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boss.king

macrumors 603
Apr 8, 2009
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If you actually bother to do a little research instead of believing the official story all the time, you'll find out.

Ask anyone about MS "saving" Apple and they'll go on and on. Ask them about who San Francisco Canyon Co. is, and you'll likely get a blank stare.

I've reproduced a lot of what went on in earlier posts. Have a look for yourself.

Research is always good. What you do however cannot really be called research. I've read many of your posts with linked articles where much of what you take is out of context or simply invented by your own imagination. I'm all for reading between the lines, but not when you're reading between lines that you've added in yourself.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Original poster
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
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Canada

ChazUK

macrumors 603
Feb 3, 2008
5,393
25
Essex (UK)
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 4.0.3; en-gb; GT-I9100 Build/IML74K) AppleWebKit/535.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) CrMo/16.0.912.77 Mobile Safari/535.7)

With regards to the desktop experience, as I said in that thread you linked to its added nothing for me. It does seem scary that MS are going to try to fundamentally change some aspects of the Windows desktop UI for the sake of pushing Metro.

What I've seen with the pre release ARM tablets looks really good on the other hand with some great use of gestures.

Windows 8 will have to cone out with something really special to replace Windows 7 on my desktop.

Edit: those were great reads LTD, thank you!
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
8,784
215
UK
I find it a trifle unfair to claim a OS that has only just been released as a beta to the public as "bombing." As confusing as Windows 8 is at the mo, I like some of the changes and find others just baffling. I'm more than sure it will be straightened out and made to be consistent one way or another. I seem to recall techy computer users screaming with despair when Microsoft first began making GUI's for their OSs. This is just another example of that, the power users won't like the change until it matures to be something just as powerful as they had before.

Apple are adding mobile features on top of a fully featured OS, providing an inconsistent feeling OS. Microsoft are redesigning their GUI from the ground up whilst adding the mobile features, hopefully providing a OS that works out good on both tablets and computers, but with a past of programs that are not going to work on a tablet and a future of programs that will feel stupid on a computer. Both Apple's or Microsoft's routes have flaws, it all depends on your priority. I think Apple has ruined OS X, but will have the better mobile OS out of the two.

For them who don't like it, it isn't as if Windows 7 is going to run out of support anytime soon. It isn't as if Microsoft has Apple's half arsed attitude in supporting older OSs.
 

thejadedmonkey

macrumors G3
May 28, 2005
9,234
3,483
Pennsylvania
FYI, this thread is from Oct 2011. 5 months old. I don't know why *LTD* resurrected it. If anyone should understand the rules of letting threads die, I would think it would be an upstanding forum member like *LTD*.
 

Heilage

macrumors 68030
May 1, 2009
2,592
0
Microsoft ignores users - bombing/"zuning it"
Apple ignores users - innovation

Fun!
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Original poster
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
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Canada
With Metro, and this whole jumbled, confused and misguided Windows 8 paradigm, MS has shown very clearly and beyond any doubt, that the future of personal computing belongs to their leaner, meaner, and definitely faster competitors, like Apple. MS has handed it to them on a silver platter.

It's not because they don't have any talent. It isn't because they don't have resources. It isn't because they don't have any contact with the outside world.

It's because a CLOWN has been running the circus there for over 10 years.
 

neiltc13

macrumors 68040
May 27, 2006
3,128
28
With Metro, and this whole jumbled, confused and misguided Windows 8 paradigm, MS has shown very clearly and beyond any doubt, that the future of personal computing belongs to their leaner, meaner, and definitely faster competitors, like Apple. MS has handed it to them on a silver platter.

It's not because they don't have any talent. It isn't because they don't have resources. It isn't because they don't have any contact with the outside world.

It's because a CLOWN has been running the circus there for over 10 years.

Can you just create a thread called "I hate Steve Ballmer" and keep it all in there please?
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
8,784
215
UK
With Metro, and this whole jumbled, confused and misguided Windows 8 paradigm, MS has shown very clearly and beyond any doubt, that the future of personal computing belongs to their leaner, meaner, and definitely faster competitors, like Apple. MS has handed it to them on a silver platter.

It's not because they don't have any talent. It isn't because they don't have resources. It isn't because they don't have any contact with the outside world.

It's because a CLOWN has been running the circus there for over 10 years.

Despite thinking it impossible, you have yet again learned nothing from your time-out.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Original poster
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
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Canada
Can you just create a thread called "I hate Steve Ballmer" and keep it all in there please?

We should ALL create a thread like that. Because YOUR money given to MS, equals your overt or tacit acceptance of where they are today.

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Despite thinking it impossible, you have yet again learned nothing from your time-out.

Who says it was ever justified? Let's determine THAT before we talk about me "learning" things from the uninformed and confused.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
10,136
4
With Metro, and this whole jumbled, confused and misguided Windows 8 paradigm, MS has shown very clearly and beyond any doubt, that the future of personal computing belongs to their leaner, meaner, and definitely faster competitors, like Apple. MS has handed it to them on a silver platter.

It's not because they don't have any talent. It isn't because they don't have resources. It isn't because they don't have any contact with the outside world.

It's because a CLOWN has been running the circus there for over 10 years.

I am going to point out people hated the Ribbon when it was first added to office but once people get over the learning curve they find that the Ribbon is really a hell of a lot nicer than the very deep menu office had become with all the stuff that has been added to it over the years.

What I see in those two links you posted was people complaining because it is different than what they are used to.
 

SkyBell

macrumors 604
Sep 7, 2006
6,606
226
Texas, unfortunately.
With Metro, and this whole jumbled, confused and misguided Windows 8 paradigm, MS has shown very clearly and beyond any doubt, that the future of personal computing belongs to their leaner, meaner, and definitely faster competitors, like Apple. MS has handed it to them on a silver platter.

It's not because they don't have any talent. It isn't because they don't have resources. It isn't because they don't have any contact with the outside world.

It's because a CLOWN has been running the circus there for over 10 years.

Holy crap, that has to be the nicest thing I've ever seen you post about them, and - I seriously can't believe I'm saying this - I gotta agree on that last part. Microsoft has good aspects, good resources and the like, they just don't seem to know how to use them all of the time. They've made some horrible crap, but sometimes they strike it near-gold. I honestly think their problem is trying to move in a new direction, while still keeping their old products around. It just doesn't work both ways.
 

DingleButt

macrumors regular
Dec 14, 2011
124
0
Holy crap, that has to be the nicest thing I've ever seen you post about them, and - I seriously can't believe I'm saying this - I gotta agree on that last part. Microsoft has good aspects, good resources and the like, they just don't seem to know how to use them all of the time. They've made some horrible crap, but sometimes they strike it near-gold. I honestly think their problem is trying to move in a new direction, while still keeping their old products around. It just doesn't work both ways.

They have a balancing act to perform and at the moment they are leaning towards the future and it upsets the geeks.

There are some things I would change about Windows 8 if I had the resources, but the Metro UI isnt one of them. The Metro App Previews need a lot of work though.

It mostly has to do with having some things in the Metro part and some in the desktop part. The good part is the people who dont want to get into the aspects that have the dual parts wont bother and dont have to.

With a simple tutorial on the first start-up showing how corners work, Windows 8 becomes pretty simple.

Ive been using it as my daily driver since release and the only time I need to go back to 7 is when I need to work in Solidworks or MATLAB which I havent installed on Win8
 

Lynn Belvedere

macrumors regular
Mar 13, 2012
237
0
I love Windows 7. It is a terrific OS, point blank. Windows 8, on the other hand, looks like pure garbage for desktops. It's one of several reasons why I'll be switching to apple for my next computer purchase. I like the direction OSX is going, whereas windows just jumped over a cliff with 8.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
73,682
43,740
I love Windows 7. It is a terrific OS, point blank. Windows 8, on the other hand, looks like pure garbage for desktops. It's one of several reasons why I'll be switching to apple for my next computer purchase. I like the direction OSX is going, whereas windows just jumped over a cliff with 8.

I agree with you on your points. Win 7 is the pinnacle of window's development. Windows 8 however is a significant degrade, I've toyed with the consumer preview and every time I use it. I'm left scratching my head why MS is doing this. I can see some of the decisions make sense on a tablet but you don't need one code base for two different platforms.

As for OSX, I'm not all that pleased with its direction (embracing more iOS type features) but generally speaking it has not impacted how I like to work significantly. Windows 8 does alter how I do my job and not in a positive way.
 

buckers

macrumors 6502
Aug 18, 2010
293
0
Anglesey, UK
Whenever I Google search for the latest stuff on Windows 8, there are so many links to articles claiming Windows 8 will be a revolution, mixed in with probably just as many articles claiming Windows 8 will be a disaster. For someone to say Windows 8 will fail should only be taken as an opinion. They'll cite surveys and highlight certain features and how things work, but that doesn't change the fact it's just opinion. Remember that people use computers in different ways to do different things. Loads of people picked on Windows Vista but [compatibility issues aside] the reviews were actually pretty good (http://reviews.cnet.com/windows/windows-vista-ultimate/4505-3672_7-32013603.html).

There is a lot of different opinions on how the finished Windows 8 will be received, but who can say for certain this early on? There's a lot of work to be done (one can hope) and the reason Microsoft has put out the Consumer Preview is to get an idea of what people like and what people don't. Most native apps in the Consumer Preview have feedback buttons where you can report bugs and tell Microsoft things you do and don't like.

To be honest, I quite like Windows 8 and its new direction. It's clear to me that there are a lot of kinks, but in such a radical departure from past desktop OS UI styles there's bound to be some mis-steps this early on. One hopes they can use our feedback to come out with something that's as polished and intuitive as possible. I welcome tablet/smartphone features on the computer, like live tiles and push notifications and slick apps.

But that's MY opinion. And you are entitled to yours. And for the record, it's not as if Windows 7 (which I also like) will be going anywhere soon.
 

tkermit

macrumors 68040
Feb 20, 2004
3,586
2,921
I welcome tablet/smartphone features on the computer, like live tiles and push notifications and slick apps.

Microsoft isn't just putting tablet/smartphone features into Windows 8, they're putting a whole tablet OS into it (and making it the default interface). It would be like OS X booting into the iOS dashboard with all the iOS (Cocoa touch) fullscreen apps and iOS configuration options , and one app called 'OS X desktop', where you are allowed to run your 'legacy' Cocoa apps (that you are supposed to move away from). Oh, and the App Store would only offer Cocoa touch apps running fullscreen. Sounds great, huh? :cool:
 

wpotere

Guest
Oct 7, 2010
1,528
1
As for OSX, I'm not all that pleased with its direction (embracing more iOS type features) but generally speaking it has not impacted how I like to work significantly. Windows 8 does alter how I do my job and not in a positive way.

I seem to remember a lot of people saying this when the "start" button was introduced.

Give it time and what was released is not final.:rolleyes:
 

buckers

macrumors 6502
Aug 18, 2010
293
0
Anglesey, UK
It would be like OS X booting into the iOS dashboard with all the iOS (Cocoa touch) fullscreen apps and iOS configuration options , and one app called 'OS X desktop', where you are allowed to run your 'legacy' Cocoa apps

I agree that Apple's approach is more elegant! Curious to see how both turn out!
 

jsolares

macrumors 6502a
Aug 8, 2011
844
3
Land of eternal Spring
Microsoft isn't just putting tablet/smartphone features into Windows 8, they're putting a whole tablet OS into it (and making it the default interface). It would be like OS X booting into the iOS dashboard with all the iOS (Cocoa touch) fullscreen apps and iOS configuration options , and one app called 'OS X desktop', where you are allowed to run your 'legacy' Cocoa apps (that you are supposed to move away from). Oh, and the App Store would only offer Cocoa touch apps running fullscreen. Sounds great, huh? :cool:

Don't give them any ideas, next thing Launchpad will be the default screen OSX boots into :S
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
73,682
43,740
I seem to remember a lot of people saying this when the "start" button was introduced.
The Start button is not the best implementation either but it has some added benefit that the metro ui does not. That is its not ideal but it works ok, Metro is even worse though.

Give it time and what was released is not final.:rolleyes:
My only hope is that MS acquiesces.
 
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