They have said many many times that the single licenses are not going anywhere. Who said you have to pay again? They also haven't charged for an update for a few years also. I bet 7 will be a paid update, but again it's been years since they charged for an update.
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1Password Is Now Free Mac App Store With in-app Subscription.
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So what are the best alternatives. Clearly in the long run 1Password wants a subscription from users. So if that's not for you maybe it's time to find alternatives. There's always Apple's solution. If you're just on the Apple ecosystem this is a pretty good option. Hopefully this will open up the space to some much needed competition. I like 1Password but not enough to pay more than maybe $10 a year at the most.
Why find alternatives when if you have 1Password already and it works? They've said many times they are not dropping the licenses. If you already paid for it, you're fine. But I bet they will have a paid upgrade for the licenses soon, and that they've always done. I think the last time they charged for an upgrade was 1Password 4 and we're on 6 now for the Mac.
I don't get why people are freaking out about this, they are adding more options, not taking away.
Simple - we see Software subscription as a crime against mankind. The insane prices all subscription have adds to it.
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BMW announces that the three series is now FREE...with a $41,000 dollar subscription fee.
Then vote with your wallet. No one is forcing you to switch, not even 1Password/Agilebits. The fact no one is forcing you is why I don't get why people are freaking out. If you don't like the subscription one, don't buy it and keep the license one.
Even Microsoft Office is either subscription or stand alone. Wow choices!!!
Nobody is "freaking out." People are expressing their opinions on a forum that AgileBits monitors as a form of feedback to the company.
So they add more options and people need to express their opinions? What would people if they removed options? Wow.
People are worried that this represents a transition to phasing out stand-alone purchases entirely. This wouldn't be without precedent; you mentioned that Microsoft sells both subscriptions and stand-alone licenses, but Adobe has phased out stand-alone purchases for Photoshop and much of their other editing software, now requiring a monthly fee for the software. None of us know if AgileBits intends to offer the subscription plan purely as an additional option, or if they're floating this to see how well it is received with the intent of phasing out stand-alone purchases entirely.
Adobe never said they were keeping stand alone licenses. If I remember, we didn't get much warning when they were going subscription either. Now Agilebits have said many time on here and many times on their site that stand alone licenses are not going anywhere. Imagine the backlash they would get if they lied and remove it after how many times they said this. So until they do this (if) why.. why are people complaining about something thay hasn't happened and we're told it would not happen?
Now in my opinion I bet there will be a upgrade charge to 1Password 7. Now I think they charged for an upgrade was with 1Password 4 going into 5, but I'm not sure 100%.
Also, Agilebits has offeres on 1 version and not the other. The subscription lets you have as many devices synced as you want, on-line access, and other stuff that the stand alone does not offer. On the family subscription version you can recover accounts if someone forges their master password, on the stand alone version you're out of luck if you forget your master password. Just like Microsoft gives you stuff on the subscription that the stand alone doesn't have. One thing is 1TB of OneDrive storage on the subscription MS Office. There is other stuff, but I can't remember off hand. Now I'm at least trying the subscription to see if I like it. They had a deal 10 users for the same price as 5. I know I can get at least 4-5 family members to do this (not including my wife and kids), and charge them $1.00 a month for it. It's cheaper for them than a single subscription, and it will pay for mine. I do all their support anyways, so it makes sense.
Now Agilebits are pushing the subscription more, why wouldn't they? All the new customers most likely will want it and use it. It's makes sense.
No they haven't.
They've said that your existing single licenses will remain valid. There's a subtle but important difference. They haven't ruled out stopping selling new licenses at some stage in the future, and although they're still available at present the option is very hard to find on their website. They haven't guaranteed that you'll be able to upgrade your licensed copy to any new version in the future (for a fee or otherwise). It's very clear from their answers in this thread and on their own forums that they see subscription as the new shiny thing and most of their future developments are going to center around it.
I'd agree that, if you're already happily using the Mac and iOS versions, you have nothing to worry about in the short term - until, maybe, you want to add a platform. The thing that's vexing me at the moment is how to add a Windows version: looks like you can still license standalone V4 for windows, but V6 for windows is strictly read-only without a subscription.
For now this is what I found. They also said this many times when they 1st launched the subscription service here on MacRumors in the threads.
https://blog.agilebits.com/2016/08/03/new-1password-hosted-service/
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How about:
https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/357931/#Comment_357931
(my emphasis)
Which was basically what I said. I'm not disputing that (a) the licenses are currently available and (b) they've made it clear that they're not going to revoke existing licenses.
If the license options hadn't been vanished from the main pricing page of the website and every response from AgileBits on the subject didn't conclude (I paraphrase) "...but subscriptions are so much better!" I'd be less glass-half-empty about it.
That said, I'll repeat that I don't think the subscription is bad value at all if you're using multiple platforms, and I'm certainly considering it as a way of adding the PC version to my App Store copies (its a while since I paid money to AgileBits).[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I switched to LastPass, it's free and syncs to all devices. They only charge if you want extra features, stuff that most personal people won't need. And there is always the free keychain option if you use Safari. I feel 1password is overpriced for what you get.
I got a response took on March 3rd about the subscription model, I reached out to their support on 02/27 - took longer then I thought it ought too, but I suspsect many people are complaining.
Anyways here's the portion of the response that is really head scratching
I don't know anyone who wants to keep paying for a license month in and month out, I more or less consider the response to my disappointment as a sales pitch for me to buy the product
While I'm sure Agilebits will reap the rewards of a subscription model, I for one will not be one succumbs to it. I in the past promoted 1Password, now, I'll be clearly telling people that they'll be on the hook to pay a month fee for the right to use the software.
Anyways here's the portion of the response that is really head scratching
I don't know anyone who wants to keep paying for a license month in and month out, I more or less consider the response to my disappointment as a sales pitch for me to buy the product
While I'm sure Agilebits will reap the rewards of a subscription model, I for one will not be one succumbs to it. I in the past promoted 1Password, now, I'll be clearly telling people that they'll be on the hook to pay a month fee for the right to use the software.
+1.
It is so close to reality, people been asking for a long time (I guess almost begging) to pay on monthly basis.
Unbelievable. Such a lame excuse.
Yup. I politely contacted them shortly after discovering all the colour was drained from the interface...I'll never understand that choice. Do we not have colour monitors anymore? Just do the right thing, bring the coloured icons back. No one should follow Apple design anymore, Apple has never been more lost these last few years.
I can believe people were asking for subscription. There is a big part of the population that doesn't like paying for a big lump all at once, and they rather pay a little each month. People also want the "latest and greatest" all the time too. Even Apple saw this that people wanted the latest and greatest all the time and have their own "subscription" with the iPhone.
There also has to be a selling point for subscription that they do have. You can recover accounts, have shared vaults easier, on-line access, getting the latest and greatest, and easier to set up for syncing (no other app needed anymore). For people who aren't techie people, this is great, especially when you have different platforms. I've gotten a lot of people to use 1Password who have multiple platforms and that was the biggest complaint from them "I have to use Dropbox to sync? Now I have to set up a Dropbox account? Why don't they have their own system?". Don't get me started trying to teach someone using the file transfer or wifi sync. An average user wouldn't get it at all. I get why Agilebits did this and went this route.
I'm at least trying out the subscription and I got the 10 users for the price of 5. If I play my cards right, I can make money... not much, but it will pay for my subscription. If I don't like it, I go back to the license version.
Until they remove the single license 100%, I'm not going to complain about it. What's the point? Complaining about something that hasn't happened is just whining.
I get why Agilebits is pushing the subscription more. It makes sense, it's easier for the average user, and it's more money coming in for them. If anyone gets their news letter, they were actually hiring people. So they are creating jobs too.
There also has to be a selling point for subscription that they do have. You can recover accounts, have shared vaults easier, on-line access, getting the latest and greatest, and easier to set up for syncing (no other app needed anymore). For people who aren't techie people, this is great, especially when you have different platforms. I've gotten a lot of people to use 1Password who have multiple platforms and that was the biggest complaint from them "I have to use Dropbox to sync? Now I have to set up a Dropbox account? Why don't they have their own system?". Don't get me started trying to teach someone using the file transfer or wifi sync. An average user wouldn't get it at all. I get why Agilebits did this and went this route.
I'm at least trying out the subscription and I got the 10 users for the price of 5. If I play my cards right, I can make money... not much, but it will pay for my subscription. If I don't like it, I go back to the license version.
Until they remove the single license 100%, I'm not going to complain about it. What's the point? Complaining about something that hasn't happened is just whining.
I get why Agilebits is pushing the subscription more. It makes sense, it's easier for the average user, and it's more money coming in for them. If anyone gets their news letter, they were actually hiring people. So they are creating jobs too.
Unfortunately, hideous, washed out, blocky, huge swathes of wasted whitespace, no functional cues is the current trendy UX thing that seems to have infected the entire industry. It'll pass, like all trends.
However, there was a privacy issue raised about grabbing custom icons for logins from the tubes giving out a Big Clue about which sites you had passwords for.
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...which is why people are skeptical about their statements re. keeping the individual licensed versions & offline vaults available: they always seems to be followed up with "but are you really sure you don't want a subscription?" and is at odds with their actions in hiding the licenses from their website.
I can believe that they've had demands for cloud-based sync - which, of course, necessitates a subscription.
Provided that you're happy to stop worrying and trust the encryption, there's a lot to be said for having a multi-device password manager keep the passwords in the cloud so that they're always synced across devices.
Its the "stop worrying and trust the encryption" bit that's giving me pause (or, rather, not the encryption itself but the possibility of being MITM'd or some other loophole in the protocol rendering the super-strong cryptography as effective as a steel door on a tent). I could live with many of my website passwords being kept online (realistically, its far more likely that the individual websites would get hacked) but there's some that could cost me money or access my own VPS servers that I'd prefer to be kept offline.
The single license route is on its deathbed. In fact, IMO, it is wrong of them to sell the single license when it is not their focus at all. New software features might not make it into the single software update at all.
Its the new world order and represents a steady stream of income which I don't knock. My problem is that these small subscriptions quickly add up. Here's an interesting article about when TextExpander when to the subscription model.
http://kevinrothermel.com/blog/death-by-subscribing-to-a-thousand-paper-cuts/
Individually you can maybe make a case that you're willing to spend xx dollars a month for the software the problem is other applications are doing the same. I can easily spend close to a hundred dollars a month on software, which is ridiculous.
I may be a drop in the bucket companies like AgileBits, but what they're charging is not a drop in the bucket and I'm willing to switch to a competitor.
I just created an account so I could add my disappointment to this thread.
For me, it boils down to TRUST.
For obvious reasons, 1Password depends on TRUST.
And this move by AgileBits leaves me wondering whether I can trust them.
And that's not something I want to be suddenly uncertain about when it comes to password management.
For me, it boils down to TRUST.
For obvious reasons, 1Password depends on TRUST.
And this move by AgileBits leaves me wondering whether I can trust them.
And that's not something I want to be suddenly uncertain about when it comes to password management.
You're conflating two unrelated issues. Agilebits pricing model has nothing to do with the integrity of your passwords.
If you're insistent that it is the one and the same then I would be a darn sight more concerned with a product that doesn't have a sustainable sales model (eg a free password manager). They have to generate income from somewhere and free services inevitability means you're the product.
If you feel it doesn't give you value, that's a different argument.