1Password migrants thread

[max2]

This subscription BS, is happening all over. I downloaded the free version of Clean Your Mac X to help with an install on my wife's MB Air of Big Sur, and the free version does not clean it all the way, although the stuff that is left over, you can actually manually delete it item by item. I had about 200MB of stuff I deleted file by file. They offer a "package" for $35 a year for a single computer. Bastardos!

I agree. It is happening all over.

 

[max2]

So are you all keeping 1Password or no ?

I can't decide what to do

Still don't see what the big deal is but maybe I don't see the picture clearly.

 

[bradl]

There is an update for 1Password I think v7.8 sitting on my Mac. Can I assume that all updates of V7 will continue to work as is?

I don't know. With everyone reporting that version 7.8 and newer keeps prompting everyone that their local vaults will no longer work, especially if the version of iOS is 15 or newer, I haven't updated from 7.7.8 on iOS 14.8. If it works like 7.7.8, then I'll update. If not, I'm not. What makes it harder is that since the iPhone 11 and newer won't work with iTunes 12.6.5.3, I can't use iTunes to downgrade the app if it fails.

So are you all keeping 1Password or no ?

I can't decide what to do

We're all in that same position.

Still don't see what the big deal is but maybe I don't see the picture clearly.

Here's the problem.

1. No local vaults. You can no longer keep the vault containing your passwords in your possession, whether that be locally on your PC or Mac, or any cloud service you choose. They must exist on 1Password's servers. See #3 and #4 as to why that is a problem.
2. Subscription only. Starting with 1Password 8 for MacOS and Windows, they will only use a subscription model. You can no longer purchase a standalone license. Making it worse, if you have a standalone license, to use 1Password 8, you have to pay for the subscription, regardless. So 1Password 7 is the last version to allow a standalone license. Making that worse, is that if you download 1Password 7, you can't purchase a standalone license from that, because they disabled the servers that provision those. So you're stuck with the subscription model or nothing at all. People say that the price shouldn't matter, but the cost of having that cheap price is you no longer have full control of your data.
3. What happens to your data? If you cancel, will AgileBits delete your data? How can you be sure that your data will indeed be deleted?
4. SaaS (Software as a Service) providers have been hacked. A good list of those who have, and this isn't even recent (read: up to the past year, as there have been even more since this list):
   
   
   

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   Those users that have not been affected were those who were standalone, meaning they kept their own local vaults.
5. Electron. 1Password 8 is now and Electron app, which is a huge memory and CPU resource hog. They are getting rid of any native apps for Windows and MacOS, and concentrating only on iOS and Electron; effectively they are wanting to increase marketshare than keep robustness and security of the application. Electron is HTML, CSS, and JavaScript based, leaving it vulnerable to most JavaScript vulnerabilities.

That's a lot to deal with because they want to chase the revenue.

BL.

 

[Alwis]

Ouch. They definitely should use that, and if they have the chance, not move above 7.7.8, as version 7.8 and higher are the ones requiring the subscription and not using any type of local vault.

I can not confirm that. More by accident I updated to the latest 7.x versions on my Mac and on iOS and local vaults are still working. Even the WLAn sync between the Mac and iOS worked.But maybe there are some features that do not work with the latest version.

SaaS (Software as a Service) providers have been hacked. A good list of those who have, and this isn't even recent (read: up to the past year, as there have been even more since this list):

I once had a weather station, that send my WLAN SSID and credentials unencrypted to the manufacturer. Allegedly because someone forgot to disable a debug flag before building the release version. Even worse: The customers were not informed, I discovered this bug just be change.

Who can be sure, that there will not be a similar bug in a future version of 1PW. Having the data only on my own machine would mitigate such a problem, at least to some extend. So there is no way I will store my passwords on a remote machine.

In the meantime I have tested KeepassXC. It works, but ugly describes it not nearly. Worse, it lacks some of the features I am using in 1PW (e.g. multiple usernames, urls or passwords in an entry)

 

[Huntn]

So are you all keeping 1Password or no ?

I can't decide what to do

Still don't see what the big deal is but maybe I don't see the picture clearly.

The big deal is requiring a subscription if you don’t want one, and an even bigger deal is doing away with private vault support which was Agilbits onetime hallmark standard of security. Your private sensitive passwords are not sitting on a server to be stolen. Servers are the big draw to hackers. Get into one of those and walk away with the data of thousands of people with a single heist.

Regarding the latest with 1Password, I have 1PW v7.8.2 on both my iPad and iPhone, v7.8.8 on Catalina and I have installed iOS 15 on my iOS devices. When I check them they still appear to syncing with my Dropbox located vault. I do remember at some point recently, I think associated with an update, regarding 1PW, I saw a message about private vaults no longer being supported. I would think that if they ethical, Agilebits would leave v7 functional with the current MacOS and iOS, although Big Sur has been in existence for a while, but iOS15 is new. If I recall correctly it was an a MacOS version that caused me to have to upgrade 1PW the last time. So if it’s working, it could be a matter of a short period of time before it’s not.

I am very hostile to the idea that one day I’ll be renting all of the software I use! There are people who don’t update their OS every time there is a major OS update, and they are particularly screwed by subscriptions.

Even when you buy programs it’s not unusual to be faced with upgrades that cost money every couple of years usually associated with an OS upgrade, ie the version of the program no longer works if you upgrade your MacOS, so you pay again. But there have been some cases where I’ve had a functional program for 5+ years. It would have cost me more with a subscription.

There are people who don’t update their OS every time there is a major OS update, and they are particularly screwed over by subscriptions. Let the developer make an upgrade that is compelling enough that their customers will pay for an update. Subscriptions just keep the money flowing into their coffers no matter what innovations they make or don’t make.

Now, Enpass is offering a personal lifetime license, but what does that mean, forever through each coming version of the program to accommodate OS updates? Maybe. I thought I read, they broke that promise already once before, but I think am going to try them again, because philosophically I don’t like subscriptions. I have accepted anti-virus subscriptions (a virus database constantly updates) , and OS utilities subscriptions (if they are inexpensive enough), but a frick’n password manager? NO ******* WAY if I can avoid that. I suspect, unverified, that Agilebits thinks by having servers supporting your passwords, justifies them asking for a subscription.

Enpass, has a free download, and I assume a trial period. I’m going to check them out. It has a one time buy option of $80 for “all of your devices”. This is comparable to what Agilbits charged before they went subscription. They also have an individual $2/month and family $3/month. So if you go single, that’s $24 a year and it would take you basically 3 years to break even.

In the last couple of weeks I have tried a variety of Password managers, DataVault, Safeincloud, MSecure, LogMeOnce, and none of them so far work as well, are as polished as 1PW, however imo the deal breaker even if I could swallow their subscription is abandoning private vaults.

I’ll report back regarding Enpass after I play with it.

Bitwarden does not support private cloud based vaults: https://bitwarden.com/help/article/data-storage/

 

[BigMcGuire]

I've been watching y'all talk and really appreciate the effort y'all are putting into this.

I have not regretted my decision to drop 1Password and go 100% to KeePassXC with iCloud and Keychain for everything else. Been working PERFECTLY. If you had asked me to consider this a year ago, I'd laugh in your face.

Helps that I just use 1 MBP now. So if I had my previous setup with a Windows work laptop and a personal MacBook, I'd be in a different boat - but I'd probably recommend to myself to try to use KeePassXC on OneDrive.

So tired of subscriptions.

 

[Huntn]

I've been watching y'all talk and really appreciate the effort y'all are putting into this.

I have not regretted my decision to drop 1Password and go 100% to KeePassXC with iCloud and Keychain for everything else. Been working PERFECTLY. If you had asked me to consider this a year ago, I'd laugh in your face.

Helps that I just use 1 MBP now. So if I had my previous setup with a Windows work laptop and a personal MacBook, I'd be in a different boat - but I'd probably recommend to myself to try to use KeePassXC on OneDrive.

So tired of subscriptions.

Forgive me if this has already been covered, I've looked at so much stuff... :\

• Does KeePassXC support a private fault on cloud based services such as dropbox?
• Does it auto fill in a web page that is already loaded, or does it insist on loading the page it has stored in associated with a particular site? This is not necessarily a big deal, just curious. I really do like the ability of 1PW to just let me fill in the credentials of a login page I've already loaded.

 

[BigMcGuire]

Forgive me if this has already been covered, I've looked at so much stuff... :\

• Does KeePassXC support a private fault on cloud based services such as dropbox?
• Does it auto fill in a web page that is already loaded, or does it insist on loading the page it has stored in associated with a particular site? This is not necessarily a big deal, just curious. I really do like the ability of 1PW to just let me fill in the credentials of a login page I've already loaded.

KeePassXC doesn't support it natively but you can put the keepass database on any cloud and use it between two computers - at least I did for awhile.

Loads a new page when I click the app. For auto fill I use KeyChain mostly now these days (helps I'm working on a MBP).

 

[Fuchal]

Right now, our saving grace is Apple and time. While AgileBits effectively forced everyone's hands with the 1Password IOS update, until a replacement or alternative application can be found, we still have whatever the time length is (probably determined by Apple) on how long Rosetta 2 will work.

I'm going to guess one more year, but does anyone have the wording that they used at last year's event? As in, they said that this would be the last year they would be selling Intel-based Macs, as they were going to give 2 years to get them completely out of inventory. What was it that they said about OS support? was it just "future releases" that wouldn't support Intel anymore, or was it a specific year? If they left it open ended, that means that we could have a good 3-5 year range before they would completely drop Rosetta 2, so that leaves us that much time for a 1Password replacement to come around.

Thoughts?

BL.

Isn't 1Password 7 already Apple Silicon? I don't think Rosetta has to play into this at all.

My understanding is that AgileBits will leave iOS 1Password 7 in the app store to download, as well, just like TweetBot hosts old versions of TweetBot for iOS.

 

[MisterSavage]

My understanding is that AgileBits will leave iOS 1Password 7 in the app store to download, as well, just like TweetBot hosts old versions of TweetBot for iOS.

That is true but eventually you'll probably hit compatibility problems or even scenarios where it will no longer work at all on future OS's (such as 32 bit apps).

 

[MisterSavage]

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[Alwis]

however imo the deal breaker even if I could swallow their subscription is abandoning private vaults.

Exactly my thoughts. I might swallow the subscription, but not the removal of local vaults. If necessary I wil switch back to an encrypted disk image, as ion the old days...

Isn't 1Password 7 already Apple Silicon?

Yes, I think so, but I am not sure.

I have not regretted my decision to drop 1Password and go 100% to KeePassXC with iCloud and Keychain for everything else.

I could live with the design of KeePassXC, but the lack of functionality is a problem for me. No way to display passwords in a big font, only one user name and password for every entry and some other things.

 

[Huntn]

KeePassXC doesn't support it natively but you can put the keepass database on any cloud and use it between two computers - at least I did for awhile.

Loads a new page when I click the app. For auto fill I use KeyChain mostly now these days (helps I'm working on a MBP).

I've been reading over at keepassxc.org and found a Getting Started Guide, but it does not cover my questions about cloud storage. I found this:
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Documentation and FAQ – KeePassXC

KeePassXC Password Manager

keepassxc.org

Why is there no cloud synchronization feature built into KeePassXC?Cloud synchronization with Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, ownCloud, Nextcloud etc. can be easily accomplished by simply storing your KeePassXC database inside your shared cloud folder and letting your desktop synchronization client do the rest. We prefer this approach, because it is simple, not tied to a specific cloud provider and keeps the complexity of our code low.
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This implies I think, that your desktop client knows how to interact with the database in the cloud. I suppose you have to log into cloud storage yourself before telling it to update tha database? If using this method, does that mean it does not keep a local database on your computer?

The thing is that different cloud services act differently. Google Drive keeps your data on your computer and makes a copy in the cloud, but DropBox takes it off your computer and stores it exclusively online at least I think I does.


What I think this means is you could use this method with KeePassXC if you used something like Google drive, then it could communicate and sync with this database directly on you computer, and it would be Google drive that keeps the cloud storage up to date so other devices could interact with it in the same manner.

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If you or anyone familiar with Keepassxc know the answer I'd appreciate it.
I have sent team keepassxc an email:
I see a comment at KeePassXC.org that to use this program with cloud storage (I use dropbox), that you simply place the database there and let your desktop application synch with it.

From previous experience, a password program like this usually asks you where you want to store the database, produces a list of possible cloud storage sites, you pick the desired cloud client, and it navigates there, and it also has you sign into your cloud storage, asking permission to access it. Once this is setup, the password program automatically can access your cloud storage without you having to enter your cloud storage password every time.

Is there documentation available for accomplishing this with KeePassxc or can you explain how? My impression is that if I simply place the Keepass database in my cloud storage, how will my Keepass client know about the existence of this online password database to synch with it, and know how to log into my cloud storage to interact with it?

 

[BigMcGuire]

I've been reading over at keepassxc.org and found a Getting Started Guide, but it does not cover my questions about cloud storage. I found this:
---------------

Documentation and FAQ – KeePassXC

KeePassXC Password Manager

keepassxc.org

Why is there no cloud synchronization feature built into KeePassXC?Cloud synchronization with Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, ownCloud, Nextcloud etc. can be easily accomplished by simply storing your KeePassXC database inside your shared cloud folder and letting your desktop synchronization client do the rest. We prefer this approach, because it is simple, not tied to a specific cloud provider and keeps the complexity of our code low.
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This implies I think, that your desktop client knows how to interact with the database in the cloud. I suppose you have to log into cloud storage yourself before telling it to update tha database? If using this method, does that mean it does not keep a local database on your computer?

The thing is that different cloud services act differently. Google Drive keeps your data on your computer and makes a copy in the cloud, but DropBox takes it off your computer and stores it exclusively online at least I think I does.


What I think this means is you could use this method with KeePassXC if you used something like Google drive, then it could communicate and sync with this database directly on you computer, and it would be Google drive that keeps the cloud storage up to date so other devices could interact with it in the same manner.

—————-
If you or anyone familiar with Keepassxc know the answer I'd appreciate it.
I have sent team keepassxc an email:
I see a comment at KeePassXC.org that to use this program with cloud storage (I use dropbox), that you simply place the database there and let your desktop application synch with it.

From previous experience, a password program like this usually asks you where you want to store the database, produces a list of possible cloud storage sites, you pick the desired cloud client, and it navigates there, and it also has you sign into your cloud storage, asking permission to access it. Once this is setup, the password program automatically can access your cloud storage without you having to enter your cloud storage password every time.

Is there documentation available for accomplishing this with KeePassxc or can you explain how? My impression is that if I simply place the Keepass database in my cloud storage, how will my Keepass client know about the existence of this online password database to synch with it, and know how to log into my cloud storage to interact with it?

Treat it just like a file on your computer. It's local. You can place that file in your local Cloud app on your Windows or Mac PC by copy/pasting it to the Google Drive/Dropbox/OneDrive/iCloud folder - and it will be synced that way. So it's local in that sense and synced like a file would be across the cloud.

It isn't like checking a box and it automatically uses iCloud - it's a file that has to be treated like a file locally on your computer and synced that way through X cloud service manually. Which means it's not TRUELY cloud safe/friendly.

 

[Huntn]

Treat it just like a file on your computer. It's local. You can place that file in your local Cloud app on your Windows or Mac PC by copy/pasting it to the Google Drive/Dropbox/OneDrive/iCloud folder - and it will be synced that way. So it's local in that sense and synced like a file would be across the cloud.

It isn't like checking a box and it automatically uses iCloud - it's a file that has to be treated like a file locally on your computer and synced that way through X cloud service manually. Which means it's not TRUELY cloud safe/friendly.

Thanks! I need to recheck drop box because I don’t think it leaves files on your computer, although you can look at them from there. I might be mistaken. And I’ll have to check that and see if it interferes the KeePassXC desktop apps ability to see and interact with the database Spitting in a drop box folder. Then I have to figure out how that works on iOS.

 

[bradl]

Isn't 1Password 7 already Apple Silicon? I don't think Rosetta has to play into this at all.

My understanding is that AgileBits will leave iOS 1Password 7 in the app store to download, as well, just like TweetBot hosts old versions of TweetBot for iOS.

You're correct in that 1Password 7 is available for Silicon. They also have an Intel version. The problem I have, however, is that I'm on 1Password 6, which will never have a Silicon binary. I tried to update to 1Password 7, and while the update works, and AgileBits allows you to buy a subscription for that version, they only allow you to buy a standalone license within the application... That's hard to do when they took down the servers that generate those licenses (read: can no longer buy a standalone license).

To make it worse, because you're essentially on a "trial version" at that time, they put your vault into read-only mode, where you can get into it, but can't add, modify, or delete any entries in your vault until either a license or a subscription is purchased. So I'm stuck in a catch-22 situation where I can't get to my data until I have a license, but I can't buy a license.

What sucked even more is that when reverting back to 1Password 6, the application wouldn't even open. Not even a TM restore of the application helped. I had to full on TM restore my entire Mac to get back to where I was (thankfully I had backed it up a couple of days prior).

So when I get a new Mac (Real Soon Now[tm]), I'll be staggering along with 1Password 6 with Rosetta until I find an alternative or Rosetta quits working. Hopefully the former will happen before the latter.

BL.

 

[MacBH928]

My guess is that they are just going off of popularity or corporate buzzwords while not looking at real use cases and reports of how the electron-based application consumes a computer's resources. In short, they (project managers and programmers) are only looking at features and not bugs/resource hogs being reported. I worked at a company that did such a thing; after reporting bugs myself, they said they didn't care about them and went to add more features, to the point where I forwarded every single exception to the project managers and development team. They still didn't care, because features, money, and not wanting to fix the messes they had made.

BL.

Now that I think of it, electron means they have to develop 1 app for web and local devices and deal with 1 set of bugs since its just a web app. Its easier for them but worse for the user.

Which is a bit worse. Not only is it a feature tied to what is essentially a subscription, but it also leaves you not in control of your vaults, plus leaves you out of control should your vault get compromised. And it isn't as if Dropbox hasn't been hacked before.

The issue we all have is needing to be secure in our data without having to depend on some service to keep our data, because should they fold up and go out of business, your data is gone the moment they close up shop. All of that has been discussed before here in this thread..

BL.

To be fair, you are more likely to lose your data than the cloud which is professionally managed and backed up lose it. I mean, hotmail/outlook has been around for like 25 years no one ever losed their emails but a lot of people lost access to their local HDD.

Nope, can’t do it. I went back to windows, and anticipating the misery of managing my passwords outside of 1p I ended my valiant boycott before the sub expires. Hopefully I can dodge the electron app forever with browser extensions. Nothing else really bothers me about it.

give enpass a try

I'm going to guess one more year, but does anyone have the wording that they used at last year's event? As in, they said that this would be the last year they would be selling Intel-based Macs, as they were going to give 2 years to get them completely out of inventory. What was it that they said about OS support? was it just "future releases" that wouldn't support Intel anymore, or was it a specific year? If they left it open ended, that means that we could have a good 3-5 year range before they would completely drop Rosetta 2, so that leaves us that much time for a 1Password replacement to come around.

Thoughts?

BL.

My thoughts EnPass is the best alternative and it has the beautiful cmd+\ shortcut that I want. Meanwhile even better someone should make an app that works like 1password FOSS like an indegogo campaign or something.

I mean, they have a full operating system, an MS office alternative, a web browser, a video editor... how difficult can a password manager like 1password be? I mean there are password managers being done by just one man like SafeInCloud. If he decide to make it FOSS maybe we can all jump on that bandwagon and live off donations. The guy who makes Apollo client for Reddit is doing it this way although not FOSS. KeeWeb.io is in the right direction.

This subscription BS, is happening all over. I downloaded the free version of Clean Your Mac X to help with an install on my wife's MB Air of Big Sur, and the free version does not clean it all the way, although the stuff that is left over, you can actually manually delete it item by item. I had about 200MB of stuff I deleted file by file. They offer a "package" for $35 a year for a single computer. Bastardos!

Exactly this, its not like I don't have $32 a year for agilebits. I don't want to support rent software business. Rent for services is ok not apps.

So are you all keeping 1Password or no ?

I can't decide what to do

Still don't see what the big deal is but maybe I don't see the picture clearly.

for the time being, EnPass is the closest replacement for 1password and I think I am jumping ship.

Now, Enpass is offering a personal lifetime license, but what does that mean, forever through each coming version of the program to accommodate OS updates? Maybe. I thought I read, they broke that promise already once before, but I think am going to try them again, because philosophically I don’t like subscriptions. I have accepted anti-virus subscriptions (a virus database constantly updates) , and OS utilities subscriptions (if they are inexpensive enough), but a frick’n password manager? NO ******* WAY if I can avoid that. I suspect, unverified, that Agilebits thinks by having servers supporting your passwords, justifies them asking for a subscription.

Enpass, has a free download, and I assume a trial period. I’m going to check them out. It has a one time buy option of $80 for “all of your devices”. This is comparable to what Agilbits charged before they went subscription. They also have an individual $2/month and family $3/month. So if you go single, that’s $24 a year and it would take you basically 3 years to break even.

I don't think lifetime licesnse means you will still be getting updates until 2045. I think lifetime license means the app will continue to work as is which is how apps were always sold, then you have to pay for the next version to upgrade.

I've been watching y'all talk and really appreciate the effort y'all are putting into this.

I have not regretted my decision to drop 1Password and go 100% to KeePassXC with iCloud and Keychain for everything else. Been working PERFECTLY. If you had asked me to consider this a year ago, I'd laugh in your face.

Helps that I just use 1 MBP now. So if I had my previous setup with a Windows work laptop and a personal MacBook, I'd be in a different boat - but I'd probably recommend to myself to try to use KeePassXC on OneDrive.

So tired of subscriptions.

KeePassXC is the ugliest most unintuitive software I have used.

New functionality for creating/auto-filling custom fields added to Bitwarden.

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where do you save your password vault? in BitWarden's cloud?

 

[bradl]

Now that I think of it, electron means they have to develop 1 app for web and local devices and deal with 1 set of bugs since its just a web app. Its easier for them but worse for the user.

Exactly. When I dug into Electron, I found out that it relies on the Chromium rendering engine for it to work. This is the equivalent of every Tom Clancy game, Rainbow 6, Deus Ex, Gears of War, Infinity Blade, and Borderlands all needing the Unreal Engine game rendering engine to work. Chromium is what Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi, Edge, and a few others run...

The codebase for the chromium engine is roughly 20 million lines of code. By comparison, the Linux Kernel is 27.8 million lines of code. It says a lot when a rendering engine is nearly as big as an entire operating system. It says a lot about resource hogs when you are running a rendering engine as big as the entire operating system that you're running, and it is taking up more resources than the operating system itself.

To be fair, you are more likely to lose your data than the cloud which is professionally managed and backed up lose it. I mean, hotmail/outlook has been around for like 25 years no one ever losed their emails but a lot of people lost access to their local HDD.

This is where I store multiple copies of my vault both on and offsite, let alone multiple backups of my local drive. It is always important to have a backup plan for your data, and more than that, you are never safe and secure in your backup strategy and sanctity of your backups until you complete your latest RESTORE. You can make as many copies as you want, and make as many backups as you want, but until you are able to restore your data, and restore it successfully, your backups are just wasted disk space.

I understand why some people depend on the cloud; it's quick, safe (to a degree), and incredibly convenient. However, for some things, the risk is far more greater than the benefit.

BL.

 

[macintoshmac]

Exactly. When I dug into Electron, I found out that it relies on the Chromium rendering engine for it to work. This is the equivalent of every Tom Clancy game, Rainbow 6, Deus Ex, Gears of War, Infinity Blade, and Borderlands all needing the Unreal Engine game rendering engine to work. Chromium is what Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi, Edge, and a few others run...

The codebase for the chromium engine is roughly 20 million lines of code. By comparison, the Linux Kernel is 27.8 million lines of code. It says a lot when a rendering engine is nearly as big as an entire operating system. It says a lot about resource hogs when you are running a rendering engine as big as the entire operating system that you're running, and it is taking up more resources than the operating system itself.



This is where I store multiple copies of my vault both on and offsite, let alone multiple backups of my local drive. It is always important to have a backup plan for your data, and more than that, you are never safe and secure in your backup strategy and sanctity of your backups until you complete your latest RESTORE. You can make as many copies as you want, and make as many backups as you want, but until you are able to restore your data, and restore it successfully, your backups are just wasted disk space.

I understand why some people depend on the cloud; it's quick, safe (to a degree), and incredibly convenient. However, for some things, the risk is far more greater than the benefit.

BL.

I loved and still love Deus Ex. 🥺

 

[Huntn]

1PW v7.8.3 is sitting on my iPhone and I elected not to install it, however I just noticed that v7.8.3 is already installed on my iPad and it is still acting like it is synching with drop box. 🤔

 

[bradl]

1PW v7.8.3 is sitting on my iPhone and I elected not to install it, however I just noticed that v7.8.3 is already installed on my iPad and it is still acting like it is synching with drop box. 🤔

Do you have 1Password on your Mac? And if so, are you keeping a vault on your Mac? And if so to that, could you try to sync between your Mac and your iPad over WiFi?

That's the test I'm looking for, and why I'm hesitant to install 1Password 7.8.x on my iPhone 11 Pro.

BL.

 

[Huntn]

Now that I think of it, electron means they have to develop 1 app for web and local devices and deal with 1 set of bugs since its just a web app. Its easier for them but worse for the user.



To be fair, you are more likely to lose your data than the cloud which is professionally managed and backed up lose it. I mean, hotmail/outlook has been around for like 25 years no one ever losed their emails but a lot of people lost access to their local HDD.



give enpass a try



My thoughts EnPass is the best alternative and it has the beautiful cmd+\ shortcut that I want. Meanwhile even better someone should make an app that works like 1password FOSS like an indegogo campaign or something.

I mean, they have a full operating system, an MS office alternative, a web browser, a video editor... how difficult can a password manager like 1password be? I mean there are password managers being done by just one man like SafeInCloud. If he decide to make it FOSS maybe we can all jump on that bandwagon and live off donations. The guy who makes Apollo client for Reddit is doing it this way although not FOSS. KeeWeb.io is in the right direction.



Exactly this, its not like I don't have $32 a year for agilebits. I don't want to support rent software business. Rent for services is ok not apps.



for the time being, EnPass is the closest replacement for 1password and I think I am jumping ship.



I don't think lifetime licesnse means you will still be getting updates until 2045. I think lifetime license means the app will continue to work as is which is how apps were always sold, then you have to pay for the next version to upgrade.



KeePassXC is the ugliest most unintuitive software I have used.



where do you save your password vault? in BitWarden's cloud?

I can’t argue with your comment to me, but I’ll mention it’s just that $80 is a lot for a license lifetime. In the past when you bought a regular license, my understanding, it was good for the current OS and you might have to pay for an upgrade to the next OS version. To me “Lifetime” triggers a different impression, but I’m not sure. 🤨

One of the other password managers was charging $10 a year, which means you’d pay less with this kind of subscription pricing until you hit 8 years, and there a subscription makes more sense, if it is a quality product. With $36 a year sub, , paying the $80 you easily come out ahead with the latter depending what lifetime means. 🤔

 

[Huntn]

Do you have 1Password on your Mac? And if so, are you keeping a vault on your Mac? And if so to that, could you try to sync between your Mac and your iPad over WiFi?

That's the test I'm looking for, and why I'm hesitant to install 1Password 7.8.x on my iPhone 11 Pro.

BL.

Is that an option? I don’t know. I’ll look at my Mac and see if it is looking like it is synching with dropbox. I don’t know how to tell it to sync with each other directly over my network from Mac to iOS. I can easily do a test edit to the database and see it it makes it to my iOS devices Via Dropbox.

 

[bradl]

Is that an option? I don’t know. I’ll look at my Mac and see if it is looking like it is synching with dropbox. I don’t know how to tell it to sync with each other directly over my network from Mac to iOS. I can easily do a test edit to the database and see it it makes it to my iOS devices Via Dropbox.

If it is anything like 1Password 6, If you go to Window - WLAN Server, you should see the options you can use to start your own WLAN server, the code for it, and instructions on what to do with your iPad or iPhone. Basically on the iDevice, you should be able to go to Settings - Sync. It should ask you for the code that is on the Mac, and off you go.

BL.

 

[Alwis]

Do you have 1Password on your Mac? And if so, are you keeping a vault on your Mac? And if so to that, could you try to sync between your Mac and your iPad over WiFi?

Worked for me yesterday with the latest 1Password 7.x on the Mac and the iPad, syncing via WLAN.