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10.2.8 In SWU (Again)
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screwed
OK, I've learnt a lesson...
I installed the first 10.2.8, and had no problems with it except for a slightly lower battery life reported.
Thinking the revised 10.2.8 might fix this, I installed that through software update - and my system has been completely screwed. Internet access (wireless - I haven't tried direct ethernet connection) has been cut off - hence I'm writing this on my girlfriend's pc. System preferences crashes on accessing energy saver, and will not save changes to network preferences. Various icons do not appear in the top-right, such as wireless signal strength and battery life.
I don't have any cdroms since 10.0.3 - aaaargh!!
OK, I've learnt a lesson...
I installed the first 10.2.8, and had no problems with it except for a slightly lower battery life reported.
Thinking the revised 10.2.8 might fix this, I installed that through software update - and my system has been completely screwed. Internet access (wireless - I haven't tried direct ethernet connection) has been cut off - hence I'm writing this on my girlfriend's pc. System preferences crashes on accessing energy saver, and will not save changes to network preferences. Various icons do not appear in the top-right, such as wireless signal strength and battery life.
I don't have any cdroms since 10.0.3 - aaaargh!!
Re: screwed
Uhh, the lesson being that if you install a copy of an OS that you "found in the woods" you're on your own when things go bad? However, if your computer came with 10.2 preinstalled, then you should be able to reinstall from the CDs that came with it.
Uhh, the lesson being that if you install a copy of an OS that you "found in the woods" you're on your own when things go bad? However, if your computer came with 10.2 preinstalled, then you should be able to reinstall from the CDs that came with it.
I've gotta hand it to 'em...
Apple has released the best update ever with this revised 10.2.8, from what I've experienced using my Pismo. The genie window functions are the most fluid I've ever seen and speaking of fluid, when you right-click on a menu and scroll down, you no longer have "get stuck" for five seconds while dragging down through the list of items. It's great!
The iTunes' popping sound is gone; this only occurred when I was doing something in another one of the iApps. Must be something that they streamlined in the system framework.
Makes me want Panther here even sooner than it actually is going to debut.
Apple has released the best update ever with this revised 10.2.8, from what I've experienced using my Pismo. The genie window functions are the most fluid I've ever seen and speaking of fluid, when you right-click on a menu and scroll down, you no longer have "get stuck" for five seconds while dragging down through the list of items. It's great!
The iTunes' popping sound is gone; this only occurred when I was doing something in another one of the iApps. Must be something that they streamlined in the system framework.
Makes me want Panther here even sooner than it actually is going to debut.
IMO, all this discussion about battery "life" is just FUD. The first release of 10.2.8 did change the battery status time remaining estimate but that's not the same as the actual runtime. In any case, you'll never get exactly the same battery runtime even on back-to-back tests, there will always be some variation.
True, the original 10.2.8 release may have underestimated the battery runtime, but in my hands the newest version often overestimates runtime. Like reporting 8 hours on my PowerBook DVI immediately after I boot (which then settles to just over 3 hours, although I typically get about 2 hours). Also, the latest battery status monitor seems to have a problem when the system is running on A/C, it often reports "Calculating..." when you are running on A/C while the recalled 10.2.8 would switch immediately to "Plugged In." The former (incorrect) behavior was pretty much the way 10.2.6 behaved and I suspect that all the latest release did is go back to the "old" 10.2.6 code. So, I believe that there has been no change in actual battery life and in any case all of the runtime estimates are to be taken with a great deal of skepticism.
True, the original 10.2.8 release may have underestimated the battery runtime, but in my hands the newest version often overestimates runtime. Like reporting 8 hours on my PowerBook DVI immediately after I boot (which then settles to just over 3 hours, although I typically get about 2 hours). Also, the latest battery status monitor seems to have a problem when the system is running on A/C, it often reports "Calculating..." when you are running on A/C while the recalled 10.2.8 would switch immediately to "Plugged In." The former (incorrect) behavior was pretty much the way 10.2.6 behaved and I suspect that all the latest release did is go back to the "old" 10.2.6 code. So, I believe that there has been no change in actual battery life and in any case all of the runtime estimates are to be taken with a great deal of skepticism.
emac and 10.2.8
I upgraded my 1 gig emac to 10.2.8 and it seems to be working fine, haven't noticed a speed increase but haven't used much other than safari, aol may be a little faster though.
any other emac users? peace
daniel
I upgraded my 1 gig emac to 10.2.8 and it seems to be working fine, haven't noticed a speed increase but haven't used much other than safari, aol may be a little faster though.
any other emac users? peace
daniel
Re: clock speed thing
I don't <think> the mis-reporting is a reflection of actual disk speed, nor is it an X-Bench problem. I think maybe apple has just simply screwed up the reporting of the gestalt value 'pclk' which reports the clock speed of the machine. (tho apple system profiler does report the correct speed, so it must use a different method) It doesn't appear to affect all machines, though--my girlfriend's ibook is fine. i hope this gets sorted out as some software relies on gestalt values to correctly identify your machine (i.e. installers, copy protection, XBench, etc.)
I don't <think> the mis-reporting is a reflection of actual disk speed, nor is it an X-Bench problem. I think maybe apple has just simply screwed up the reporting of the gestalt value 'pclk' which reports the clock speed of the machine. (tho apple system profiler does report the correct speed, so it must use a different method) It doesn't appear to affect all machines, though--my girlfriend's ibook is fine. i hope this gets sorted out as some software relies on gestalt values to correctly identify your machine (i.e. installers, copy protection, XBench, etc.)
Boot Speeds
Is there anywhere where you can find out how long it took you to boot, or do I have to time it myself?
As for battery life... I didn't do any calibration for the good 10.2.8, but when it told me that I had 10 hours left, I said "What if this really was true?"8
Still, I'm happy, but 10.2.3 had battery troubles as well. Hmm...
10.2.3-Battery Troubles (PB Shipped with this update)
10.2.6-Fixed
10.2.8-Troubles
10.2.8.1-Fixed
There's my pattern of updates. Does this mean 10.2.9 will have more troubles as well?
Is there anywhere where you can find out how long it took you to boot, or do I have to time it myself?
As for battery life... I didn't do any calibration for the good 10.2.8, but when it told me that I had 10 hours left, I said "What if this really was true?"8
Still, I'm happy, but 10.2.3 had battery troubles as well. Hmm...
10.2.3-Battery Troubles (PB Shipped with this update)
10.2.6-Fixed
10.2.8-Troubles
10.2.8.1-Fixed
There's my pattern of updates. Does this mean 10.2.9 will have more troubles as well?
As the system begins to boot and initializes devices and memory, it can't yet access the disk to write, say, a log file, and I don't know of any RAM-based record of the starting time. So I think you have to time booting yourself.
problems...
well, after updating the dock dissapiered..wtf..i repaired permisions...nothing..i never had any problems with installers on my dual giga...the dock just isn't there..does that have anything to do with transparent dock 2.0...
And minimaze in place also stopped working...
what to do?
well, after updating the dock dissapiered..wtf..i repaired permisions...nothing..i never had any problems with installers on my dual giga...the dock just isn't there..does that have anything to do with transparent dock 2.0...
And minimaze in place also stopped working...
what to do?
I upgraded straight from 10.2.7.
When you plug in, it says "Calculating" because it's calculating how long it will take for the battery to recharge.
I think the new battery estimates are accurate. If you want, I will test them.
Re: Re: clock speed thing
Why would it use a different method?
It makes far more sense that XBench detects the actual frequency the processor's running at, and consequently, sometimes picks up a slewed frequency.
Why would it use a different method?
It makes far more sense that XBench detects the actual frequency the processor's running at, and consequently, sometimes picks up a slewed frequency.
<edit> In any case, under the latest version of 10.2.8 I often see the "Calculating..." status for very long periods of time. It seems to get stuck on this status message.
No need for that, everyone will get different results and accurate battery testing is actually pretty difficult to perform.
In my original post I mentioned the FUD factor (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). I think a better acronym would be PUD (Placebo, Uncertainty, and Doubt). The 10.2.8 issues that I'd attribute mainly to PUD are: faster/slower graphics and GUI (no obvious difference on my system), faster boot time (I measured it on my PowerBook, four trials on each OS, there was no statistically significant difference), shorter/longer battery runtime (not the same problem as the estimated battery runtime provided by the battery status indicator which had changed between 10.2.8 and 10.2.8 rev 2). IMO, anyway.
Finally, I'm running the new 10.2.8 (6R73) release on my PowerBook DVI and the battery status says I have 4:47 remaining time left. It's been indicating well over four hours for the last 5 to 10 minutes and I know from many previous trials that I'll only get a little over two hours given my current working conditions. So, I'd say that the latest release of the battery status is greatly overestimating battery life. Okay, now it's up to over 5 hours, pure rubbish! I guess I'll try to "calibrate" my battery, but these estimates are only that (rough estimates), so I go by past experience and a wall clock more than the battery status indicator (i.e. my battery is nearly fully charged, it is now 6:30PM and I know from experience that I'll get a little over 2 hours of runtime, so I'm good until at least 8:30). There is no way it's going to last another 5 hours.
Re: clock speed thing
That's not what's happening here. I'm working on a piece of software that relies on the gesfalt 'pclk' to identify a machine and it reports the wrong value under 10.28. simple. i then noticed that folks with tibooks on the xbench forum were reporting similar miscalculations--so I ran xbench in 10.28 and it also reports 667mhz on a 1ghz machine. i have no idea why apple system profiler reports the proper speed other than to say that it obviously doesn't use that gesfalt value to report clock speed. I've gone back to 10.26 now and the proper speed is reported. It's just a stored value that is being reported incorrectly in 10.28, but it will cause problems. So far, I've only read reports of this from powerbook users.
That's not what's happening here. I'm working on a piece of software that relies on the gesfalt 'pclk' to identify a machine and it reports the wrong value under 10.28. simple. i then noticed that folks with tibooks on the xbench forum were reporting similar miscalculations--so I ran xbench in 10.28 and it also reports 667mhz on a 1ghz machine. i have no idea why apple system profiler reports the proper speed other than to say that it obviously doesn't use that gesfalt value to report clock speed. I've gone back to 10.26 now and the proper speed is reported. It's just a stored value that is being reported incorrectly in 10.28, but it will cause problems. So far, I've only read reports of this from powerbook users.
One poster mentioned that window resizing Finder windows got a major speed bump. I checked that out and saw that yea, it was faster, but the extra speed also gave me drawing errors! While resizing, I experience the scroll bars not being erased properly.
I took two screenshots while testing this out, to see if I could capture it! Turns out I captured lots more! (FYI, this is not what I saw, the window was always fully visible, but the scroll bars were staying where they shouldn't.. the screenshots show that something fishy was going on and Grab was simply not able to figure it out)
Btw, I did try this a lot with Safari, and found that I could not reproduce it.. Finder only.
http://achkara.ath.cx:82/os x/drawingIssue10.2.8 1.jpg
http://achkara.ath.cx:82/os x/drawingIssue10.2.8 2.jpg
I took two screenshots while testing this out, to see if I could capture it! Turns out I captured lots more! (FYI, this is not what I saw, the window was always fully visible, but the scroll bars were staying where they shouldn't.. the screenshots show that something fishy was going on and Grab was simply not able to figure it out)
Btw, I did try this a lot with Safari, and found that I could not reproduce it.. Finder only.
http://achkara.ath.cx:82/os x/drawingIssue10.2.8 1.jpg
http://achkara.ath.cx:82/os x/drawingIssue10.2.8 2.jpg
I have not encountered that.
I think you're just being a jerk. Just because you're not getting any improvements doesn't mean no one else is.
Run it for awhile without recharging to see. Either that, or just shut up and stop being such a jerk.
Maybe the gestalt 'pclk' detects the actual frequency when and if the processor is slewed while the System Profiler detects the gestalt ID for what model you have, and from that, knows what your rated processor speed is.
Re: screwed
download and install the 10.2.8 combo updater, it fixed the weirdness after I ran the software update panel 10.2.8 last night. The combo updaters always seem better. Don't forget to repair your permissions before/after.
download and install the 10.2.8 combo updater, it fixed the weirdness after I ran the software update panel 10.2.8 last night. The combo updaters always seem better. Don't forget to repair your permissions before/after.
Everything went fine using the software update on my 500mhz Pismo. Xbench showed both performance increases to Quartz Graphics & OpenGL tests. In the OpenGL test, FPS went from 40fps (10.2.6) to 46fps (10.2.8). Thats about a 15% improvement. Not bad considering it's an older Rage 128 mobilty. Hopefully Panther will provide further performance optimization.
IMAGINE NO DOCK...
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa PEOPLE...i need some help!!!
Originally posted by airmac
well, after updating the dock dissapiered..wtf..i repaired permisions...nothing..i never had any problems with installers on my dual giga...the dock just isn't there..does that have anything to do with transparent dock 2.0...
And minimaze in place also stopped working...
what to do?
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa PEOPLE...i need some help!!!
I'm surprised no one mentioned this...
I went through every post in this thread (for the first time) and no one has mentioned that
There are THREE versions of 10.2.8 (for non-G5 machines):
10.2.8 (Build 6R65): The one that caused networking problems
10.2.8 (Build 6R73) (600KB): The one that "improved" battery status, and
10.2.8 (Build 6R73) (40MB): Off Apple's site.
(And then there are the G5 versions...)
After I downloaded the 40MB update off the site for my Cube I double-clicked on the .dmg file, which normally mounts a disk image. But nothing mounted. Nothing appeared on the desktop. The Disk Copy app opened up and showed a progress bar, but after it closed, nothing mounted.
Somebody help me out here: Why is specifically Apple's 40MB version of 10.2.8 (6R73) not even opening up?
I didn't yet install the 600KB update from the Software Update control panel, which I despise.
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Running the old 10.2.8 on a G4 Cube
I went through every post in this thread (for the first time) and no one has mentioned that
There are THREE versions of 10.2.8 (for non-G5 machines):
10.2.8 (Build 6R65): The one that caused networking problems
10.2.8 (Build 6R73) (600KB): The one that "improved" battery status, and
10.2.8 (Build 6R73) (40MB): Off Apple's site.
(And then there are the G5 versions...)
After I downloaded the 40MB update off the site for my Cube I double-clicked on the .dmg file, which normally mounts a disk image. But nothing mounted. Nothing appeared on the desktop. The Disk Copy app opened up and showed a progress bar, but after it closed, nothing mounted.
Somebody help me out here: Why is specifically Apple's 40MB version of 10.2.8 (6R73) not even opening up?
I didn't yet install the 600KB update from the Software Update control panel, which I despise.
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Running the old 10.2.8 on a G4 Cube