their available targeting:

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Not to mention Apple has made over a billion dollars each year by selling their primary search position to Google. In other words, every iPhone owner is a product being sold by Apple. Cook likes to distract you from this by talking about others instead.
 
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