1Password migrants thread

[MacBH928]

Sorry, but no. Most companies don't host themselves. They use AWS or anything similar. 1Password was using AWS in the past for its cloud as much as I know. So they simply pay a monthly fee. Let's assume it's those 20 TB per month with backup, it's 440$ per month of cost. No cooling cost or anything else.

Let's be very generous and let's say it's double that: 880$ per Month. You get it. You could even quadruple it. It's ridiculous and doesn't justify subs. Bitwarden does the same. With 10$ a year per user.

its not even $10 its free, $10 is if you want TOTP (which I never use) and file attachments. I subscribe to support them.

Bitwarden shows its $10 a year with its lack of functionality and support, if it offered the same as 1password we would all be using it.
The number of users shows people are willing to pay the price, my new Bitwarden account at $10 sits unused because I found it lacked functionality.

What functionality? I actually find Bitwarden AutoFill is better than 1password (when I used it). In true FOSS fashion, its uglier, less intuitive, and the vault sharing is more complex than 1PW though. So people may want to pay 1PW for that.

I posted the first article partly because I thought folks here would be amused by the treatment of LastPass. Sadly, the “lazy writing” label that Apple_Robert used, applies to almost all the password manager recommendation articles I have read.

best article on password recommendation 😉

 

[k.alexander]

I'll give this a shot here as this seems to be a more active thread.
I would like to move away from 1PW Family plan.

Was hoping to move to Apple Passwords. I've been testing APws on iOS 18 and macOS Sequoia. Here are some observations that I posted in the other thread:

ISSUE #1 (And this one seems to be a deal-breaker above all else for me). Trying to figure out how to make it work for me, where I largely manage my own plus 3 other family vaults in 1PW now. Currently I have access to the other 3 family members' vaults. Tried to create Shared Groups in APw, one for each vault/family member, and move their respective pw items into each one. I believe each member of a Shared Group has full view/edit access to anything in that Shared Group.

Problem is that, first you can only put each pw entry into one, and one only, Shared Group, i.e. the shared groups work like folders as opposed to tags. Bigger problem is that even after I do the initial set up, i.e. created a Shared Group for each family member, shared that group with said family member, and moved all of that family member's pws to that group--the problem is that once they go to create a new pw entry, they will just create it (by default) in their own "local," meaning not shared, space, which means that unless and until I get access to their physical device and manually move the new entries into their shared with me group, I won't have access to that new pw entry.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS/SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO WORK AROUND THIS?

ISSUES #2. As a test I exported about 1,300 items from 1PW to APasswords.
I created a few Shared Groups, mind you, for now I am the only member of those groups.
Any or most edits to an item (changing name, username, password) or the action of deleting an item from a Shared Group, locks up the app and takes about 25-45 seconds (I'm on a new MBP M3Pro and fast wifi). Doesn't seem to be happening on items that are not in a Shared Groups. In fact, just moving the roughly 1,000 pw entries to one shared group, of which, again, I am the only member, took 2-3 hours. What the hell?

ISSUE #3. I do miss having things like Credit Cards, Bank Acts, Drivers Licenses, Passports, SS Cards, and to some extent Notes stored in my PW manager. Yes I know, CCs can go into the Safari AutoFill settings area, but it's not as convenient. Also I have extensive notes in most CC and Bank Acct entries in 1PW, I could probably move those to the notes section of the login/pw entry for the same CC or Bank, but it's far less convenient and is frankly a mess. Lastly, I don't have a lot of attachments, but I do have some for things like DL, SS cards, Passports, a few others--not a deal breaker but still.

Mostly if someone has an idea of how to solve ISSUE #1 above, otherwise I think I will be forced to stay with 1PW.

 

[MacBH928]

I'll give this a shot here as this seems to be a more active thread.
I would like to move away from 1PW Family plan.

Was hoping to move to Apple Passwords. I've been testing APws on iOS 18 and macOS Sequoia. Here are some observations that I posted in the other thread:

ISSUE #1 (And this one seems to be a deal-breaker above all else for me). Trying to figure out how to make it work for me, where I largely manage my own plus 3 other family vaults in 1PW now. Currently I have access to the other 3 family members' vaults. Tried to create Shared Groups in APw, one for each vault/family member, and move their respective pw items into each one. I believe each member of a Shared Group has full view/edit access to anything in that Shared Group.

Problem is that, first you can only put each pw entry into one, and one only, Shared Group, i.e. the shared groups work like folders as opposed to tags. Bigger problem is that even after I do the initial set up, i.e. created a Shared Group for each family member, shared that group with said family member, and moved all of that family member's pws to that group--the problem is that once they go to create a new pw entry, they will just create it (by default) in their own "local," meaning not shared, space, which means that unless and until I get access to their physical device and manually move the new entries into their shared with me group, I won't have access to that new pw entry.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS/SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO WORK AROUND THIS?

ISSUES #2. As a test I exported about 1,300 items from 1PW to APasswords.
I created a few Shared Groups, mind you, for now I am the only member of those groups.
Any or most edits to an item (changing name, username, password) or the action of deleting an item from a Shared Group, locks up the app and takes about 25-45 seconds (I'm on a new MBP M3Pro and fast wifi). Doesn't seem to be happening on items that are not in a Shared Groups. In fact, just moving the roughly 1,000 pw entries to one shared group, of which, again, I am the only member, took 2-3 hours. What the hell?

ISSUE #3. I do miss having things like Credit Cards, Bank Acts, Drivers Licenses, Passports, SS Cards, and to some extent Notes stored in my PW manager. Yes I know, CCs can go into the Safari AutoFill settings area, but it's not as convenient. Also I have extensive notes in most CC and Bank Acct entries in 1PW, I could probably move those to the notes section of the login/pw entry for the same CC or Bank, but it's far less convenient and is frankly a mess. Lastly, I don't have a lot of attachments, but I do have some for things like DL, SS cards, Passports, a few others--not a deal breaker but still.

Mostly if someone has an idea of how to solve ISSUE #1 above, otherwise I think I will be forced to stay with 1PW.

You may want to check out Proton Pass:

Secure password sharing | Proton

Share your passwords, notes, and financial details, confident that everything is protected by end-to-end encryption.

proton.me

but I do not see family plans, its like $2/person , so it will cost you like $8 so not sure what the advantage over 1PW. There is bitwarden families which is like $3.3/month but you better test it out because when i tried sharing it was confusing.

 

[k.alexander]

You may want to check out Proton Pass:

Secure password sharing | Proton

Share your passwords, notes, and financial details, confident that everything is protected by end-to-end encryption.

proton.me

but I do not see family plans, its like $2/person , so it will cost you like $8 so not sure what the advantage over 1PW. There is bitwarden families which is like $3.3/month but you better test it out because when i tried sharing it was confusing.

Thanks. I can’t say it’s really the money, but I definitely dislike the whole subscription thing. I was just looking to switch to Apple Passwords bc we do largely live in an Apple world and I’m typically a fan of 1st party products, but APws is just not really there. Although I will say the autofill works pretty smoothly. The APws app is very ehh so far.

I’ll either move the APws or stick with 1Pw. It’s not really worth switching to a different product to save $20 or $30 per year. Was just really hoping that APws would be more polished and a bit more feature rich.

 

[johnkree]

ISSUE #1 Problem is that, first you can only put each pw entry into one, and one only, Shared Group, i.e. the shared groups work like folders as opposed to tags. Bigger problem is that even after I do the initial set up, i.e. created a Shared Group for each family member, shared that group with said family member, and moved all of that family member's pws to that group--the problem is that once they go to create a new pw entry, they will just create it (by default) in their own "local," meaning not shared, space, which means that unless and until I get access to their physical device and manually move the new entries into their shared with me group, I won't have access to that new pw entry.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS/SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO WORK AROUND THIS?

ISSUES #2. I am the only member, took 2-3 hours. What the hell?

ISSUE #3. I do miss having things like Credit Cards, Bank Acts, Drivers Licenses, Passports, SS Cards, and to some extent Notes stored in my PW manager. Yes I know, CCs can go into the Safari AutoFill settings area, but it's not as convenient. Also I have extensive notes in most CC and Bank Acct entries in 1PW, I could probably move those to the notes section of the login/pw entry for the same CC or Bank, but it's far less convenient and is frankly a mess. Lastly, I don't have a lot of attachments, but I do have some for things like DL, SS cards, Passports, a few others--not a deal breaker but still.

@Issue 1:
Your use case seems to be very niche to me. Why would I want to see all the passwords others in my family are creating? It's their privacy. Shared passwords is for stuff you want to share with a group so it's easier for everyone to access, like, if everyone in a family is responsible enough to order with the same Amazon account. I don't think that sharing automatically will be a big thing, ever, for the masses.
It seems to be completely normal for me to automatically create new passwords in my private vault. Sharing by default seems to make everything less secure.

@Issue 2:
I'm having no problems but I never shared that many passwords. Why would I want to share 1300 entries? But then, technically it should be no problem because it's just a matter of seconds because even if every entry has 10 kb, it would be just 13 MB. So... I guess you had some hiccup there.

@Issue 3:
Subscription driven apps have the problem that they need to add features constantly to justify their sub based model. 1Password is selling the promise to have a safe and everything is in this safe. Notes, secret private attachments, personal information,...
Apple doesn't need to go this way to cram many apps into one. They have the luxury to keep everything simple and to have apps for any need.
You can store stuff in Apple notes and put a password on it. It's much more convenient because it offers the functionality of a full fledged notes app.
Or see it that way: The more you dig into a subscription based app, the more you are bound to their subs. It's an ongoing circle till you don't want to switch anymore because you have everything in this app. Having everything in one place is not always a good thing.

 

[k.alexander]

@Issue 1:
Your use case seems to be very niche to me. Why would I want to see all the passwords others in my family are creating? It's their privacy. Shared passwords is for stuff you want to share with a group so it's easier for everyone to access, like, if everyone in a family is responsible enough to order with the same Amazon account. I don't think that sharing automatically will be a big thing, ever, for the masses.
It seems to be completely normal for me to automatically create new passwords in my private vault. Sharing by default seems to make everything less secure.

@Issue 2:
I'm having no problems but I never shared that many passwords. Why would I want to share 1300 entries? But then, technically it should be no problem because it's just a matter of seconds because even if every entry has 10 kb, it would be just 13 MB. So... I guess you had some hiccup there.

@Issue 3:
Subscription driven apps have the problem that they need to add features constantly to justify their sub based model. 1Password is selling the promise to have a safe and everything is in this safe. Notes, secret private attachments, personal information,...
Apple doesn't need to go this way to cram many apps into one. They have the luxury to keep everything simple and to have apps for any need.
You can store stuff in Apple notes and put a password on it. It's much more convenient because it offers the functionality of a full fledged notes app.
Or see it that way: The more you dig into a subscription based app, the more you are bound to their subs. It's an ongoing circle till you don't want to switch anymore because you have everything in this app. Having everything in one place is not always a good thing.

I appreciate the response.

@Issue 1. No need to justify my situation, although I may agree with you that it is niche. In a few words, though, it's actually fairly simple; the three other family members are my wife, and my two aging and not that computer-savvy parents. With the wife, theoretically 😄🤦‍♂️ there are no secrets, and we should have access to each others various accounts as sometimes they are cross-used. With my parents, if I don't manage this stuff for them, it won't exist or be managed in the first place; plus as anyone who has either older parents or non-tech-savvy parents/family members knows -- they will ask you to do the thing on the computer for them 99% of the time. So yeah, I need access to all their logins/pws, otherwise no one keeps track of them, they're not recorded anywhere, not organized, etc. So, yes, maybe a niche situation, but a typical example where Apple never gives you enough flexibility or options/settings; for maybe someone does want all new entries to go to a specific folder or shared group.

@Issues 2. 900+ of those 1300 are personally mine. I put them in a Shared Group (not actually shared with anyone but me), as an analogy to the 1Pw Vaults, and simply so that I can see or filter passwords that are just mine vs the others. Again, this is not the end of the world, if anything I'm just sharing the info with others.

@Issue 3. I hear what you're saying. Still, it is undoubtedly convenient (or maybe I just got used to it), when I need to look up CC # and info, or when I want to look at my notes on that CC (like does it offer rewards, extended warranties, etc.) I have become accustomed, and again it is convenient, to just look up that card and the notes associated with it, in 1PW. Storing Passport/DL/SS/Other Documents, etc. (with scans of those documents) is convenient but something I can surely work around. Same for say Software Licenses--although I dont use that as much. Can I store this stuff in Notes (with password protection)? I guess. Do I think that's the most logical place to store this stuff? I dunno, very questionable.

Like I said, just trying to see if I can jump ship from another subscription to something that's built-in to the devices we use and is free. Still on the fence as to which way I am going to go.

 

[svenmany]

Problem is that, first you can only put each pw entry into one, and one only, Shared Group, i.e. the shared groups work like folders as opposed to tags.

I have no experience with Apple's password program, but it seems like shared groups are the same as 1Password's vaults that can be shared with multiple people. Don't 1Password's vaults have the same limitation you're describing? The vaults are like folders rather than tags; I don't think I can have the same item in multiple vaults.

 

[svenmany]

No need to justify my situation, although I may agree with you that it is niche.

It's not niche at all. I've read posts from many people having the same requirement; I certainly do.

 

[k.alexander]

I have no experience with Apple's password program, but it seems like shared groups are the same as 1Password's vaults that can be shared with multiple people. Don't 1Password's vaults have the same limitation you're describing? The vaults are like folders rather than tags; I don't think I can have the same item in multiple vaults.

Yes, correct, can't have the same items in multiple Vaults (in 1PW) or Shared Groups (in APw).
Which is why I basically created a Shared Group, for each user, including myself even though I am not sharing that group with anyone, basically trying to recreate the structure of 1PW.
There is a bit of difference in that in APw you can have an item in All OR in one of the Shared Groups; so in essence "All" is like another vault.
1PW does have tags and categories also.

 

[MacBH928]

I have no experience with Apple's password program, but it seems like shared groups are the same as 1Password's vaults that can be shared with multiple people. Don't 1Password's vaults have the same limitation you're describing? The vaults are like folders rather than tags; I don't think I can have the same item in multiple vaults.

So i can't like have "wifi password" in my vault and share that entry with my kids? it has to be in a separate vault shared by others?

 

[k.alexander]

So i can't like have "wifi password" in my vault and share that entry with my kids? it has to be in a separate vault shared by others?

Correct. Although the separate WiFi section seems to be completely different from login/passwords section in that I don’t even see a way to share or move that to a different Shared Group or vault or anything. It’s really just a very weird section (essentially a keychain list of WiFi passwords) that no one will ever look at, kind of baffling.

 

[johannnn]

Sorry, but no. Most companies don't host themselves. They use AWS or anything similar. 1Password was using AWS in the past for its cloud as much as I know. So they simply pay a monthly fee. Let's assume it's those 20 TB per month with backup, it's 440$ per month of cost. No cooling cost or anything else.

Let's be very generous and let's say it's double that: 880$ per Month. You get it. You could even quadruple it. It's ridiculous and doesn't justify subs.

The reason 1Password is so expensive is absolutely not because of data hosting.

The reason is they have +1,200 employees that needs salary every month. Yes you read that correctly, they have over a thousand people to create 1 product.

(And what's even more fun is that even with a thousand employees, all they can come up with for macOS is an electron app)

 

[svenmany]

So i can't like have "wifi password" in my vault and share that entry with my kids? it has to be in a separate vault shared by others?

If I have a WiFi password in my own vault, there are a number of ways I can share it with 1Password. I tend to do this by right-clicking on the entry.

• I can select "Duplicate..." and then choose another vault. This makes a copy.
• I can select "Move..." and then choose another vault. This would remove it from my own vault.
• I can select "Share...". This creates a URL which I can share with anyone I want. I can choose how long until it expires and whether it can be used more than once.

There's no way to have the same password appear in multiple vaults without duplicating it. So, if something about the entry changes, one would have to make the change in more than one place.

For example, if I have a password in my vault and I want my daughter to have access to it, I could duplicate it to her vault. The workaround is to create a shared vault and have the item stored only there. Since you can have unlimited number of vaults, it doesn't seem to be a limitation. 1Password has this brilliant thing called "Collections". A Collection is a set of vaults. When you use 1Password in normal password filling activities, you don't select a vault to use, you select a collection. The collection I usually use is my personal vault combined with the shared family vault. In practice, unless I look closely, I can't tell the difference between a password stored in my personal vault from one in the shared family vault. You can create any number of collections and quickly switch between them.

Although the separate WiFi section seems to be completely different from login/passwords section in that I don’t even see a way to share or move that to a different Shared Group or vault or anything.

That's not been my experience. The category I use for WiFi settings is labeled "Wireless Routers". Are you referring to something else when you write "WiFi section"?

 

[gregmac19]

The reason 1Password is so expensive is absolutely not because of data hosting.

Correct. The reason 1Password is as expensive as it is, is that is what the market bears.

 

[k.alexander]

That's not been my experience. The category I use for WiFi settings is labeled "Wireless Routers". Are you referring to something else when you write "WiFi section"?

When I said the "Wi-Fi" section, and in fact that entire post, was talking about Apple Passwords. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[k.alexander]

The reason 1Password is so expensive is absolutely not because of data hosting.

The reason is they have +1,200 employees that needs salary every month. Yes you read that correctly, they have over a thousand people to create 1 product.

(And what's even more fun is that even with a thousand employees, all they can come up with for macOS is an electron app)

AgileBits is expanding or has expanded into Extended Access Management (https://1password.com/product/xam?u...=paid_ad&utm_source=this_week_in_tech_podcast) and appears to be concentrating significantly on that product.

 

[MacBH928]

The reason 1Password is so expensive is absolutely not because of data hosting.

The reason is they have +1,200 employees that needs salary every month. Yes you read that correctly, they have over a thousand people to create 1 product.

(And what's even more fun is that even with a thousand employees, all they can come up with for macOS is an electron app)

i don't know how many developers you need to work on a password manager but IIRC, SafeInCloud, Strongbox, Minimalist, Secrets and Keepass was done by 1 guy. I think a lot of those employees are on marketing and support.

That being said, I don't think 1password is expensive I just do not like the rent-a-software model it will soon expand to other areas and all software will be rented not owned hence I do not support it.

 

[HDFan]

Most companies don't host themselves.

Doesn't change the fact that those costs have to be paid and are reflected in the cost to clients. It is hard to compare AWS costs since there is a huge range.

FSx $13/TB/month (without data deduplication)
EFS $300/TB/month
EBS $15/TB/month

The cost of a 10 TB drive is ~200 retail, probably much less when purchased by a hosting service. In 15 months at the cheapest rate with no data useage charges the drive is paid for and the fees go to pay for the other items in my list. Assuming a disk lasts 5 years the client will have paid $780 in total costs. That's $580 for infrastructure costs and $200 for the disk drive.

In addition to these charges there are throughput and data access fees. The hosting service also has a profit margin which is not included in my list of costs.

A guide to AWS storage cost | TechTarget

Figuring out AWS storage cost can be complex. Explore the many layers that factor into the full price of several types of AWS storage.

www.techtarget.com

 

[johnkree]

No need to justify my situation, although I may agree with you that it is niche. In a few words, though, it's actually fairly simple; the three other family members are my wife, and my two aging and not that computer-savvy parents.

I'm sorry, I didn't want to make you feel like you had to justify yourself. I'm in the same situation, I'm living in a big house with my parents and my wife and kids. My mother is more tech-open but my father is like... the remote of the TV is too complicated so he doesn't watch TV at all or just watches the first two channels.
I couldn't get them to use any password manager at all, it's too complicated and would lead to less security. Both have their small notebooks and have their passwords in them.
It works for them. And they aren't doing anything remotely dangerous like online banking.

At the situation itself: Password sharing with my wife and probably someday with my kids is just sharing, as it is meant to be. But what you want to achieve with your parents is something different. I wouldn't consider this as typically sharing, I guess it's more like you are the admin of your parents. Wouldn't it be easier for you that they have their own shared vault and you have their master passwords / access to their iCloud?
The pro of Apple password is that it just works. They don't need to think about a master password, they unlock everything with FaceID or fingerprint. New passwords are automatically proposed and saved... There are not a 1000 different things to fill in or Watchtower nagging or anything. It's just there ans works. Apple-like.
I mean, Apple keeps stuff simple, that's their thing and that's what they do best.
I don't think that password sharing is something that will help you in that regard.

I have become accustomed, and again it is convenient, to just look up that card and the notes associated with it, in 1PW. Storing Passport/DL/SS/Other Documents, etc. (with scans of those documents) is convenient but something I can surely work around. Same for say Software Licenses--although I dont use that as much. Can I store this stuff in Notes (with password protection)?

I know. When I ditched 1PW 7 because of the many reasons I and others pointed out in this thread I was torn between lost functionality and ugly UIs.
I tried almost every password manager, I even used a CLI one. I started doing stuff differently and noticed that I don't need the password managing a lot. 1Password always had nice to look at UIs but why does a PW manager has to have a beautiful UI? It's not like I have to look at it the whole day. After the initial setup I use it less than once a week. Most of the time I just use the plugin / mini app or whatever. I realized, for myself, that a pw manager is nothing more than a utility and as long as it provides a seamless and good functionality I don't care how it looks. And I realized that there are other apps that are always open, like notes. So I started saving stuff there. Like licenses. And secret notes. It is not a matter of fuctionality. I understand that having everything in one place seems convenient. But then, using just Apple stuff you still have everything in one place, except passwords, they are in another place. Everything else will be handled fine by notes. And notes got so much better recently. Or bear, if you prefer a nicer UI. Convenience is sometimes just confused with habit. But as soon as you start developing a workflow you probably won't miss 1Password top secret notes.

 

[johnkree]

Doesn't change the fact that those costs have to be paid and are reflected in the cost to clients. It is hard to compare AWS costs since there is a huge range.

FSx $13/TB/month (without data deduplication)
EFS $300/TB/month
EBS $15/TB/month

The cost of a 10 TB drive is ~200 retail, probably much less when purchased by a hosting service. In 15 months at the cheapest rate with no data useage charges the drive is paid for and the fees go to pay for the other items in my list. Assuming a disk lasts 5 years the client will have paid $780 in total costs. That's $580 for infrastructure costs and $200 for the disk drive.

In addition to these charges there are throughput and data access fees. The hosting service also has a profit margin which is not included in my list of costs.

A guide to AWS storage cost | TechTarget

Figuring out AWS storage cost can be complex. Explore the many layers that factor into the full price of several types of AWS storage.

www.techtarget.com

What are you talking about? If a company like Agilebits pays for AWS there is a data plan and that's it. They pay for the convenience to not buy a HDD. And if you want to talk about data, how much data do you think a typical user would need? It's not even worth calculating.
Again: Tons of MMOs out there that needs massive data flow can afford 1time payments. Tons of apps with 1time payment or small fees give you the same as Agilebits for a fraction of the price.
Bitwarden: 10$.
Hunt: Showdown: 10$ one time payment, very popular shooter with lots of client side data.
Battlebit
Battlefield
.
.

 

[MacBH928]

1Password always had nice to look at UIs but why does a PW manager has to have a beautiful UI? It's not like I have to look at it the whole day

nice looking UI makes it easier to navigate and use. See keepass toolbar, I can't tell what the icons do. I can't tell whats the little icons next to the title names are supposed to be.

now look at 1password how you can easily tell what everything is

What are you talking about? If a company like Agilebits pays for AWS there is a data plan and that's it. They pay for the convenience to not buy a HDD. And if you want to talk about data, how much data do you think a typical user would need? It's not even worth calculating.
Again: Tons of MMOs out there that needs massive data flow can afford 1time payments. Tons of apps with 1time payment or small fees give you the same as Agilebits for a fraction of the price.
Bitwarden: 10$.
Hunt: Showdown: 10$ one time payment, very popular shooter with lots of client side data.
Battlebit
Battlefield
.
.

+ all the data center costs he mentioned gets split between all the companies hosting at AWS thats why it becomes cheaper than running your own data center.

 

[MacUser09]

nice looking UI makes it easier to navigate and use. See keepass toolbar, I can't tell what the icons do. I can't tell whats the little icons next to the title names are supposed to be.

now look at 1password how you can easily tell what everything is

+ all the data center costs he mentioned gets split between all the companies hosting at AWS thats why it becomes cheaper than running your own data center.

MacBH928. I agree about the UI. That was the one thing that turned me off from Minimalist. A little colour goes a long way in making things easier to see.

 

[berb]

I agree about the UI. That was the one thing that turned me off from Minimalist.

To each their own, I prefer their "minimalist"design.

All I really want is the Apple Password app, but with a password different to the User login.

 

[Apple_Robert]

To each their own, I prefer their "minimalist"design.

All I really want is the Apple Password app, but with a password different to the User login.

Speaking of them…They are working on multi-vault support. I inquired about it 3 months ago.

 

[MacBH928]

MacBH928. I agree about the UI. That was the one thing that turned me off from Minimalist. A little colour goes a long way in making things easier to see.

Maybe it has some art philosophy behind it which I do not know. But if you strip colors out of it, it looks dull like Minimalist on the other hand add too much color and it looks convoluted like KeePass. Same issue with Libreoffice toolbar vs MS Office.

I do not not know how it works but 1password+MS Office has the right color balance to make it pleasing to the eye. At this point I wouldn't blame the developer because I am sure we have crossed in the area where we need a qualified "designer" to give his expertise on how it should look.

Not to hate on the FOSS community, just trying to prove that a good UI goes a long way for usability. I have to say, THANK YOU STEVE JOBS.