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iPod 10 Reasons I won't use iTMS

1) You don't have to use iTMS. Get over it.

2) You are very annoying. Get over it.

3) Your point would be better taken if put in a discussion format and not in a snobby take-that-establishment way. Get over it.
 
oban14 said:
I'm just surprised so many adults are willing to put up with its shortcomings.
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Not to be rude, but I imagine most adults don't have a stick up there ass. You're insight for not using the iTunes store is noted. You're free to go spend your money chasing the audio dragon.
 
I feel this is rather relevant to the thread.

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I've bought about 50 or so songs off iTunes. I prefer getting them from CD but what the hell, I just want the song sometimes.

I've got a good sound system but I don't just sit there and put music on, smiling at the quality of it. I put music on and work so I'm not fussed at all over the quality. Most of my music is 128-160kbps AAC barring a few Lossless Hemisync tracks.

Oh and most of the time I don't bother with albums. There are only a handful of albums that I like all the songs on.
 
A few things you should get used to

1 - You clearly have to much time on your hands. Get over it.

2 - You obviously don't have a girlfriend/boyfriend. Get used to it.

3 - You're going to end up sad and lonely.

4 - We couldn't give a ****!
 
1. Who asked you if you do or don't shop there, and who wanted the reasons you do or don't? I certainly don't. Get used to it.
2. iTunes is the number one music retailer in the US. Get used to it.
3. You can purchase full albums on iTunes, which often include the music videos and digital booklet (sleeve) - oh, and cheaper than the CD. Get used to it.
4. Billions of sales really can't be wrong. GET USED TO IT.
5. No other hardware manufacturer and online, or physical store, offers the seamless use that iTunes and the iPod, it the iTV has.

By the way, why are you copy and pasting 'Get Used To It' after each sentance? It's as though your venting some sort of sour anger towards iTunes but deflecting it on to us, a sort of 'HA! You'll never have me as a customer, so there, get used to it!'. Why the bitterness? If you don't shop there, it really won't hurt or spite Apple - they'll be just fine without you. No need to be so personal.

You're not being forced to shop there, so don't.

Jelite said:
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Now available on iTMS.
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This made me laugh out loud... a lot.
 
oban14 said:
1. Can I sell them to someone else? What happens if my hard drive dies, can I just download them all over again? Is the quality as good as a CD?

If the answer to the above questions are all "no", we don't really need to go further. But hey, I'll humour you.

2. I buy 90% of my CDs online. half.com is just as easy as anything else online.

3. When lossless, uncrippled downloads are offered, I'll consider changing my point of view.

4. Personally, I see nothing wrong with someone downloading an album off of bittorrent or anywhere else, provided they delete it if they don't like it and buy it if they keep it. That's a moral call, though, and I know the law says differently in many countries.

5. I can still buy CD singles at a much cheaper price. I typically pay anywhere from 1.00 to 6.00 per album. Add a few bucks for shipping and it's still just as cheap... with all of these benefits:

1) No DRM
2) I can sell, lend, do whatever I want with it. I own it.
3) Rip into any quality and format I require.

6. There are even more independents NOT on iTunes.

7. Glad we can finally agree. ;)

8. The point is that you do not need iTunes... and iTunes can in fact be quite restrictive if you wanted to own an MP3 player with better sound quality than an iPod, for example.

9. You might be right. :eek:

10. The sony rootkit didn't hurt my mac much at all... how about yours? Again, if they get rid of the DRM and meet my other requirements I'll happily change my "tune", so to speak. :cool:
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Like, Are you seriously on here to pick a fight? People here are quick to pick up on that, and what you don't realize is that no one cares if you don't like the service. Take your own advice and get used to it.
 
Whatever, it is a free market

so buy your cds; we are already used to it.

Or don't use iTunes == we don't have to get used to it because we don't care.

however, you just made me want to buy more cds.
 
whatever, nobody is forcing you to buy them. good thing apple didn't take your recommendations for the iTMS, lol, otherwise they might not have sold as many songs as they did.
 
oban14 said:
Obviously. I suppose I'd consider iTMS under a few conditions:

1) Choice of format and bit rate, preferably FLAC but 320 MP3s would be okay.
2) Absolutely no DRM.
3) Cut the prices in half.
4) You buy the rights to the song - if your collection gets wiped out, you can re-download all the songs for free. You can also transfer (sell) ownership rights of these songs to someone else.
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Ever hear of a little thing called bandwidth?
 
Why I buy from the iTunes Music Store

1) Convenience.
2) I buy the songs I want, not the introductions I won't listen to or that instrumental section.
3) I can find music I cannot find on CDs.
4) Good price for what I get.
5) It's there, why not take advantage of it?
6) I don't illegally download music.
7) If you buy the wrong song and listen to it, Apple will give you a refund if you ask nice enough; if you buy the wrong CD and open it, nobody will let you return it.
8) I don't mind the 128kbps quality; those songs are not much different on CDs.
9) It doesn't stop me from buying CDs.
10) I spend about $30-$40 on music a month; that I can buy 30-40 songs I will listen or 3 CDs with 5 songs I'll listen to.

oban14 said:
Obviously. I suppose I'd consider iTMS under a few conditions:

1) Choice of format and bit rate, preferably FLAC but 320 MP3s would be okay.
2) Absolutely no DRM.
3) Cut the prices in half.
4) You buy the rights to the song - if your collection gets wiped out, you can re-download all the songs for free. You can also transfer (sell) ownership rights of these songs to someone else.
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1) Too complicated for the average buyer; I like technology, but I won't spend 5 extra seconds deciding if I want FLAC, OGG, or 320kbps MP3.
2) Yes, EMI music doesn't have DRM; more to come.
3) What so Apple will make -$.50 a song? You know how low the margins on the songs are?
4) You don't buy the song; you buy the rights to listen to it; no you can't sell your license away. Technically you don't own the music on the CDs either; you just own the CD itself. If it were your music to own, you can copy it and sell it, but you can't! You don't own the music on your CDs.

corywoolf said:
Ever hear of a little thing called bandwidth?
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No idea. Oh you mean my 50/20 FiOS connection? :D
 
oban14 said:
Yeah, I always smirk when I see people driving a Prius. A car designed for those bad at math but great at sucking up marketing. ;)
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Here's my math on the Prius:
I save about 40 minutes/day driving the Prius, because in California I can solo in the carpool lane. 40 minutes of my time is worth about $33, so $165/week, or $660/month, which is $160 more than my Prius payment.

Smirk away, though, if it makes you feel good.

Also, you should phrase your arguments a little more carefully if you want people to take you seriously. The hyperbole makes you sound thoughtless.
 
I don't buy from iTMS nor Amazon anymore, and have instead opted to go back to buying CD's & ripping them... DRM & crappy, lossy formats were the reason for me. I've upgraded my desktop audio setup, and decided that ALAC is the way to go for sound quality (according to my ears).
 
cubbie5150 said:
I don't buy from iTMS nor Amazon anymore, and have instead opted to go back to buying CD's & ripping them... DRM & crappy, lossy formats were the reason for me. I've upgraded my desktop audio setup, and decided that ALAC is the way to go for sound quality (according to my ears).
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Good for you! It's always nice to see someone else out there who isn't willing to settle for mediocrity. :)
 
I don't like mediocrity either but unless an album has 3 good songs I like I don't buy the CD.

As with all things in life more choice is nigh always preferrable to less choice.

I still buy CDs because they give me flexibility and that's worth a premium on some albums. However the efficacy of .99 tracks cannot be denied for perusing and finding new music. The immediacy of hearing and song and searching, finding and purchasing on iTunes is unparalleled.

I do not get caught up in bits/bytes and all that mumbo jumbo. Music is an art form and the essence of it isn't just in how pure the sound is but how emotive the music is. Nirvana's Nevermind can't hold a candle to Pearl Jam's Ten regarding engineering quality but it didn't matter because the content was so superior it didn't matter.

I'll continue to use whatever tools I have at my disposal to find and support artists.
 
I fail to see the point of the rant. Personally i use any medium that eventually gets me the music i want. This means sometimes i use CDs, downloads (not only ITMS), torrents or whatever. Obviously no one medium is perfect. I also cant remember the last time i liked all the tracks on an album.

If one medium isn't giving you what you want (ITMS) then use something else. Tis not like ITMS will change automatically tomorrow because you posted your frustrations on MR (apple.com/feedback) might have helped.

Also what's with the 'music fans' & 'get used to it'? speak for yourself mate. billions of sales from iTunes would suggest 'music fans' in their majority dont actually mind the ITMS hence there's really no incentive for Apple to 'get used to' anything

Granted some of your frustrations are valid but thats just it they are your frustrations not majority's
 
I think downloadable MP3s, CDs, and vinyl all have their place and uses.

I am a deejay, so I like to buy vinyl of hard to find tracks and stuff that I would mix in a set. Vinyl also has a certain characteristic sound to it that CD or MP3 can't reproduce. However, there is no way that I could ever consider buying only vinyl, due to the ridiculously high cost (sometimes over $10.00 for 2 tracks) and the limited availability of albums. On top of that, vinyl takes up a lot of physical space and it is not very portable (you can only listen where there is a turntable, which can weigh around 20 lbs).

CDs are great, as they have that clean and loud sound to them due to the way they have been mastered. I will certainly buy a CD if it is a classic album, but not if only a few tracks are good and the rest of the whole album sucks. Also, I remember my old portable CD player that I had to carry in my hand wherever I went, as it took up a size larger than the CD itself and would not fit into my pants pocket. It's not fun carrying around something everywhere you go. Kind of like carrying a purse. Like most men, I don't like to carry anything that can't fit into a pocket.

Downloadable MP3s (or AAC and whatever else) are really great for purchasing singles. Take the band "The Bravery" for example. In my opinion, they have only 2 good tracks that are on 2 separate albums. There is no way I would purchase both of those two albums at full CD or vinyl price just to get the only 2 tracks that I like. Most importantly, I can take MP3s with me wherever I go, as the player will fit into a pocket.

So, to sum up my rant over your rant, every media format has its place and uses.

If you don't like iTMS, then don't use it. Not everyone thinks like you.
 
oban14 said:
If the answer to the above questions are all "no", we don't really need to go further. But hey, I'll humour you.

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It's sad that so many people are willing to settle for mediocrity. I won't listen to an MP3 below 320.

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Yeah, I always smirk when I see people driving a Prius. A car designed for those bad at math but great at sucking up marketing.

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I'm just amazed that so many apparently grown adults are willing to put up with the same limitations as 14 year old girls, which is really what the majority of the iTunes market place is all about.

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I think iTMS is ideal for a 15 year old girl, but again, I'm just surprised so many adults are willing to put up with its shortcomings.

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It's always nice to see someone else out there who isn't willing to settle for mediocrity.
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Wow. You must really look down on me with disdain for liking iTunes for what it has to offer despite its shortcomings.

Enjoy your choice, its a perfectly legitimate and viable one. But, if you'd allow me the audacity, in the future, might I suggest not treating those who don't adhere to your rigid doctrine as vulgar thick-witted buffoons?
 
oban14 said:
01 - A lot of music fans prefer to listen to entire albums from start to finish rather than picking tracks from an album to put into a playlist. Get used to it.

02 - A lot of music fans are happy to go and hunt down CDs at the cheapest prices possible which ultimately means it costs less for a CD than it does buying the tracks individually on iTunes. Get used to it.

03 - A lot of music fans prefer to buy their music on CD (even vinyl) to get what they believe is the best reproduction of that music on their hifi equipment rather than paying for lossy downloads. Get used to it.

04 - A lot of music fans find CDs excellent value for money. This is because they are discerning people who may break the law occasionally by downloading an album from BitTorrent or Usenet but ultimately buy the album if it is good. This means they never buy a bad CD meaning they are very pleased with CDs as a product and are more likely to go buy even more of them. Get used to it.

05 - Not all albums have only one or two good tracks on them. If you consider this justification for buying music track-by-track then knock yourselves out. However, by diligent selection, it is entirely possible to find wholly excellent albums that will keep you listening from start to finish. Get used to it.

06 - A lot of music fans are not politicians. If Sony, EMI or one of the big record companies release a good album, they will go buy it and enjoy it. They will possibly also go check out the product of small independent labels. If they are kept satisfied by good music and enough of it, they really don't care who marketed it. Get used to it.

07 - A lot of music fans feel they get more for their money by getting a plastic case, disk and some sleevenotes to read on the toilet rather than downloading it. Get used to it.

08 - A lot of music fans do own iPods and non-proprietary players in order to play the music they themselves have ripped from their own collections as a matter of portability and convenience and never once go anywhere near iTunes. Get used to it.

09 - A lot of CD-buying music fans hate music thieves because the former end up subsidising the latter by virtue of what they buy. Get used to it.

10 - By virtue of being a CD-buying music fan, it is perfectly possible to be an honest user of music whilst hating DRM and DRM-peddlars like Apple and iTunes. Get used to it.
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You don't like the iTunes Music Store. Fine. I rarely use it myself because of DRM. There are lots of other places to get music. Get used to it.
 
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oban14 said:
Good for you! It's always nice to see someone else out there who isn't willing to settle for mediocrity. :)
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Do you really believe ripping that lastest rap song in lossless is any different than 128kbps? It's not like anyone can understand what they are singing anyways. I buy on the iTMS what I know won't make a difference; if I need the difference, say classical music, I still buy CDs off Amazon.
 
oban14 said:
01 - A lot of music fans prefer to listen to entire albums from start to finish rather than picking tracks from an album to put into a playlist. Get used to it....
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If you're going to start a thread about why you are not going to use the ITMS, then I would suggesting that you start your points with "I," rather than "A lot of music fans." Otherwise, title the thread appropriately.

Secondly, your inclusion of "Get used to it," at the end of each point doesn't do anything. That is, if you want to avoid making yourself seem entirely arrogant.
 
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