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And this is happening: new 1Password update for iOS 15 doesn't work for standalone vaults, only subscriptions.
I installed iOS 15 and then checked the apps update in the App Store. I updated all apps, including 1Password, to version 7.8. There was nothing mentioned in the release notes that it won't work on iPhone without 1Password subscriptions. That's so annoying!! Basically, that means 1Password in iPhone is now useless because you'd have to copy and paste passwords from the app. There's no way to fill any fields on any websites using Safari
EDIT: After checking other users complaining about that on the 1Password Forums, I found that the only way to restore its functionality (not sure if fully) is to enable AutoFill in iPhone's Settings. Much more convenient for me (and I reckon other users too) was to use the Share button at the bottom of Safari window.
Also, 1Password developers admitted that they're planning to drop support for standalone vaults in the future updates... "Standalone vaults is one of the features that needed to be left behind. As such 1Password 7 will be the last version of 1Password to support standalone vaults."
https://1password.community/discussion/comment/602340/#Comment_602340
Ouch. And I just downloaded this.. Thankfully, I still use iTunes 12.6.5.3 (the last version with the App Store), so I can restore the previous version (7.7.8), which I just may have to do, especially if I had updated my iPad (which I didn't).
This then also makes me wonder if I should update my iPhone, because I wonder about losing access to my vault on it, even with iOS 14.8 (minimum requirement for version 7.8 is iOS 12.2).
That's one of the main reasons many of us were upset.
Agreed. This is now effectively forcing everyone's hand here.
BL.
And this is happening: new 1Password update for iOS 15 doesn't work for standalone vaults, only subscriptions.
I installed iOS 15 and then checked the apps update in the App Store. I updated all apps, including 1Password, to version 7.8. There was nothing mentioned in the release notes that it won't work on iPhone without 1Password subscriptions. That's so annoying!! Basically, that means 1Password in iPhone is now useless because you'd have to copy and paste passwords from the app. There's no way to fill any fields on any websites using Safari
EDIT: After checking other users complaining about that on the 1Password Forums, I found that the only way to restore its functionality (not sure if fully) is to enable AutoFill in iPhone's Settings. Much more convenient for me (and I reckon other users too) was to use the Share button at the bottom of Safari window.
Also, 1Password developers admitted that they're planning to drop support for standalone vaults in the future updates... "Standalone vaults is one of the features that needed to be left behind. As such 1Password 7 will be the last version of 1Password to support standalone vaults."
https://1password.community/discussion/comment/602340/#Comment_602340
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That's one of the main reasons many of us were upset.
I used to love Agilebits for the beautiful GUI, "just works" app, and support on the forums. They have turned completely evil with dark patterns. I wish the worst on them and to turn into a MySpace.
I figured how to work the EnPass plugin, I wish AgileBits to be ruined. They withdrew license options even when they are hidden, stopped our apps from working, and even if we will subscribe they force us to use their servers. Money corrupts!
Nah. Not even for free.
I could not trust my data with a company that behaves as Agile Bits have with done of late with 1Password.... once you let the venture capital money in .... thats that.
Anyway, there are lots of decent alternatives as this thread shows.
Just use one of them, turn your back on 1Password, as they have done with you, and get on with your life.
How do you know they are actually losing customers?
Oh boy. So much in this thread that it’s hard to know where to start so I will just take some of the posts that caught my eye:
It’s easy to support native when you are a 1 man shop and perhaps not cross platform. But how reliable will that 1 man operation be in the future? They could get an accident and be in a coma or worse. They get get bored and just stop developing the product. I’ve seen that happen before. One man shops might be good for a game app, but not a product you and perhaps other family members need to rely on for many years to come.
Now, one can make the case as many have here that using the cloud is by it’s nature insecure, and I get that. But It seems like AgileBits has taken great pains to keep things secure three different ways: encryption, your MasterPassword and the additional secret key. Someone could say that’s still not enough and it’s too tempting for hackers, but yet the company has never been hacked. That tells me they are putting a strong effort in security. But I get that for some people that will never be enough and they will always worry about “what if” scenarios. Yet these same people want to store things on icloud or dropbox or whatever. 🤷♂️
I think as this thread demonstrates, there is no perfect solution here. Small one man operations are unlikely to deliver the features people want, may not be cross platform, and may not be around long. Big companies may be around long, cross platform, and be able to roll out features quickly because of the size of their team, but that comes at a cost, quite literally, in the form of subscription models to sustain all that, and cloud services some people don’t want to trust.
It would be nice if Apple had a better developed product than keychain, but then it still wouldn’t be cross platform and you are still relying on a cloud of some sort to get things to multiple devices or users. And who knows....with Apple’s OWN reliance on software as services lately, I wouldn’t put it past them to put such improvements behind a subscription paywall themselves.
It’s easy to support native when you are a 1 man shop and perhaps not cross platform. But how reliable will that 1 man operation be in the future? They could get an accident and be in a coma or worse. They get get bored and just stop developing the product. I’ve seen that happen before. One man shops might be good for a game app, but not a product you and perhaps other family members need to rely on for many years to come.
True. But if you have non-tech types in your family like I do, stuff needs to be SUPER simple for them. I always approach things from the point of “What if something happened to me and I was no longer around, could they figure it out?”. The answer to that question is almost always going to be no, so they need as much help from others as they can get. Backups in multiple redundant places? LOL, yeah right. That’s not going to happen. So for a person like me with non tech savvy people, cloud solutions, even with the risk they can introduce, are still the better option.
Ironically, just by having a bank account, you have trusted someone else to hold your actual money.
Uh...no. 1password doesn’t have visiabilty to all that. I suppose one could say they are lying, but they would then have to prove their case since they are the ones making the allegations.
Not similar. T-Mobile didn’t shut down their service just because they had a breach. Although really the comparisons are even worse when you consider that T-mobile is a phone company, while AgileBits is a security based company. Their whole product is security. T-Mobile’s product is phone calls and mobile data access and selling you a phone. Completely different businesses. Security is more of a tacked on thing because they have to at T-mobile, and it shows. They rather be just selling you plans and phones. Whereas 1password is selling security. That’s the whole point of their product.
Now, one can make the case as many have here that using the cloud is by it’s nature insecure, and I get that. But It seems like AgileBits has taken great pains to keep things secure three different ways: encryption, your MasterPassword and the additional secret key. Someone could say that’s still not enough and it’s too tempting for hackers, but yet the company has never been hacked. That tells me they are putting a strong effort in security. But I get that for some people that will never be enough and they will always worry about “what if” scenarios. Yet these same people want to store things on icloud or dropbox or whatever. 🤷♂️
I think as this thread demonstrates, there is no perfect solution here. Small one man operations are unlikely to deliver the features people want, may not be cross platform, and may not be around long. Big companies may be around long, cross platform, and be able to roll out features quickly because of the size of their team, but that comes at a cost, quite literally, in the form of subscription models to sustain all that, and cloud services some people don’t want to trust.
It would be nice if Apple had a better developed product than keychain, but then it still wouldn’t be cross platform and you are still relying on a cloud of some sort to get things to multiple devices or users. And who knows....with Apple’s OWN reliance on software as services lately, I wouldn’t put it past them to put such improvements behind a subscription paywall themselves.
I don't think so, people do not change especially when they rely on something. I am afraid to say how old my microsoft account is. I wish they would abandon them though.
Agilebits is officially even and follows dark patterns to me. They are equivalent to FB now.
-Banks are heavily regulated, if they lose your money the government will lynch them. If a website loses your data via breach, its just the old "oooopsy!"
-Its true there is no 1:1 alternative to 1Password but EnPass is very very close. I am surprised when I see 500 Linux distros and not 1 FOSS 1Password similar app. KeeWeb has an attempt.
It’s true that banks are heavily regulated but I am referring to a national crisis situation where both the banks AND the government cannot do anything about your lost money. And yet, people still trust their money to a third party anyway.
Enpass might be close, but it still has that Electron problem that some don’t like, right?
It does, yes. That's been an issue for most, as they are also wanting a native app.
BL.
I wanted to give mSecure a chance but looks dead . Dead forums, dead twitter, account, dead blog, dead app updates.
Can't trust your password life with such low effort commitment
Are you sure EnPass is Electron?
Can't trust your password life with such low effort commitment
Are you sure EnPass is Electron?
Password managers are awesome and recommended everywhere, but I've always had this nagging fear in the back of my mind about what a centralized goldmine they could be to hackers, who have proven way more diligent, relentless and resourceful than corporations. Thus, always loved 1P's standalone-vault capability. Now I've grown to enjoy its functionality so, I feel real conflict. But in my heart, switching seems like the smarter thing to do. For now, sticking with V7 as long as I can.
Is no one seriously here talking about BitWarden? Cross platform, generous free plan and works really well.
I made the switch when LastPass showed the middle finger to all of their customer base by brutally nerfing the free plan and have yet to look back.
I made the switch when LastPass showed the middle finger to all of their customer base by brutally nerfing the free plan and have yet to look back.
??? I've mentioned it several times and said that's what I switched to.
Hmmmm.....there seems to be a lot of confusion out there on this issue. I have seen references by users on various places on the internet saying it does, however there is a very recent post by an enpass team member saying it doesn’t when someone asked:
Now, I have seen a number of post raising some security concerns with the other third party tools they have relied on in the past, but electron does not seem to be one of them and I don’t even know if those issues raised earlier even exist anymore. So I am not quite sure what to think about enpass at the moment. There doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of info to dig into compared to say, 1password. I don’t know if that is because of transparency issues or just less users or what. But I do know info seems harder to come by.
I might give Bitwarden another chance, although I wish it looked like KeeWeb.info . Remember guys to donate to your favorite FOSS projects, they are free but if you want to continues development money is needed. No such thing as free lunch.
Evil capitalist will turn into Google and Agilebits
BitWarden has been mentioned many times as one of the better alternatives.
Evil capitalist will turn into Google and Agilebits
BitWarden has been mentioned many times as one of the better alternatives.
Agree. I subscribed to Bitwarden Premium because I wanted some of the premium features and wanted to support them.
This thread has made me think. I've been a Lastpass subscriber for years. I've liked it. So I started doing some research and am wondering if anyone has tried sticky password. Supports on device DB, Cloud sync is an option. So is wifi sync. Can run on Mac, Windows, iOS, and Android. Browser plugins for every major browser and then some. Import /export. Free version and subscription model but they have a lifetime subscription too. And you can buy the lifetime elsewhere for a good deal less than what they sell it for.
I'm tempted to try it. Just wondering if anyone else has looked.
www.stickypassword.com
I'm tempted to try it. Just wondering if anyone else has looked.
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For those who like 1Password but do not want to expose their data to AgileBits servers or do not want to subscribe to their software, they are seeking a poll about self hosting interest for 1Password. If interested please express your interest and hopefully it will make a difference in their approach.
survey.1password.com
Self-hosted 1Password kick-starter | 1Password
After the behaviour of 1P Agile bits there is no way in hell I would be putting my vote to plead with these people to let me keep control of my own data.For those who like 1Password but do not want to expose their data to AgileBits servers or do not want to subscribe to their software, they are seeking a poll about self hosting interest for 1Password. If interested please express your interest and hopefully it will make a difference in their approach.
Self-hosted 1Password kick-starter | 1Password
I'd almost argue the opposite. This is at least telling their disgruntled customers that they are listening and are willing to put up an alternative. However, the issue here is how trustworthy, feature rich, and customizable that alternative would be. The biggest concern is whether they are offering this as a consolation prize for the features they have removed, and if the cost of this consolation is worth it. If it isn't, then that will upset more users, especially those who are on the bubble between possibly again and never again.
BL.
They aint listening.
Folk have been posting their needs concerns and hopes on Agilebit forum for the last few years. In every instance the requests have met with condescending responses "if only you understood you would see this is the best way"
So, yeah, sure:
- Your data can be kept only on the developers server
- No local vaults
- No icloud, dropbox or any other support
- Reduced security with Electron app
- Reduced performance
- Poorer user experience
- subscription only
No export ability. stop paying and loose your data.
Yes, lets plead with them on their "survey"
Not a chance.
Folk have been posting their needs concerns and hopes on Agilebit forum for the last few years. In every instance the requests have met with condescending responses "if only you understood you would see this is the best way"
So, yeah, sure:
- Your data can be kept only on the developers server
- No local vaults
- No icloud, dropbox or any other support
- Reduced security with Electron app
- Reduced performance
- Poorer user experience
- subscription only
No export ability. stop paying and loose your data.
Yes, lets plead with them on their "survey"
Not a chance.
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Not for nothing, but if they weren't listening, they wouldn't put anything out. They would have said nothing, or "screw them all, their opinion doesn't matter", and just kept going. Instead, they have responded, and that can't be taken away from them.
I get all of that, and I'm just as upset about those as you are. I mean, I'm stuck for as long as Rosetta 2 works, and when Apple pulls that, I'm stuck forever, but if AgileBits puts out something that we possibly can have control over, it would be the proverbial looking at the gift in the horses mouth if that offering isn't at least entertained. We'd lose nothing in that, as the alternatives will continue to be available.
BL.