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arkitect

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For those interested in using the Virtual Desktop for work... this is essentially what your Vision Pro decision boils down to: which experience do you find more beneficial and desirable?
Right now I'll vote for the MacBook Pro only.

This is probably related to me being quite sociable and engaged with people.

My setup at work is I work alone in my studio, so I spend considerable amounts of time a day by myself and appreciate the time I get to be in a busy social environment like a coffee shop.

So I don't quite "get" the idea of going into a public space and then cutting myself off from that space.
Why go then? The coffee? Hmmm… I do have better coffee at home. 🙂

Personally I go for the social atmosphere… the chatter and background noise, observing the human animal.

With an iPad or Macbook it is so much easier to be present in the room.

Whatever work I would do couldn't be that important — unless something catastrophic had happened to my desktop system and I needed to do this in a pinch.

Related to this though, how is the resolution for the AVP? Is it on par with the MBP?
 
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pugxiwawa

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For those interested in using the Virtual Desktop for work... this is essentially what your Vision Pro decision boils down to: which experience do you find more beneficial and desirable?
I've tried doing actual work with VP and don't understand how anyone can wear and stare at the screen for work purposes for longer than 30 minutes without feeling like their eyes will pop out. While it does work, it's honestly very uncomfortable and doesn't contribute much to productivity. I view it as mostly a gimmick
 
• Ethical Concerns Also Exist. When the iPhone came out in 2007, no one anticipated the unintended consequence of families out to dinner with kids glued to screens instead of engaged in conversation with their family. When AirPods came out in 2016, no one could have ever guessed that one of the unintended consequences of their release would be workers in fast food joints, grocery stores, coffee shops, and more all "tuning out" from customers to "tune in" to their music on the job. For some people, this is a non-issue. For others, it's maddening. Likewise, there will be unintended consequences that come from the Vision Pro's establishment in society, some of which raise far more grave ethical questions than listening to music at work. Are we approaching a day where it's commonplace to be sitting next to someone on a plane who is watching pornography? Will some people point to horror stories of sights and sounds of people "reacting" without realizing it, while others argue "what's it matter? you can't see what they're looking at anyway?" This is just one example of the potential unintended ethical consequences. As a less intense example, we're already seeing strong evidence of Gen Z's inability to speak to people by phone, and it's impact in the workplace... could mass adoption of Spatial Computing devices like Vision Pro lead to a future where the next generation struggles to even look people in the eye in real life? I think it's important to remember that, while WE may view these devices through the lens of how they BUILD on to a paradigm and worldview that we've been establishing for ourselves for years, for future generations they ARE the paradigm. They ARE the lens through which they view the world. Nefarious use cases don't mean we should stop innovating and creating, but they SHOULD compel us to consider their implications as we integrate new technologies into our daily lives.

Those aren’t ethical concerns. Those are social concerns foremost, quality of living/working issues as ancillary, and as an edge issue, generational shifts.

[With using a glass phone issue: I can actually comprehend why. A Gen Z person, on average, has probably never experienced an all-landline-quality phone call with another person using the same, and thus they have never experienced such without extreme digital audio compression, dropped packets, and poor signal reception. All of these degrade the utility for that means of communication. It would follow this makes folks who’ve only known this purpose-degraded medium to rely instead on other means for communication they consider reliable, including texting/chatting with read confirmation on.]

Ethical concerns include matters like biometric data harvesting potential.

Another includes third-party apps collecting Vision Pro usage data (like spatial data) in places where one uses the Vision Pro most in order to hyper-tailor advertising. A case example: precision of that spatial data collection to “know” when you’re in the kitchen whilst using the Vision Pro to refer to a recipe for what you’re preparing, to have advertising display and sell you on, say, mixing bowls).

A third includes a spike in demand for CSM exploitation recorded in “Spatial” because “customers” wanted it for the VP.

Using a Vision Pro whilst operating a motor vehicle in a self-driving/autonomous mode? That’s both an ethical and a public safety concern.

That’s probably just the top of the tip of the iceberg, but those are ethical concerns. Not being heard at first by a barista because they’re wearing earbuds is a social issue, one reflected by how adequately they’re compensated for their work. If they’re being under-compensated (and they probably are), then it shouldn’t be surprising they’re going to make use of interstitial idle time for themselves, to the occasional inconvenience of a customer who has to ask twice to get one’s attention. I’m not saying I advocate for it, but I can absolutely understand it.

Anyway, thanks for the thorough, 13-day report! It’s been informative!
 
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drew0020

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FINAL THOUGHTS​

Today marked the end of my first experience with Apple Vision Pro. It is all boxed up for return in the morning. Now that the experiment is complete, I wanted to share a few overarching thoughts on my experience:

• There's something GREAT here. Not for TOMORROW. For TODAY. From movie fanatics in the market for a high-end tv, to Creatives and Business People looking to work publicly while maintaining privacy, there are going to be people who keep the device, and get a ton of joy and benefit from it in the months ahead. I went in with ZERO interest in anything AR/VR. I left completely sold on this being an exciting future for computing, even if it wasn't the right price point for me to jump in just yet.

I purchased solely for movie watching and anything else would be a bonus. I was disappointed with the overall image quality. It just was not sharp enough, movies look pixelated at times (above 200”) In addition, the glare was just too much to overcome and I could never overcome the feeling of looking through goggles.

I agree this is a super cheap option for movie watching compared to high-end OLED and laser projectors, but for those of us who care about video quality and fidelity this sadly is not the machine for it. Hopefully they can increase the pixel count and reduce glare on v2/3.
 
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@robgreene It's been enjoyable reading about your experiences and take. After reading a bunch of this, came up with a take that may be interesting to some in this thread as it addresses a perspective on cost:

 
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robgreene

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THE RETURN​

Today I returned the Vision Pro. Simple, straightforward, no resistance. The return was handled by staff member who, surprisingly, had never even held a Vision Pro prior to my return (and mishandled it when picking it up for the first time... I was quite curious to see how the return would have gone if the store employee had dropped it 🤣)

They asked for feedback, and I gave them a copy of my notes as documented here. Wound up being 30 pages worth of notes all in all. 🙈 The employees lit up and said "management will be thrilled to review this... thank you!"

The most interesting thing so far? I'm really MISSING the device. I went next door to work from Starbucks, and found myself disappointed I could not pull up my Macbook Pro on a large virtual display perfectly aligned for good posture. I've never been more keenly aware of how much I "hunch" when I work directly on a laptop. I know there are other, cheaper solutions out there... but for now, I'm just going to be content with missing the Vision Pro.

Really hoping Apple uses the refurb market to test interest at a lower price point.

This concludes my review of the Vision Pro. I will not be posting any further updates here. Thanks for following along!
 

Ghost31

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This product will be really great once it’s smaller and $2k. Right now at more than $4k with accessories and tax it’s an easy no for most people. The snazzy labs video was good at detailing how gen 1 this product is

I wish vp could be the size of the big screen beyond
 

James.K.Polk

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THE RETURN​

Today I returned the Vision Pro. Simple, straightforward, no resistance. The return was handled by staff member who, surprisingly, had never even held a Vision Pro prior to my return (and mishandled it when picking it up for the first time... I was quite curious to see how the return would have gone if the store employee had dropped it 🤣)

They asked for feedback, and I gave them a copy of my notes as documented here. Wound up being 30 pages worth of notes all in all. 🙈 The employees lit up and said "management will be thrilled to review this... thank you!"

The most interesting thing so far? I'm really MISSING the device. I went next door to work from Starbucks, and found myself disappointed I could not pull up my Macbook Pro on a large virtual display perfectly aligned for good posture. I've never been more keenly aware of how much I "hunch" when I work directly on a laptop. I know there are other, cheaper solutions out there... but for now, I'm just going to be content with missing the Vision Pro.

Really hoping Apple uses the refurb market to test interest at a lower price point.

This concludes my review of the Vision Pro. I will not be posting any further updates here. Thanks for following along!
Glad you’re happy, or happy enough, but man - if I had the energy and intent to write this much about a product, I’d take that as a clear indication I’d have use for it beyond the two-week period. Thinking you enjoy it more than the vast majority.
 

robgreene

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Glad you’re happy, or happy enough, but man - if I had the energy and intent to write this much about a product, I’d take that as a clear indication I’d have use for it beyond the two-week period. Thinking you enjoy it more than the vast majority.
Hahaha... that's a fair response. I believe in the project. I believe in what Apple's doing with this. The polarization online about the Vision Pro has been driving me crazy. Just wanted to be a voice of reason.
 

Night Spring

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Hahaha... that's a fair response. I believe in the project. I believe in what Apple's doing with this. The polarization online about the Vision Pro has been driving me crazy. Just wanted to be a voice of reason.
Would you have kept it if it was $3000? $2000?
 

Ghost31

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Would you have kept it if it was $3000? $2000?
Not directed at me, but people have all kinds of rationalizations for buying things. If I could say “hey. It’s basically just the price of a maxed out iPad or a MacBook. No biggie” you judge it less harshly. It’s familiar. Obviously. When it’s $4k most people, like me are like damn. That’s the price of my first car lol for something I might get tired of using or only use it for an hour at a time

Personally, I think $2kish would be the magical price point for this to take off. Until then, most people won’t even think about it.
 

gerald.d

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Rob - thank you so much for sharing your journey with us. Without a doubt the most valuable evaluation of the Vision Pro that I have come across anywhere (and boy have I been hunting those down and reading/viewing them).

Next week, stock permitting, I will be picking mine up, and then a few days later flying out of the US without any chance to return it. I’m very confident in my decision to get one of these based on your shared experiences. Thank you once again.

This really deserves to be a sticky thread.

To continue to contribute to the community in such personally challenging times was remarkable.

Bravo sir. Bravo.

My thoughts are with you and your loved ones, and I wish your father the best of health. 🙏
 

mattopotamus

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Rob - thank you so much for sharing your journey with us. Without a doubt the most valuable evaluation of the Vision Pro that I have come across anywhere (and boy have I been hunting those down and reading/viewing them).

Next week, stock permitting, I will be picking mine up, and then a few days later flying out of the US without any chance to return it. I’m very confident in my decision to get one of these based on your shared experiences. Thank you once again.

This really deserves to be a sticky thread.

To continue to contribute to the community in such personally challenging times was remarkable.

Bravo sir. Bravo.

My thoughts are with you and your loved ones, and I wish your father the best of health. 🙏

Could not agree more. Even as an owner, it was nice to read your daily assessments and compare to my own. Hands down the most quality review of the AVP.
 

robgreene

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Would you have kept it if it was $3000? $2000?
Yes. I mention this in my Final Thoughts post on Wednesday. And at $2000 this thing would be notably UNDERvalued in my opinion.
Rob - thank you so much for sharing your journey with us. Without a doubt the most valuable evaluation of the Vision Pro that I have come across anywhere (and boy have I been hunting those down and reading/viewing them).

Next week, stock permitting, I will be picking mine up, and then a few days later flying out of the US without any chance to return it. I’m very confident in my decision to get one of these based on your shared experiences. Thank you once again.

This really deserves to be a sticky thread.

To continue to contribute to the community in such personally challenging times was remarkable.

Bravo sir. Bravo.

My thoughts are with you and your loved ones, and I wish your father the best of health. 🙏
Could not agree more. Even as an owner, it was nice to read your daily assessments and compare to my own. Hands down the most quality review of the AVP.
Wow. Was not expecting to wake up to these messages. Kindness from strangers on the internet... what a novel concept. Thank you for the kind words! 👏
 
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nfl46

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Thanks for the updates! I wish you could come along with journey with us (the ones who are keeping their AVP). But, I have a weird suspicion that you will be back once visionOS 2.0 Beta 1 is released in June. Lol.

Check out my cool avi. Someone posted them on Reddit.
 
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Macalicious2011

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FINAL THOUGHTS​

Today marked the end of my first experience with Apple Vision Pro. It is all boxed up for return in the morning. Now that the experiment is complete, I wanted to share a few overarching thoughts on my experience:

• There's something GREAT here. Not for TOMORROW. For TODAY. From movie fanatics in the market for a high-end tv, to Creatives and Business People looking to work publicly while maintaining privacy, there are going to be people who keep the device, and get a ton of joy and benefit from it in the months ahead. I went in with ZERO interest in anything AR/VR. I left completely sold on this being an exciting future for computing, even if it wasn't the right price point for me to jump in just yet.

• Everyone Should be Recording in Spatial with your iPhones. Even Without Vision Pro. I'm not even sure why Apple even gives you the option. Even if you don't own a Vision Pro today, you'll likely own a future iteration, even if it's years from now. And when you do, you'll wish you had been recording every sentimental moment in Spatial Video, not 2D. It's POWERFUL.

• Apple 100% Did the Right Thign Getting Vision Pro to Market. Steve Jobs famously said "Real Artists Ship." Kudos to Tim and the team at Apple for getting this device shipped. The amount of data and feedback they're about to get on this device and how to make it better is going to truly be revolutionary. That word gets thrown around inappropriately a lot these days, but in this case, it's the perfect word. The people who keep their devices will help shape it's future. And the best part is, there are a ton of changes that can and will happen at the OS/app level... changes that could start happening this calendar year. I'm thrilled to follow the development of the OS in the months ahead. This is going to be exciting!

• Window Management is Lacking. What good is "infinite workspace" if there's no way to consistently, conveniently organize it? I would love to see a dock of your open apps that appears when you look down, much in the way control center opens when you look up (and before you go complaining about control center popping up when you don't want it to, make sure you've adjusted it higher in the System Settings... makes a huge difference!) I would also love to see a Mission Control-esque feature controlled by a gesture, and the ability to save presets of windows/workspaces.

• The only thing more curious than the Travel Case Design is the Travel Case Packaging. I'm still a bit baffled by the size and material choices for the Vision Pro Travel Case. But if there's any one indication of how "rushed to market" this launch may have been, it's the travel case packaging. It came in a single piece of folded, unmarked, unbranded piece of white cardboard... like a chinese takeout box but flimsier. It's the single most un-Apple design decision I can recall in 24 years of using Apple products.

• 256 GB is Plenty... for Now. I bought the 512 GB model and regretted it almost instantly. Until better file management and more cloud options (only Files and Box available at launch - no sign of Dropbox), you're just not likely to be storing much more than a few movies and some apps. That said, Apps, OS, and System Files took up nearly 200GB of my AVP storage space. Not sure what that was going to, as I did not install a ton of Apps... surprising.

• The Battery Life is Plenty... for Now. I thought the battery would be a dealbreaker for me. While I wasn't THRILLED about having it hanging off the device all the time, I wasn't BOTHERED by it in practice. The battery life (typically around 3 hours for my use) was longer than I ever wanted to use the Vision Pro in a single setting, making Apple's solution more than adequate.

• Consider the Cost: you're not looking at a $3500 purchase. Most people are looking at somewhere between a $4200 and $5000 dollar investment. At $5000 you're moving in to a higher end MacBook Pro. Could you get more value from a $5000 MacBook Pro than $5000 Vision Pro right now? For many people the answer will be yes (but I can guarantee those people won't have NEARLY as much fun 🤣)

• The Perfect Fit Takes Practice. My level of comfort wearing the Vision Pro on Day 1 compared to my level of comfort on Day 13 were RADICALLY different. There's an art and a science to getting a fit that is comfortable for longer viewing sessions. The more you use it, the more you'll find your sweet spot.

• Immersive Movies > 3D Movies. if Apple can figure out how to take Immersive Movies mainstream, it might be hard to ever go back. Will we get there? Hard to imagine, but time will tell.

• Lack of Phone Integration is a Glaring Hole. When your entire company's past 2 decades are built on a singular device like the iPhone, it seems unfathomable to completely cut out phone call integration in your next gen device. But that's exactly what's happened with Apple Vision Pro.

• The More you use Siri in your Daily Life, the More at Home You'll Feel on Vision Pro. Even simple things like sending text messages are crazy fast on Vision Pro when you use the speech to text feature. The Apple Smart Home crowd is well primed for a seamless transition.

• "Ready Player One" is Closer Than We Think. Watching that movie, I never understood why people would prefer a virtual world. 2 Weeks in to Apple Vision Pro, and people are raving about the movie watching experience, and so many are already saying "I just wish I could see a friend in another state sitting there next to me in the virtual theater while she watches from her Apple Vision Pro." This device is already generating a demand for social connectivity inside immersive environments. What a trippy future we have ahead of us!

• Health Concerns Exist... but so do Health Benefits. No one knows the longterm health impact on our eyes and minds from these devices, something that every prospective Vision Pro owner should certainly consider before making the purchase. But it's at least worth pointing out that from laptops to phones to tables, computing devices have historically worsened our posture. The Vision Pro may be the first computing device that actually strengthens our posture. This is a benefit I think Apple could lean into even more, possibly providing posture check alerts in future OS updates.

• Ethical Concerns Also Exist. When the iPhone came out in 2007, no one anticipated the unintended consequence of families out to dinner with kids glued to screens instead of engaged in conversation with their family. When AirPods came out in 2016, no one could have ever guessed that one of the unintended consequences of their release would be workers in fast food joints, grocery stores, coffee shops, and more all "tuning out" from customers to "tune in" to their music on the job. For some people, this is a non-issue. For others, it's maddening. Likewise, there will be unintended consequences that come from the Vision Pro's establishment in society, some of which raise far more grave ethical questions than listening to music at work. Are we approaching a day where it's commonplace to be sitting next to someone on a plane who is watching pornography? Will some people point to horror stories of sights and sounds of people "reacting" without realizing it, while others argue "what's it matter? you can't see what they're looking at anyway?" This is just one example of the potential unintended ethical consequences. As a less intense example, we're already seeing strong evidence of Gen Z's inability to speak to people by phone, and it's impact in the workplace... could mass adoption of Spatial Computing devices like Vision Pro lead to a future where the next generation struggles to even look people in the eye in real life? I think it's important to remember that, while WE may view these devices through the lens of how they BUILD on to a paradigm and worldview that we've been establishing for ourselves for years, for future generations they ARE the paradigm. They ARE the lens through which they view the world. Nefarious use cases don't mean we should stop innovating and creating, but they SHOULD compel us to consider their implications as we integrate new technologies into our daily lives.

THE VERDICT:
I'm returning my Apple Vision Pro (and I'll be back to share about that experience tomorrow), but it's on my radar to pick up a refurbished model when the price is right. What's here in V1 is GREAT. I look forward to picking it back up in the near future and integrating it in to my daily rhythms and workflow.
Informative and well rounded review. Thanks.
 
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ToastedCashew

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The spacial video recording limit of 1080p30 on iPhone really hurts it, I would gladly take videos in that mode if it was at least 60fps.
 
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