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Should continued work on 10.6.8 PowerPC and Xcode 3.2.X have its own dedicated thread?

  • Yes - I would like to be able to follow and/or contribute to a Developer Preview thread specifically

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  • Indifferent - I don't care either way i just appreciate the work that's being done

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Hi Gregg!

Thanks for the video. Hope you’re having fun with your PowerPC Challenge?

Can you confirm which .dmg restore image you’re using please? There are two but only one should be used for general users, the other was created for test purposes exclusively for @barracuda156 using 10A190 frameworks. The correct image supports all GPUs that are supported by 10.5.8 as it borrows the same frameworks.

Thanks so much for the feedback. Hopefully more people will jump on board to test after learning about the project and make us aware of any other bugs that need squashing.

Keep an eye out for a new image coming soon that @educovas is putting together that will include @barracuda156’s findings regarding internet access (using UTDNS to redirect from DNS to TCP) as a workaround to provide working network access until a more permanent fix is found.
Yeah I'm using the first image from the Macintosh Garden archive. Was not aware of more than one image... I'll have to look around. this project takes me back to my jailbreak tweak days lol. Now I'm gonna have to learn xcode again
 
Are there any new bugs I don't know? It would be very helpful not just for me to try to fix them but also for the people testing the OS if we had a list with the known bugs in the first post.

Ah, I have one small and silly, but rather annoying issue: sometimes opening About this Mac window takes unreasonably long, which seems to be somehow connected with running browser. I.e., if I am switched to a browser and try open About this Mac, it is very slow, but from Finder it is normal. Also often opening Finder dialogs from within the browser can be slow, as well as rendering previews in those dialogs. This seems specific to usage of a browser, but the same browser did not exhibit such behavior on 10a190.
(Of course, this may not be a 10.6.8 bug, but some incompatibility issue, since all browsers we have currently are built for 10.4 SDK.)
 
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P. S. Also, pasting text into a browser does not work (both from keyboard and via menu). Copying works normally, pasting works everywhere besides the browser.
 
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Ah, I have one small and silly, but rather annoying issue: sometimes opening About this Mac window takes unreasonably long, which seems to be somehow connected with running browser. I.e., if I am switched to a browser and try open About this Mac, it is very slow, but from Finder it is normal. Also often opening Finder dialogs from within the browser can be slow, as well as rendering previews in those dialogs. This seems specific to usage of a browser, but the same browser did not exhibit such behavior on 10a190.
(Of course, this may not be a 10.6.8 bug, but some incompatibility issue, since all browsers we have currently are built for 10.4 SDK.)
I don't know anything about the browser/about this Mac problem but the Finder preview is also a side effect of using Finder from 10.5.8, tried to improve but that was the best I could get. I'm sure someone with better skills would be able to fix these Finder problems but I certainly can't lol

By the way, tiff2icns from 10.5.8 seems to work fine so I'll replace it in the next image. Already fixed a problem with the text cursor and will rebuild the wrappers with the correct version soon.

file sharing and NTP seems to be working correctly but apparently still having network problems, I don't tink utdns works for them.

P. S. Also, pasting text into a browser does not work (both from keyboard and via menu). Copying works normally, pasting works everywhere besides the browser.
since it only happens in a browser, it might not be a problem with the OS then.
 
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Changes in the new image:

- utdns already included and using google's DNS 8.8.8.8
- tiff2icns replaced with the one from 10.5.8
- fixed Core Text's cursor
- graphics acceleration wrappers have been rebuilt with the correct version

In order to get internet connection, the IP address, subnet mask and router have to be manually inserter since DHCP is still broken. The DNS server has to be set to 127.0.0.1.

Just to remind again: this image should work with all GPUs that were supported in 10.5.8, including Nvidia. To avoid confusion again, I won't be updating the image I built for @barracuda156.

10.6.8 image: https://mega.nz/file/AApSABha#W83ywkVUXAeemZGjz4Prdzy0_yBsLuVG8rWjvqAc98M
 
I would actually be very helpful to have it updated as well. It can be marked as a -devel version, for example, so that no one installs it by accident.
Maybe in the future. There's no reason for a new image just to replace tiff2icns and to include a Launch Daemon for utdns since the other fixes are not necessary for the OpenGL from 10A190.
 
I would actually be very helpful to have it updated as well. It can be marked as a -devel version, for example, so that no one installs it by accident.

Maybe in the future. There's no reason for a new image just to replace tiff2icns and to include a Launch Daemon for utdns since the other fixes are not necessary for the OpenGL from 10A190.

@barracuda156 should be able to manually update the image already provided with any further fixes etc if they are included in an archive. File size will be smaller also. We should probably move to packaged delta updates after the Core System is finished anyway to allow for easier updates for testing users. Alternatively ‘devel’ versions can be PM’d and not shared publicly to avoid confusion.

Wikipost has been updated to reflect changes.

I’m working on a tool to identify architectures of batch files at the moment based on some Apple Sample Code. Bought a number of new ADC DVDs to add to my collection. Will sort through relevant tools and reference documentation etc and upload when available.

Still compiling Apple Open Source in the background, as usual. Once i’ve tested everything i’ll share as either an image or package installer depending on the size. Any relevant tweaks needed will be shared in a table when done (Build folder alone is over 20GB now).
 
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Maybe in the future. There's no reason for a new image just to replace tiff2icns and to include a Launch Daemon for utdns since the other fixes are not necessary for the OpenGL from 10A190.

Fair enough, it is indeed not worth for a daemon and one binary.
 
Been keeping a keen eye on this thread. Great work. Excited to get Alpha 4 running on my machine!

EDIT: Just one thing I've noted that carried over to 10.6.8: NTFS USB drives can't be mounted but they can in Sorbet Leopard or 10.5.8. I think that's a curious bug personally because Snow Leopard and Leopard support NTFS already IIRC. FAT32 works fine.
 
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Been keeping a keen eye on this thread. Great work. Excited to get Alpha 4 running on my machine!

EDIT: Just one thing I've noted that carried over to 10.6.8: NTFS USB drives can't be mounted but they can in Sorbet Leopard or 10.5.8. I think that's a curious bug personally because Snow Leopard and Leopard support NTFS already IIRC. FAT32 works fine.
Not near a machine to check at the moment but I imagine some of the file system/NTFS components are still intel only and need to be rebuilt. Some of the filesystem components don’t build easily for PowerPC but will be patched and shared when available.
 
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ntfs.kext wasn't loading due to a missing copyright string. It should now work using the kext attached.

Unsure if this is enough to create a new image. If anyone thinks it's necessary, I'll do it.
I’m happy with a text file with instructions for the wiki or just a zipped file containing the kext. Not sure about anyone else but i’m sure people don’t want to have to keep wiping and reinstalling not to mention some people don’t have particularly fast internet connections, so patches are probably better in my opinion.
 
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A minor issue, possibly a bug: BBEdit / TextWrangler cannot modify files owned by root even after inputting root password. Instead, an error is delivered. However, this works fine both in 10a190 and 10.6.8 x86.

This is actually a big inconvenience for development, since every time a text file inside /opt or /usr has to be edited, one needs to run `chown` on a folder containing that file and then on file itself (or otherwise on folder recursively).

Any idea why this does not work as supposed?

TextWrangler is available on MacintoshGarder and is a free app (no serial needed). So this is easy to test.
 
A minor issue, possibly a bug: BBEdit / TextWrangler cannot modify files owned by root even after inputting root password. Instead, an error is delivered. However, this works fine both in 10a190 and 10.6.8 x86.

This is actually a big inconvenience for development, since every time a text file inside /opt or /usr has to be edited, one needs to run `chown` on a folder containing that file and then on file itself (or otherwise on folder recursively).

Any idea why this does not work as supposed?

TextWrangler is available on MacintoshGarder and is a free app (no serial needed). So this is easy to test.
Is this a separate user/groups bug to the one you mentioned before? If there are multiple issues with permissions and ownership we should investigate this, as that can cause all kinds of problems under the hood.
 
A minor issue, possibly a bug: BBEdit / TextWrangler cannot modify files owned by root even after inputting root password. Instead, an error is delivered. However, this works fine both in 10a190 and 10.6.8 x86.

This is actually a big inconvenience for development, since every time a text file inside /opt or /usr has to be edited, one needs to run `chown` on a folder containing that file and then on file itself (or otherwise on folder recursively).

Any idea why this does not work as supposed?

TextWrangler is available on MacintoshGarder and is a free app (no serial needed). So this is easy to test.
That's interesting. Never had problems editing system files with nano. I have no idea why that happens and I doubt I have enough skills to fix that.
 
Is this a separate user/groups bug to the one you mentioned before? If there are multiple issues with permissions and ownership we should investigate this, as that can cause all kinds of problems under the hood.

I don’t know.
Btw BBEdit / TW do not even install their CLI tools on 10.6.8 ppc (when asked to), despite not showing any errors. At least nothing gets installed into /usr/bin/local, and calling them from terminal does not work, unsurprisingly. (They do exist inside app bundle, but that is nowhere obvious for a regular user.)
So something is very likely wrong.
 
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