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I actually feel I gained features by switching. I like Bitwarden's autofill better and I can actually choose to see my large master password as I'm typing it.
Most of them have already been mentioned here. Still a nice list:
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Fully agreed. Started using Minimalist a couple of weeks ago, and easy decision to switch. I only have Apple devices, so works well for my needs.
I recently jumped onto the family bandwagon as I realised I was going to keep buying the standalone licences otherwise and then have to pay Dropbox every time I needed to add/remove a device (eg new PC, reformat PC, new phone/tablet, etc). Given my wife and my parents needed a password manager, I could see the value proposition for 1Password families since we could all have our own private vaults, and I could also help manage/access my parents vaults if needed. That being said, I'm a bit disappointed to hear that a company which has been so closely associated with Apple in the past is not going to be creating a native/efficient app for Mac OS X going forward - and I wonder if I'm better off sticking with 1Password 7 which seems to work well enough.
At this point, you would be better off with 1Password 7.
Seeing that both your wife and parents need a password manager, it would do triple the damage to you if AgileBits' servers were to be compromised, as 1Password 8 would force you to store your vaults on their servers, not anything local that you, your wife, nor your parents may have. That is actually the biggest concern, especially regarding privacy and passwords.
You will still have that ability (local vaults) with 1Password 7, and if you still have the standalone licenses, you're in the best position, especially since AgileBits has Silicon-native versions of 1Password 7 available, along with Intel versions. If you're on Silicon, you can keep using those for as long as your Mac lives (like I said earlier in this thread, I'm on 8 years of a standalone license for 1Password 5 and 1Password 6) on a 10 year old MBA, and it's still going strong.
BL.
Everyone seems to like Minimalist, I guess if they were multiplatform I would jump on the ship too. But I don't get why Minimilist and not Strongbox since Strongbox is older in the game and seems closer to 1P.
I do not know about electron but they have local sync now. No one is testing EnPass looks like I have to be the one.
I do not know about electron but they have local sync now. No one is testing EnPass looks like I have to be the one.
can i setp the autofill password key shortcut to cmd+\ in Bitwarden and does it fill in the fields or it will bring up a popup asking me to click on the account and then it will fill the fields?
The problem everyone had with Strongbox was portability of data if you had multiple vaults for sharing between family or a company, plus any compatibility with non-Apple products. That's left a couple of people on the bubble.
Good to know that they have local sync now. That meets one of my requirements.
Even better. This shows that they are committed to active development by staying with a more recent language that Apple uses. Makes me wonder what the Windows version is coded in. A con, though not a dealbreaker for me, is that Enpass is not OSS. If the Linux binary isn't stripped, I may see what libraries it needs (I'm guessing they compiled it statically).
BL.
One size doesn't fit all, and that's great you were able to find something that better fits your needs. I did try and use Bitwarden, but I found it failed to align with how I wanted something to work
- I'm not 100% certain but I don't believe you can remap the shortcut to different keys.
- There's no popup. If the right account wasn't autofilled then you just hit the shortcut again and it will fill the next account for that website.
Definitely true!
I gave EnPass a test run and its the nearest thing to 1Password even with the shortcuts. It actually tries to be 1Password as much as possible. But its not as polished and issue free as 1Password.
I am most amazed that there is no solution out there that is 1:1 to 1Password , if they exist they are subscription too like maybe LastPass or DashLane which I didn't try.
Why some password managers won't allow cmd+\ as a universal autofill shortcut. Bitwarden and KeePassXC do not. 1Password and EnPass do.
1password you hit the shortcut once, and it even fills the password on the next page(some sites have username on one and password on second)
I am most amazed that there is no solution out there that is 1:1 to 1Password , if they exist they are subscription too like maybe LastPass or DashLane which I didn't try.
Why some password managers won't allow cmd+\ as a universal autofill shortcut. Bitwarden and KeePassXC do not. 1Password and EnPass do.
1password you hit the shortcut once, and it even fills the password on the next page(some sites have username on one and password on second)
I am wondering if KeeWeb + KeePassium on mobile combination can work. I tried KeePassCX was horrible for me
That's the cool thing about the list you posted. Since the bulk of them - if not all of them - are OSS, let alone FOSS, you'd have different combinations to try.. and the only thing that would be left to satisfy is functionality and cosmetics.
BL.
Unfortunately I meant I jumped on the 1password families (subscription) option when I decided not to buy the standalone version of 7 again (I already bought it on Windows previously). Dropbox is about $17/mth each time I want to add/remove devices so it didn't make sense to keep paying that each time, and that's just for me as a single user. I actually own a standalone licence for Mac but that was version 3 or 4 (bought it back in 2013 or 14 when I was last using a MacBook).
I don't mind paying for families nowadays since there's a few users on it so it's spread out, but it would annoy me if the 1Password 8 app on Mac went backwards and I was forced to upgrade/update even when I'm happy with the performance and integration of 7.
Sorry, I thought you were asking about the scenario when you have multiple accounts for the same website.
You should be okay still on 7, subscription, standalone, or otherwise. The only part that will tick you off with 1Password 8 is that your passwords now have to be stored on 1Password's servers, not anywhere you want them to be. And should you go up to 1Password 8, you will more than likely lose access to those passwords should you cancel your subscription (AgileBits hasn't said what would happen with this, but a cancelled subscription is a cancelled subscription, so you would lose access to what you previously subscribed to).
However, with you being on 1Password 7, and a subscription for those, they may sunset that, forcing you to go to 1Password 8. This is where the benefit of standalone licenses would come in. What happens with a 1Password 7 subscription is a good question...
BL.
@jace88 @bradl in the short term you probably right.
But the issues with staying on 1Password 7 (as is the case for many applications that the developer ceases to support) will become:
1/ Any problems with the application will (in all probability) not be patched. The frequent application software patches cease. Vendor support becomes a discussion demanding that you upgrade to the supported app.
2/ Operation System updates (iOS, macOS, windows 10) will, probably sooner rather than later, mean that the 1P version 7 app is not compatible with the new OS. ( As an aside, some developers use Apple and Microsoft OS upgrades as an excuse to walk away from existing apps and their problems, demand users give up existing features (no longer supported ... its not our fault) etc (Sonos is a prime example)
You could keep using v7 and not upgrade the device OS. But thats not too good an idea given the security patches of the OS you deny yourself.
Best bet is to take your time, export all your data, transfer to another password manager run it in parallel to test it so your happy everything is working before committing to using it as your new production password manager.
bradl's comment ".....but a cancelled subscription is a cancelled subscription, so you would lose access to what you previously subscribed to" is really notable. I had not considered that.
But the issues with staying on 1Password 7 (as is the case for many applications that the developer ceases to support) will become:
1/ Any problems with the application will (in all probability) not be patched. The frequent application software patches cease. Vendor support becomes a discussion demanding that you upgrade to the supported app.
2/ Operation System updates (iOS, macOS, windows 10) will, probably sooner rather than later, mean that the 1P version 7 app is not compatible with the new OS. ( As an aside, some developers use Apple and Microsoft OS upgrades as an excuse to walk away from existing apps and their problems, demand users give up existing features (no longer supported ... its not our fault) etc (Sonos is a prime example)
You could keep using v7 and not upgrade the device OS. But thats not too good an idea given the security patches of the OS you deny yourself.
Best bet is to take your time, export all your data, transfer to another password manager run it in parallel to test it so your happy everything is working before committing to using it as your new production password manager.
bradl's comment ".....but a cancelled subscription is a cancelled subscription, so you would lose access to what you previously subscribed to" is really notable. I had not considered that.
Oh, this part is definitely true. However, because they demand that you upgrade to the supported app to get support doesn't mean that you have to upgrade to it. I mean, I'm still on 1Password 6 because it still works for me and suits the purposes that I have. And even the last release they had out for it still contained security patches. Right now, it falls under the 'security by obscurity' phase, because as they've dropped it and have most other people either on 1P7 or 1P8, no-one is really looking for exploits for it.
The good part here is that unless libraries change (which is the key part) or libraries that the binary needs are not available (if not compiled statically), the application will continue to work due to the architecture of the CPU. 1Password 6 and 1Password 7 will continue to work on my mid-2011 MBA, because it was compiled as 64bit on the x86_84 architecture. If the CPU architecture changes (for example, Silicon), a x86_64 (Intel/AMD CPU architecture) won't work, as the architecture is incompatible for the binary application. The data will still work, but the program will not.
And if the library changes, it also may not work. That is why my iPad mini 4 is still on IOS 10.3.3; I have apps that I like to use (old games) that still use 32bit libraries, and anything iOS 11 or newer removes those, as it was the first iOS to be fully 64bit.
But to have iPassword 6 still work for me for 5-6 years after starting with 1Password 3, all on the same hardware, and across 6 revisions of MacOS says a lot. the iOS app is the latest on my iPhone and still works as well, and that's going from iOS 4 up to 14.
You can use v7 and upgrade the OS. See above. I went from Lion up to Sierra with 1Password 3 through 6, and I'm still going strong. In fact, I put 1Password 6 on when Mavericks was out. I'm on Sierra now, and the only reason I'm on Sierra, is because High Sierra was very unstable on my MBA, and then they dropped support for my Mac after High Sierra.
Agreed here. That's what I'm planning to do. However, I'm going to do that when I get a new Mac, hence why I am waiting until the next models come out. but I have to say that after rebuilding windows and Linux boxes for personal use every other year, having my Mac run strong for 10 years without a single need of repair is amazing.
Exactly. This is why the ability to have local vaults and standalone licenses are important. We should be in charge of our data, not anyone else, especially if it comes to that 3rd party being compromised, or any legal issues.
BL.
I am afraid I have failed to find a 1password alternative that sells a license and does a local vault storage. Most important to me that cmd+\ auto file shortcut which has more finger gymanstics using something like Bitwarden (cmd+shift+L) .
EnPass is close but I think its buggy and the developers do not seem as enthusiastic. Other options are Apple ecosystem only. Will have to keep using 1password7 for now.
EnPass is close but I think its buggy and the developers do not seem as enthusiastic. Other options are Apple ecosystem only. Will have to keep using 1password7 for now.
I'm telling you if you try it for a few days the shortcut is not a big deal at all. At least it wasn't for me.
I am using 1 Password for years and I might have accepted the subskriptio, but I will never ever store my paswords in the cloud. Sure, it sounds save, but people make mistakes and one day this mistake might send my password and key to the server as well.
This happened before, a few years ago I had a device that send my WLAN password to the server of the manufacturer. Allegedly because someone forgot to turn off a debug flag.
I have a 1Password 7 license, so I have some time to test the alternatives. My current favourites are KeepassXC on the Mac and Keepassium on iOS, but there are Keepass aapplications for other Systems as well.
This happened before, a few years ago I had a device that send my WLAN password to the server of the manufacturer. Allegedly because someone forgot to turn off a debug flag.
I have a 1Password 7 license, so I have some time to test the alternatives. My current favourites are KeepassXC on the Mac and Keepassium on iOS, but there are Keepass aapplications for other Systems as well.
And this is happening: new 1Password update for iOS 15 doesn't work for standalone vaults, only subscriptions.
I installed iOS 15 and then checked the apps update in the App Store. I updated all apps, including 1Password, to version 7.8. There was nothing mentioned in the release notes that it won't work on iPhone without 1Password subscriptions. That's so annoying!! Basically, that means 1Password in iPhone is now useless because you'd have to copy and paste passwords from the app. There's no way to fill any fields on any websites using Safari
EDIT: After checking other users complaining about that on the 1Password Forums, I found that the only way to restore its functionality (not sure if fully) is to enable AutoFill in iPhone's Settings. Much more convenient for me (and I reckon other users too) was to use the Share button at the bottom of Safari window.
Also, 1Password developers admitted that they're planning to drop support for standalone vaults in the future updates... "Standalone vaults is one of the features that needed to be left behind. As such 1Password 7 will be the last version of 1Password to support standalone vaults."
https://1password.community/discussion/comment/602340/#Comment_602340
I installed iOS 15 and then checked the apps update in the App Store. I updated all apps, including 1Password, to version 7.8. There was nothing mentioned in the release notes that it won't work on iPhone without 1Password subscriptions. That's so annoying!! Basically, that means 1Password in iPhone is now useless because you'd have to copy and paste passwords from the app. There's no way to fill any fields on any websites using Safari
EDIT: After checking other users complaining about that on the 1Password Forums, I found that the only way to restore its functionality (not sure if fully) is to enable AutoFill in iPhone's Settings. Much more convenient for me (and I reckon other users too) was to use the Share button at the bottom of Safari window.
Also, 1Password developers admitted that they're planning to drop support for standalone vaults in the future updates... "Standalone vaults is one of the features that needed to be left behind. As such 1Password 7 will be the last version of 1Password to support standalone vaults."
https://1password.community/discussion/comment/602340/#Comment_602340
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