1Password migrants thread

[jboyzh]

I'd like to point out a specific issue with secure notes, and searching within them:

I have a couple of very long notes stored in the password apps, and I like to be able to locate specific search terms within those notes quickly.

Although all apps that I know of are able to find a note that contains a given search term, being able to locate the search term in the results is a rare feature.

I found that 1Password on iOS can do it, but for whatever reason not consistently on the Mac. On some notes it works, on some not.

Codebook shines with searching secure notes, on Mac and iOS. I can search within secure notes (shift+command+F), even long ones, and I can jump right to the word/s found (Enter). What’s also nice is that I can type right away, and don’t have to change to edit mode first.

So, Codebook might right now be the only password app I’ve found that gives me full note search capability, if I'm not missing any?

 

[sjlombardo]

Hi All, I'm Stephen with Zetetic, the makers of Codebook. We came across this thread and some recent comments related to changes in Codebook 5. I just wanted to clarify that Codebook Cloud is an optional feature available in Codebook 5. We haven't turned off or changed any of the existing functionality for completely offline databases.

In the interest of transparency, we had a bug on macOS where, if you started the Codebook Cloud sign up process, it would switch the Sync setting to use Codebook Cloud. If you subsequently cancelled the sign up, it wouldn't switch your old setting back. Luckily the fix for that is just to change back to your old Sync service in Preferences (e.g. Dropbox, Google Drive, or Desktop Wifi). This issue has also been fixed in a point release so it won't happen any longer.

In short, we're definitely not trying to force Codebook Cloud on users, but we do hope that folks find it useful, especially that it will automatically and securely keep your devices in sync. We think that the fact that your data remains accessible exclusively on your devices (with you retaining full control of the encryption sync key, which never leaves your devices) is a big plus that prevents Codebook Cloud from being susceptible to many of the vulnerabilities that affect online password managers. We're also looking to add more features to Codebook Cloud like sharing, etc. in the future to make it even better.

I hope that helps explain the situation, and I'm happy to answer any questions folks might have.

 

[MacBH928]

I'd like to point out a specific issue with secure notes, and searching within them:

I have a couple of very long notes stored in the password apps, and I like to be able to locate specific search terms within those notes quickly.

Although all apps that I know of are able to find a note that contains a given search term, being able to locate the search term in the results is a rare feature.

I found that 1Password on iOS can do it, but for whatever reason not consistently on the Mac. On some notes it works, on some not.

Codebook shines with searching secure notes, on Mac and iOS. I can search within secure notes (shift+command+F), even long ones, and I can jump right to the word/s found (Enter). What’s also nice is that I can type right away, and don’t have to change to edit mode first.

So, Codebook might right now be the only password app I’ve found that gives me full note search capability, if I'm not missing any?

looks like you need encrypted notes app not a password app

 

[jboyzh]

looks like you need encrypted notes app not a password app

I do use standard notes, but am otherwise happy with the additional note functionality of password apps.

 

[svenmany]

looks like you need encrypted notes app not a password app

1Password has moved way beyond being a password app. It has so many different categories of things that you might want kept from prying eyes. I use it for the strength of its security and convenience. Even though I've never thought to look for the ability to search in notes, it seems an obvious missing feature.

When I search for something in 1Password, it produces a list of matching items. If one of those items is a note and I select that note, contents matching the search is highlighted in the note. But, once I have the note open and want to study its contents some, searching within the note would be very helpful. And the ability to do it is expected. I was surprised that I couldn't do it.

If I had many notes with content that was as sensitive as my simple passwords, then an encrypted notes app would not meet my security standards. Those who feel an encrypted notes app would be good enough for all of their passwords would feel differently.

 

[MacBH928]

1Password has moved way beyond being a password app. It has so many different categories of things that you might want kept from prying eyes. I use it for the strength of its security and convenience. Even though I've never thought to look for the ability to search in notes, it seems an obvious missing feature.

When I search for something in 1Password, it produces a list of matching items. If one of those items is a note and I select that note, contents matching the search is highlighted in the note. But, once I have the note open and want to study its contents some, searching within the note would be very helpful. And the ability to do it is expected. I was surprised that I couldn't do it.

Most "password" managers are beyond passwords with ability to store notes, credit cards, and such. The notes functionality is just a little extra but if the notes are long enough to need its own search function maybe its not the right type of app.

It could in the future the password managers would be more like a "vault" that you can store anything in it including notes, images, videos, whatever you wish. Scans of IDs come to mind, but personally I rather not deal with a huge vault database.

If I had many notes with content that was as sensitive as my simple passwords, then an encrypted notes app would not meet my security standards. Those who feel an encrypted notes app would be good enough for all of their passwords would feel differently.

I meant separate app for the notes, not use notes app as a password manager

 

[svenmany]

Most "password" managers are beyond passwords with ability to store notes, credit cards, and such. The notes functionality is just a little extra but if the notes are long enough to need its own search function maybe its not the right type of app.

It could in the future the password managers would be more like a "vault" that you can store anything in it including notes, images, videos, whatever you wish. Scans of IDs come to mind, but personally I rather not deal with a huge vault database.

To each their own. I keep some documents in 1Password: screenshots with sensitive information like recovery keys come to mind.

Adding search for notes seems like a trivial addition and would be useful even for shorter notes. But, maybe it's not so trivial without being a bit careless about how it's done. For example, using some third-party widget (even one made by Apple) to make use of its text handling is a risk that has to be carefully managed.

 

[jboyzh]

Most "password" managers are beyond passwords with ability to store notes, credit cards, and such. The notes functionality is just a little extra but if the notes are long enough to need its own search function maybe its not the right type of app.

It could in the future the password managers would be more like a "vault" that you can store anything in it including notes, images, videos, whatever you wish. Scans of IDs come to mind, but personally I rather not deal with a huge vault database.

If a basic password manager, say Apple Passwords, only lets me store login data, I use it as such, all fine. Yet if another password app offers so much more, I'm starting to use the functionality it offers. Which is, in my case, storing data also in the form of notes. So the little extra becomes more important to me. And new things arise, such as searching.

For a year, I've been keeping Standard Notes on par with 1Password - and I still do, just to see in which direction it goes - but I now mostly use 1PW (SN is not unlockable via Touch ID on Mac, lacks deep search on iOS, and 1PW handles my notes well).

A (more full featured) password app offers advantages over a note app to me: All I need to be secured goes into one app - logins, notes, and a few PDFs/JPGs. So yes, the password manager has become more like a vault to me than just a storage for logins.

 

[MacBH928]

I just tried to search a text in a not in Bitwarden iOS and it did not find it. It only search the entry "title" . I can see how this is problematic. Enpass can find it but you have to select "search fields" option first. Bitwarden extension on Firefox did find. None of them though seem to do search within the notes itself once you open it.

To each their own. I keep some documents in 1Password: screenshots with sensitive information like recovery keys come to mind.

Adding search for notes seems like a trivial addition and would be useful even for shorter notes. But, maybe it's not so trivial without being a bit careless about how it's done. For example, using some third-party widget (even one made by Apple) to make use of its text handling is a risk that has to be carefully managed.

I am not against it, I just can see how the developers have it on extremely low priority. They are probably busy with implement something like Passkeys now.

If a basic password manager, say Apple Passwords, only lets me store login data, I use it as such, all fine. Yet if another password app offers so much more, I'm starting to use the functionality it offers. Which is, in my case, storing data also in the form of notes. So the little extra becomes more important to me. And new things arise, such as searching.

For a year, I've been keeping Standard Notes on par with 1Password - and I still do, just to see in which direction it goes - but I now mostly use 1PW (SN is not unlockable via Touch ID on Mac, lacks deep search on iOS, and 1PW handles my notes well).

A (more full featured) password app offers advantages over a note app to me: All I need to be secured goes into one app - logins, notes, and a few PDFs/JPGs. So yes, the password manager has become more like a vault to me than just a storage for logins.

I just looked it up and Bitwarden Premium can indeed store files. Didn't know that was a possibility.

 

[jboyzh]

I just tried to search a text in a not in Bitwarden iOS and it did not find it. It only search the entry "title" . I can see how this is problematic. Enpass can find it but you have to select "search fields" option first. Bitwarden extension on Firefox did find. None of them though seem to do search within the notes itself once you open it.

I found searching within notes to be working the best with Codebook, which I got to know only recently. After some time getting to know the whole app, and comparing it to 1Password, Minimalist, and Standard Notes, call me impressed. Codebook has fairly all I'd expect from a full featured password manager (and then something from a secure notes app). Let me share my thoughts on these apps:

Codebook
Next to the ability to store logins and data with customizable fields, it can also work with note entries, PDFs and images. The note entries can be edited right away without hitting edit first - a small but welcome detail. Editing notes is quick and easy, even with larger notes. The ability to search within notes is a plus. It has fairly comprehensive CSV import and export capabilities. It comes in a free version (Google, Dropbox, Wifi, Local sync) that can be upgraded to a paid cloud sync service. The cloud syncing works reliably so far. Autofill works. Both the Mac and iPhone apps I’ve tried seem to be quite polished and clean, it also works on Win and Android.

Minimalist
Looks clean, and works fast - but longer notes slow it down on Mac. Has very good import, export (CSV), and manual and automatic backup features, which I see as a big plus. It doesn’t let me search for terms within notes (yet). It works on Mac, and iOS, and I like its unique, easy to use and clean touch.

1Password
I like the zoomable desktop, and it looks nice to my eyes, if not a little bit cluttered. It also has a good tags management. It will only let me export the whole database as 1PUX, not CSV (I'm aware there's some converter available, which I think is a bit cumbersome). Search within notes doesn’t always work on Mac, and I can only edit notes after hitting edit (it jumps to the top of the note then before I can write).

Standard Notes
While not a password manager, I store all my secure notes in it, and it works quite well. The export generates individual notes, not CSV (which I think is fine for a notes app). Searching on Mac is good, on iPhone it won’t let me search within notes. The Mac app doesn’t work with Touch ID.

 

[svenmany]

I subscribed to Proton Unlimited, for reasons unrelated to password management. Out of curiosity I took a look at Proton Pass.

I haven't found a way to turn off dark mode. Does anyone know if this is possible and how to do it?

 

[jboyzh]

I subscribed to Proton Unlimited, for reasons unrelated to password management. Out of curiosity I took a look at Proton Pass.

I haven't found a way to turn off dark mode. Does anyone know if this is possible and how to do it?

Interesting find. After checking both web app and Mac app, I also found no way to turn off dark mode (web and app). I can only change themes in the Proton Mail web app, but that doesn't change the theme in Proton Pass web.

 

[svenmany]

Interesting find. After checking both web app and Mac app, I also found no way to turn off dark mode (web and app). I can only change themes in the Proton Mail web app, but that doesn't change the theme in Proton Pass web.

So, my eyesight challenges make Proton Pass unusable.

From my review of some Proton apps (desktop Mail, Drive, and Pass), I would say they have a way to go before I'd give them high marks. But, I am happy with the web browser mail and VPN, which were the main things I was purchasing.

 

[Pag46]

So, my eyesight challenges make Proton Pass unusable.

From my review of some Proton apps (desktop Mail, Drive, and Pass), I would say they have a way to go before I'd give them high marks. But, I am happy with the web browser mail and VPN, which were the main things I was purchasing.

I use Proton Pass in “light” mode, i.e. with dark mode switched off, on iOS at least.
User icon -> settings -> theme

The web app is in dark mode by default and I haven’t tried to change it yet.

 

[jboyzh]

So, my eyesight challenges make Proton Pass unusable.

From my review of some Proton apps (desktop Mail, Drive, and Pass), I would say they have a way to go before I'd give them high marks. But, I am happy with the web browser mail and VPN, which were the main things I was purchasing.

Yes, I can imagine, and hope a light theme will be added for the Mac. I agree, Pass is not yet on the same level as web mail and VPN. Proton Mail Bridge works well here, though. I generally do like Proton, and keep my fingers crossed.

I use Proton Pass in “light” mode, i.e. with dark mode switched off, on iOS at least.
User icon -> settings -> theme

The web app is in dark mode by default and I haven’t tried to change it yet.

I didn't know about this iOS setting, thanks.

 

[MNGR]

came here to see if there was a surge of interest in iOS18 / Passwords app - I upgraded iPhone / iPad / Macbook last night & saw that Passwords will import a CSV file.

anyone moving?

I am still using my old 1PW. Over time will switch to Apple Password

 

[svenmany]

What's the story with all those password entries in Apple's Password app that say "never saved"? I didn't put them there intentionally.

 

[gregmac19]

What's the story with all those password entries in Apple's Password app that say "never saved"? I didn't put them there intentionally.

Howdy stranger,

You must be new in these parts. I wrote about this issue in post #2,041:

“Problem 3: I need to have Apple AutoFill enabled to automatically fill fields when using Codebook with Safari. However, this means that Password will occasionally prompt me to save passwords when I have no desire to save them in Password. Even when I decline to save the passwords, it often creates an entry in Password and labels it “Never Saved.” So besides re-deleting reappearing password entries, I end up spending time deleting “Never Saved” entries.”

 

[svenmany]

Howdy stranger,

You must be new in these parts. I wrote about this issue in post #2,041:

“Problem 3: I need to have Apple AutoFill enabled to automatically fill fields when using Codebook with Safari. However, this means that Password will occasionally prompt me to save passwords when I have no desire to save them in Password. Even when I decline to save the passwords, it often creates an entry in Password and labels it “Never Saved.” So besides re-deleting reappearing password entries, I end up spending time deleting “Never Saved” entries.”

I guess you're saying that I accidentally had auto fill turned on. I have a bunch of such entries. It's kind of hard to imagine that I kept battling with it, constantly saying "no, don't save".

I'll delete them all and see of some stuff comes back.

 

[MacBH928]

check this out.

Password manager stored on the block chain!

DATAMASK

Secure your digital life with DATAMASK, the leading data privacy app. Protect your personal information and maintain your privacy online. Try DATAMASK today!

datamask.app

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If any one brave enough to test it, please report back

 

[MacBH928]

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[svenmany]

check this out.

Password manager stored on the block chain!

DATAMASK

Secure your digital life with DATAMASK, the leading data privacy app. Protect your personal information and maintain your privacy online. Try DATAMASK today!

datamask.app

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If any one brave enough to test it, please report back

I went to their website. Where do you see mention of their using a blockchain?

 

[MacBH928]

I went to their website. Where do you see mention of their using a blockchain?

you seem to be right. There is misunderstanding and confusion on my part. This is what I gathered via AI:

IPDW (InterPlanetary Data Wallet) is a JavaScript library designed for securely storing personal or user data in a distributed manner. It enables the creation of a decentralized network (Web 4.0) that functions offline, leveraging peer-to-peer (P2P) interactions and database-less backends. Key features include:

• Decentralized Storage: Data is stored using block-based technology, ensuring scalability and integrity.
• P2P Communication: Direct data exchange between users without intermediaries, enhancing security and efficiency.

it seems like its using block chain technology for offline usage using a javascript library called IPDW. Things are starting to sound Hieroglyphic to me. If someone can explain it to us in layman terms. I think the blockchain part is where you get their "diamond" subscription that backs up to decentralized data storage:

DATAMASK

Secure your digital life with DATAMASK, the leading data privacy app. Protect your personal information and maintain your privacy online. Try DATAMASK today!

datamask.app

One thing that is shocking is they are asking for $20/Month which is astronomical price and I am not sure who is willing to pay that.

 

[svenmany]

you seem to be right. There is misunderstanding and confusion on my part. This is what I gathered via AI:



it seems like its using block chain technology for offline usage using a javascript library called IPDW. Things are starting to sound Hieroglyphic to me. If someone can explain it to us in layman terms. I think the blockchain part is where you get their "diamond" subscription that backs up to decentralized data storage:

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DATAMASK

Secure your digital life with DATAMASK, the leading data privacy app. Protect your personal information and maintain your privacy online. Try DATAMASK today!

datamask.app

One thing that is shocking is they are asking for $20/Month which is astronomical price and I am not sure who is willing to pay that.

Thanks for that.

Seems like that library is a product of the same company, since the library lists one use case, DATAMASK.

Someone would have to explain to me why blockchain storage is useful for storing one's own passwords (or even a family's passwords). I do understand the Bitcoin blockchain. It's about the authenticated evolution of data (my words). I don't see how that applies to my passwords.

Maybe they just want replication and secure way to handle it. It seems crazy that an end user would care about the technology of back-end storage and how data is replicated, let alone choosing a particular blockchain for storage.

They seem to offer the use of one of three blockchains. They have to pay those blockchain providers and pass the cost on to their subscribers.

I wouldn't touch it without a ton of research. I seriously doubt that I would ever have any confidence in the product.

 

[bsmr]

For me I'm still thinking about switching away from 1Password to something else.

Tried Proton Pass which I don't. Tried Strongboxsafe which is nice but has it's quirks...
Apple Passwords.app is kind of feature-less.

But yesterday I tried https://apps.apple.com/us/app/access-passwords-companion/id6469049274

This one looks quite good - any experience from someone out there?