Just admit you are wrong. Not too hard, eh?
Ummm... he did not actually contradict himself. I suggest reading more carefully.
I'm a product manager, and we do introduce new models into declining market segments all the time.
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Ummm... he did not actually contradict himself. I suggest reading more carefully.
I'm a product manager, and we do introduce new models into declining market segments all the time.
Why change the design, its still very much up to date and beautiful as it is.
People are asking a tower like that for a long long long time, its not going to happen.
I would love to drop 4g's on one of these bad ass machines for a media server. Although apple should of never discontinued the xserve; one of those machines would looked bad ass.
The server version has 2 drives and a quad core i7, and can take 16Gb of ram (unofficially).
You would be wrong in your assessment then regarding the Mac Book Pro. This statement shows how little knowledge you have about computer hardware in general.
First, you can not run anything at all in a virtual machine because you must have native support for speed and other issues. This can be done on a Mac Pro using a dedicated separate hard drive like some of us now do, but never on something non native. Second, anything that is a laptop, iMac, etc. is an absolute joke as for being usable by any one that is a PRO user. While the Mac Pro can be a serviceable workstation, people like me need multiple computers that are part of a "render farm". We go WAY beyond what most people not in the 3D art, CAD or video field use and must have those types of systems. Third, most people I know in the field either have already left Apple or will be doing so due to them being more consumer based now. You can't invest thousands in software alone without knowing there is a very firm commitment to the platform for years to come. What Apple makes is fine for those that are not serious programmers, artists or designers which is the target market for them now.
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Precisely, I have held on for as long as I can and am nearing time to do some upgrades/updates of my 3D software. That will be a sizable commitment and one that is likely forcing Windows for my future needs. As you point out, graphics cards are VERY important for such things and you just can't get this from Apple now.
We have a few.
Even though it looks bad-ass, its a pain to set-up physically due to the deep body chassis.
But once its in, you never have to take out...hopefully
Now that card inside a new 16-Core Mac Pro might get me playing X-Plane 10 decently..
Maybe.
Don't know if its been posted already... but: http://translate.google.com/transla...inweis-auf-k%C3%BCnftige-Mac-Pro-Grafikkarten
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I did too. Should have 12 core 2.66 tomorrow but its going to be a bitchin machine so im not worried. New ones wont blow it away too much me thinks Plus i need it now
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Well of course the new MPs will be here shortly. I just purchased my mid-2010 MP. Typically, Apple releases the newer version a month after my purchase.
The same thing happened after two of my iMac purchases.
I did too. Should have 12 core 2.66 tomorrow but its going to be a bitchin machine so im not worried. New ones wont blow it away too much me thinks Plus i need it now
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I know mate, I did consider that but I prefer hot-swap, or at least easily removable, drives for data. That's the main thing that I dislike about the mini- access to the drives.
I know mate, I did consider that but I prefer hot-swap, or at least easily removable, drives for data. That's the main thing that I dislike about the mini- access to the drives.
Hmm interesting. So as it stands at the moment, it seems that Apple may stick with the AMD solution for 2012. I'd love for Apple to offer a more consumer level Mac Pro but that's not the kind of market that Apple are currently focused on.
I'm liking what AMD have been doing these past two years.
I'm liking what AMD have been doing these past two years.
That's irrelevant. The point that started your conversation was that it's not dead, not where on the priority list it was or will be. If it gets updates, it's not dead. That's it. End of story.
Not necessarily.
You could get by without the 2 optical drives easily. Most video and graphic assets won't even fit on a DVD drive anymore...all of our clients use portable HDs to transfer assets to us other then over the net. (I work at the largest Post facility on the East Coast). If you need to burn to Blu-Ray, then you're going to be using an external burner most likely anyway. So right there, 2 drive bays gone and about 5" of height. In terms of restore, or anything else, Lion moved to a USB restore.
In terms of the memory slots and cards, they can still design a small enclosure and still fit all of those things.
I bet the new Mac Pro comes in at around 12 inches in height and and tad slimmer and not as deep.
You never know. They know that the prosumer market is getting larger and that many of them want something more powerful then an iMac but don't need the whole monster of a MPro.
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In addition to the improvements people have mentioned (including SATA III), I'd love to see a MP update include SSD mounting hardware for every bay including the second optical bay (for two or more SSD in each bay).
I don't agree with that reasoning, even if Apple would prefer people use TB instead of USB we're at a point where it doesn't cost them any more to use 3 over 2 and they have to include USB anyway. Apple is just tweaking intel designs, if they include USB 3 support why take it out?
Seems to me that MP is more likely to be a BTO order for most users, and those users would be more likely to order online than drive to a store for a machine like that.
They could use the consumer chips for the 4/6 core machines but for 8/12 the xeons are the only option (and some people still need that much power). And on the low end the consumer chips used to be much cheaper but now the corresponding xeons and i7s are about the same price anyway (and ram is pretty close as well). Really right now the quad machine is just way way overpriced for no good reason.
I don't agree with that reasoning, even if Apple would prefer people use TB instead of USB we're at a point where it doesn't cost them any more to use 3 over 2 and they have to include USB anyway. Apple is just tweaking intel designs, if they include USB 3 support why take it out?
Seems to me that MP is more likely to be a BTO order for most users, and those users would be more likely to order online than drive to a store for a machine like that.
They could use the consumer chips for the 4/6 core machines but for 8/12 the xeons are the only option (and some people still need that much power). And on the low end the consumer chips used to be much cheaper but now the corresponding xeons and i7s are about the same price anyway (and ram is pretty close as well). Really right now the quad machine is just way way overpriced for no good reason.
Yes, I'm just saying.
A drive array of some sort is probably even better then a pro then. I'm lusting over getting a used Xserve raid with the promise fibre to TB converter. The fibre channel can be up to 100 meters (I think) so you could stick it in the garage and load it up with 14 2TB drives.
I would set it up in jbod configuration with a ZFS pool.
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True. The MP has been an odd product line for years - really the single and dual CPU models are completely different machines, they almost shouldn't be in the same product line. The quads are a dog and terrible value but the 8/12 core machines still blow away any i7 options if your software can use all the cores.
I'll say it for the nth time - apple should keep the high end and switch the quad machines to a more budget friendly midtower (remember when you could buy a G5 tower for $1599?). Yes, I brought up the infamous xMac.
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Finally. This better be right
Finally. This better be right
Well of course the new MPs will be here shortly. I just purchased my mid-2010 MP. Typically, Apple releases the newer version a month after my purchase.
The same thing happened after two of my iMac purchases.
The MP release cycles are fairly regular, they follow the schedule of the xeon chips. Its not that hard to predict.
Just wondering...
Could these new desktop graphics cards be used in large LCD TVs? I was thinking... Perhaps Apple's move into the TV market will be with a machine that is a TV and an all-in-one computer.
By the way, I'm rooting for new Mac Pros.
Could these new desktop graphics cards be used in large LCD TVs? I was thinking... Perhaps Apple's move into the TV market will be with a machine that is a TV and an all-in-one computer.
By the way, I'm rooting for new Mac Pros.
Some people can get by without 2 optical drives. Then again, some people use the extra slot for, say, a striped SSD boot.
Flat out wrong. Not "in terms of" cooling 12 xeon cores. There isn't as much 'wasted space' in a mac pro as you think. Its gotta be able to handle some serious heat. Sounds to me like you want a small, loud, restricting PRO machine. Most professionals are willing to sacrifice those few inches to get greater expandability, power, and efficient cooling the mac pro brings.