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danny842003

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I can’t see any iPad beating a kindle as an E reader for me.
The weight alone would put me off.
However a kindle is awful for comics so there is that caveat.
 

KPOM

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We can definitely agree that it is a shame that the nano-texture is only available for 1 TB+ models.
Perhaps Apple will expand availability of the nano screen in a future model. It would be worth even a $200 premium in a lower capacity model, IMO.
 
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WilliamG

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I can’t see any iPad beating a kindle as an E reader for me.
The weight alone would put me off.
However a kindle is awful for comics so there is that caveat.
I have a Kindle and a new iPad Pro 11. I’d never use the iPad Pro 11 for dedicated reading. Kindle is king. It’s just too perfect for reading, and water proof, readable in direct sun etc. Both are fantastic devices, and have their own strengths and weaknesses.
 
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NVDA

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Returned the M4 iPad Pro 11 inch as it barely felt any different from my 2018 model. Barely any thinner, barely any lighter, yes the blacks are inkier and the battery is better, but nominal improvements at best for a 6 year difference. I can do all of these things with my 2015 Kindle Paperwhite (ebooks from Libby) and 2018 iPad Pro (newspapers from PressReader). No reason to upgrade at all. I would pick up my 2018 thinking it’s the M4 model as they look and feel alike. Hopefully the next model feels like an improved device.
 
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Surfsalot

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I am aware. Again, we are talking do it t all devices. If you have a better proposal than the well known one trick pony please let me know.
If you can’t do that it’s not a do it all device, won’t fit in a pocket either, still not as good in full sun anyway.
Battery goes for months, plenty of pony tricks lol
Not as good for your eyes too.
 

Branaghan

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I can’t see any iPad beating a kindle as an E reader for me.
The weight alone would put me off.
However a kindle is awful for comics so there is that caveat.
Many ebooks are confined to PDF (unless you only want/care about the text content), with formatting and images that are unsuitable for any Kindle (magazines and comic books...?). Others are not OCR and consist of images saved into PDFs.

I own a Kindle and still use the iPAD for specific readings (it also has the Kindle app). And some PDFs are much bigger than your usual ePUB.

What I am interested is if with the proper bias lighting, the anti-glare benefits from the Nano versions justify ditching the regular iPADs.
 

aevan

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Returned the M4 iPad Pro 11 inch as it barely felt any different from my 2018 model. Barely any thinner, barely any lighter, yes the blacks are inkier and the battery is better, but nominal improvements at best for a 6 year difference. I can do all of these things with my 2015 Kindle Paperwhite (ebooks from Libby) and 2018 iPad Pro (newspapers from PressReader). No reason to upgrade at all. I would pick up my 2018 thinking it’s the M4 model as they look and feel alike. Hopefully the next model feels like an improved device.

Yes, this one has inkier blacks, brighter screen, better battery, better Pencil, is lighter, thinner and faster - but sure, maybe the next one feels like “an improved device”.
 

MrMacintoshIII

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Yes, this one has inkier blacks, brighter screen, better battery, better Pencil, is lighter, thinner and faster - but sure, maybe the next one feels like “an improved device”.
I think for $1700 (not even with cellular at this price…), it’s still not different enough after all that time.

The nano texture could easily be included on the lower end models and Apple could just keep the manufacturing date as 3+ months out in delivery wait time, so only those truly willing to wait could get it. They didn’t have to keep it to the 1TB models only. That’s Tim Apple’s doing…

The good amount of ram is also once again locked behind the expensive tier. Again, a greedy choice. Why couldn’t we even pay to up it in the 256gb model if we wanted??

Pencil Pro is great but it works with the Air too, and likely the upcoming mini, so it doesn’t count as a plus for the Pro.

Bezels look still huge on the 11” for the price.

Still stuck behind clumsy iPadOS (if iPadOS 18 changes this remains to be seen… and will the M4 get any unique features or nah?)

I tried the $329 2022 iPad vs the 11” Pro but the sad thing was, the 2022 iPad felt like a far, far better value despite the much worse everything, because it’s just too stupid expensive to get the nano iPad 11” the way Timmy set up the pricing.

These are the reasons it doesn’t feel worth the upgrade.

In the end, I still returned even the regular iPad, it didn’t feel worth the $329.

With the back to school promo coming, that might just be the time for me to finally stop returning iPads, as I’ll try to pickup a base model iPad (yes I’ll deal with 64gb, whatever, at this point I just want a cheap sidecar device) with an included Apple gift card or something.

Disappointing.
 
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Jensend

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For me, a display that uses PWM will never be as comfortable for reading as a display that has a steady brightness. I'm not super sensitive to PWM, but it's a noticable difference to me.
 

Ctrlos

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I found it dulled the colours and the bexel-to-screen texture change was jarring.
 
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ericwn

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If you can’t do that it’s not a do it all device, won’t fit in a pocket either, still not as good in full sun anyway.
Battery goes for months, plenty of pony tricks lol
Not as good for your eyes too.

Based on the requirements of the OP what is your recommendation, apart from the ebook readers one trick ponies that we have discussed.
 

HouseLannister

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I’ve used both displays.

As a comic book reader, I preferred the regular display. Just a more saturated, vibrant look that goes great with comic book artwork. I also read in bed at night primarily, so reflections are not a concern.

And for Kindle books, I would rather have the sharper text of the regular gloss display, so can’t recommend the nano unless you have younger eyes than mine or just crank up the font size.

Waiting to get my hands on a Daylight tablet after listening to Gruber’s preview on the Talk Show. Might be a good alternative to an e-ink reader.
 

chadamorrill

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Super different use cases, IMO. The very thing I love about my basic e-reader is that it is good for literally nothing else. Can't "look something up real quick", can't get that itch to pop over to this website or see if someone texted me back. Fact is, my attention span is pretty well shredded at this point (and I don't think I'm the only one lol) and picking up a monotasker like an e-ink reader makes it just a little harder for me to bail on reading something "hard".

Don't get me wrong, iPads are gorgeous and compelling, bu frankly they're too gorgeous and compelling for me to use as a long form reading device, if that makes any sense.

This exactly. I have my phone in my pocket all the time, which is enough of a siren song distraction. I LOVE my Kindle for the singular fact that it can't do anything but display books.
 

klasma

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Again, have you seen one in real-life (lighting) conditions? That „loss“ is absolutely minimal.
It is small, but noticeable enough that it led me to return the nano after a few days. Slightly less contrast, slightly less sharpness, slightly less color saturation. I had both nano and non-nano to compare side by side at home. Another factor was that the reflections are still there, just heavily blurred and spread out, which means you still have to manage your position and the screen angle relative to light sources. Also the bezel is still glossy and produces distracting reflections, sometimes more distracting than with standard glass, because it’s like lights moving around the bezel.

I like the feel of the nano texture and the print-like look, but for me it’s too much of a compromise overall. If the price was the same as the standard-glass models, I would have been inclined to buy both, using them interchangeably depending on mood and situation. But at the price of the nano models, that’s too little value for the compromises it brings, for my use.
 
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the future

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It is small, but noticeable enough that it led me to return the nano after a few days. Slightly less contrast, slightly less sharpness, slightly less color saturation. I had both nano and non-nano to compare side by side at home.

I also had them both, but one after the other. If you had kept the nano, in daily use you would never have had the feeling that contrast and sharpness were in any way lacking. Side-by-side, maybe so, but only very slightly so, and only in situations with medium to strong ambient lighting. In a dark room, there is no loss of anything because there is no ambient light to be dispersed.

Another factor was that the reflections are still there, just heavily blurred and spread out, which means you still have to manage your position and the screen angle relative to light sources.

This I disagree with. Sure you can change your position to get less direct light on the screen (and hence better contrast), but you don‘t have to as the screen is very readable even in direct sunlight (i.e. in situations where the non-nano is basically useless).

Also the bezel is still glossy and produces distracting reflections, sometimes more distracting than with standard glass, because it’s like lights moving around the bezel.

To me, this is a non-issue, but fair enough if it bothers you.
 
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klasma

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I also had them both, but one after the other. If you had kept the nano, in daily use you would never have had the feeling that contrast and sharpness were in any way lacking.
Yes I did have that feeling. The first two hours I thought I would keep it over the standard glass, but after two days I ended up finding it more annoying than the standard glass.

In a dark room, there is no loss of anything because there is no ambient light to be dispersed.
There is a loss in sharpness and in color saturation.

This I disagree with. Sure you can change your position to get less direct light on the screen (and hence better contrast), but you don‘t have to as the screen is very readable even in direct sunlight (i.e. in situations where the non-nano is basically useless).
The screen becomes unreadable at the wrong angle to a bright light source, because it becomes a surface of white shine. Even at slight angles, it causes the contrast to reduce. This turned out to be at least as bothering to me as the standard glass glare. This picture exemplifies why I don’t find it that great:

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Even without the bright spots, you often have some amount of that shine across some part of the screen, and highlights in the bezels.
 
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