1Password migrants thread

[maflynn]

might have a look before you update to 1Password v8.5

Horrible move

It looks like there is some sort of conversion utility mentioned in that reddit

You can use this to convert 1PUX to JSON:

https://github.com/MatejLach/1password-linux-to-bitwarden

I was already leaning away from 1password and this anti-consumer move was the final straw the broke the camels back. I felt early on in this thread that I got value from a 1password subscription, but locking me in and not allowing me to move my data to another password manager is no bueno

 

[peter34]

Just saw this, might have a look before you update to 1Password v8.5 and want to import your data to Bitwarden before its too late. I'm already using Bitwarden for 7 months no looking back, happy to throw money at them!

New version of 1Password means no way to import 1Password data into Bitwarden

I stopped updating 1password already few months ago, because after they removed Safari plug-in on iPhone it was obvious that all updates from that time on will only make my life miserable.

 

[bsmr]

I stopped updating 1password already few months ago, because after they removed Safari plug-in on iPhone ...

What plugin do you mean? For me I do get actual updates for 1PW iOS?!

 

[svenmany]

Horrible move

It looks like there is some sort of conversion utility mentioned in that reddit


I was already leaning away from 1password and this anti-consumer move was the final straw the broke the camels back. I felt early on in this thread that I got value from a 1password subscription, but locking me in and not allowing me to move my data to another password manager is no bueno

On their forums, they are strongly asserting that export is top priority. They say that have plans to get CSV working and to improve the existing JSON export (1pux is just json). Lip service is not good enough. We'll see if they follow through.

I've read this in other posts, but here's a single comment that I found just now:

https://1password.community/discussion/125169/no-export-option-for-csv-file-type-in-1password-8

It's pretty arrogant that they didn't have this ready before allowing people to upgrade to 8.

 

[svenmany]

but locking me in and not allowing me to move my data to another password manager is no bueno

Can a person just download 1Password 7 and use that for the export? They still offer downloads of older versions. As a backup, the other day I grabbed the latest version of 7 and 6 from their website.

I'm running 8 on windows and 7 on my Mac, so there doesn't see to be a compatibility issue. In fact, on Windows I installed 8 to play with it. I then decided that I wanted to go back to 7, so I just installed it. Everything worked fine. Since then, I've made the permanent move to 8 on Windows. So, I've flipped-flopped a couple if times without problem.

Maybe 1Password considers the availability of version 7 to be a sufficient reason to lower the priority of improving export in version 8. I haven't tried 8.5 though; I'm on 8.4.1. I hope there isn't a compatibility problem introduced in that, but I can't imagine how that could be the case. You can always do a fresh setup with version 7, unless they perform some server-side data conversion once you've accessed it with 8.5 (pretty far fetched).

 

[peter34]

What plugin do you mean? For me I do get actual updates for 1PW iOS?!

Sorry, officially it's called Safari extension and it does not support local vaults. 1password makes updates for iOS and MacOS, I just don't install them, because they I can't expect from them anything good. Sad situation after so many years using it.
If you don't don't care for local vaults you are ok.

 

[yustas]

If you don't don't care for local vaults you are ok.

Does Bitwarden use local vaults?

 

[peter34]

Does Bitwarden use local vaults?

no idea

 

[svenmany]

Sorry, officially it's called Safari extension and it does not support local vaults. 1password makes updates for iOS and MacOS, I just don't install them, because they I can't expect from them anything good. Sad situation after so many years using it.
If you don't don't care for local vaults you are ok.

I really don't understand why that extension even exists. 1Password, the application, is installed on my phone and is set as a system-wide password provider. I use it to fill passwords on websites as well as within applications. I don't see any added value to that extension, which works only in Safari.

 

[flyingspur]

Horrible move

It looks like there is some sort of conversion utility mentioned in that reddit


I was already leaning away from 1password and this anti-consumer move was the final straw the broke the camels back. I felt early on in this thread that I got value from a 1password subscription, but locking me in and not allowing me to move my data to another password manager is no bueno

Alway purchased the stand alone, Mac, iOS & Win. When they stopped that and then electron, gone I was.

Does Bitwarden use local vaults?

Storage | Bitwarden Help Center

This article describes how Vault data is encrypted and hashed on local devices before being sent to the Cloud for secure storage.

bitwarden.com

As one commenter put it, " 1Password has lost there way, they have become the thing they once hated. "

 

[deeddawg]

I really don't understand why that extension even exists. 1Password, the application, is installed on my phone and is set as a system-wide password provider. I use it to fill passwords on websites as well as within applications. I don't see any added value to that extension, which works only in Safari.

The extension allowed you to save newly created logins/passwords to your 1Password vault, as well as some other features. Maybe not a big deal to some folks, and it wasn't really for me, but I can see where others would appreciate the functionality and be annoyed at its loss.

Get to know 1Password for Safari on your iPhone or iPad

Learn how to fill and save passwords, view and edit items, and more in 1Password for Safari.

support.1password.com

 

[bradl]

Does Bitwarden use local vaults?

no idea

To a degree, it does. They also prefer that you store your data in the cloud. However, if you want to store your own data locally, you have to set up your own Bitwarden "server" (lack of a better word) that runs on top of Docker. So you're looking at spinning up a standalone machine or VM of your own, installing Windows, Linux, or MacOS on it (OS doesn't matter, as you need Docker to run on top of it), then install Docker and their software to run the Bitwarden service and store your vaults there.

However, that would then leave the maintenance of Bitwarden, the Docker container, and the underlying OS that is running Docker completely up to you. So if you were to run Linux and Docker, while Bitwarden will supply patches to your version of the Bitwarden service, you'll be responsible for any patches or maintenance for Docker, as well as any patches needed to resolve vulnerabilities on the underlying OS.

But hey, at least you get to have a local vault; just don't mind the overhead.

BL.

 

[yustas]

But hey, at least you get to have a local vault; just don't mind the overhead.

I don't see most people doing all that, myself included...so what is the real difference between 1Password and Bitwarden, aesthetics and 1Password's change on the license?

 

[maflynn]

so what is the real difference between 1Password and Bitwarden, aesthetics and 1Password's change on the license?

I wrote a comparison as I've been testing Bitwarden and you can see it here

1Password migrants thread

I still like 1Password but only 1Password 7 not 8. The UI of 1Password 8 is disappointing for me sadly. :( They said I could stay on 1Password 7 but I can't forever of course.

forums.macrumors.com

The tl;dr is that I prefer Bitwarden UX, particularly in iOS as faceid with 1Password didn't work seamless all of the time. I found myself needing to type in the password.

Overall, I don't see any reason to continue my subscription with 1Password, and while I could keep using it until the sub expires, but its probably best to just move on from 1Password

 

[bradl]

I don't see most people doing all that, myself included...so what is the real difference between 1Password and Bitwarden, aesthetics and 1Password's change on the license?

I can't necessarily say because I don't use Bitwarden, but hosting your own server in the way that BitWarden wants you to do to keep your own local vault - while wouldn't be too much of a problem for me being a Linux sysadmin - was adding a lot more overhead to something I use every day. I already maintain 1300 Linux servers, and got tired of maintaining a Linux box at home for my personal desktop and server, which is why I migrated to MacOS. I want to say that there have been a couple of comparisons already in this thread, but I'd have to go back through all 40something pages to find it.

BL.

 

[MisterSavage]

I don't see most people doing all that, myself included...so what is the real difference between 1Password and Bitwarden, aesthetics and 1Password's change on the license?

For me the important differences from 1P were that I can see the master password as I'm typing it, I like the Bitwarden autofill better, and Bitwarden is open source. It was a bonus that Bitwarden premium is only $10 a year but not a reason why I went with it.

edit: Another difference is that I want to be able to export my data easily and in a standard format that can be imported into another password manager if I choose to leave.

 

[deeddawg]

Not really, its business model that is not compatible with my priorities. Mostly, due to local vaults and needing to sync them across computers/devices.

Not sure I understand?

You prefer to have the vault hosted by the app company rather than your own choice of iCloud / Dropbox / OneDrive / Google Drive / Box / WebDav / Nextcloud?

I gave Enpass a try and have now switched over from 1Password v7. It's been quite painless; I set the vault to iCloud just as I did with 1Password and the sync is automatic and invisible. I could probably use my NAS as a WebDav server if I felt the need to store via private cloud, but I've not felt that need yet.

 

[svenmany]

edit: Another difference is that I want to be able to export my data easily and in a standard format that can be imported into another password manager if I choose to leave.

Is there a standard format that most password managers use for that?

 

[Huntn]

Yes, that is what I'm saying. But when I open 1Password 7, it opens a popup advertising their subscription model, and I cannot edit anything. But all of my logins are there and I can use the app. I can edit on my iPhone and it updates it on the Mac.

It seems like your iOS device has become the 1PW Trojan horse.

In the realm of customer betrayal this is on the heinous end of betrayal when a software company purposefully breaks an existing version of it’s software, for no other reason that they chose to do so, regardless of whatever rationalization they tell themselves, v7 was sold not requiring a subscription. Yes, they were trying hard to talk customers into a subscription, but to say **** YOU! and break their product just because they changed their business model is inexcusable, unacceptable. I’ll say **** THEM, as I am now a happy Codebook user. Agilebits can eat dirt as far as I am concerned.

 

[svenmany]

In the realm of customer betrayal this is on the heinous end of betrayal when a software company purposefully breaks an existing version of it’s software, for no other reason that they chose to do so, regardless of whatever rationalization they tell themselves, v7 was sold not requiring a subscription. Yes, they were trying hard to talk customers into a subscription, but to say **** YOU! and break their product just because they changed their business model is inexcusable, unacceptable. I’ll say **** THEM, as I am now a happy Codebook user. Agilebits can eat dirt as far as I am concerned.

I think you can still use version 7 without their subscription service.

 

[Huntn]

I think you can still use version 7 without their subscription service.

See post 1022. They are taking steps to interfer with a customers ability to use V7 as is. Before I quit using it, I got a message that private vaults were no longer supported. As I recall, before I quit using it, I could not add new entries, but the iOS version of the app was still functional as reported in the post I replied too.

 

[MisterSavage]

Is there a standard format that most password managers use for that?

I actually meant a format familiar to many applications, not just passwords managers. JSON, for example.

 

[svenmany]

See post 1022. They are taking steps to interfer with a customers ability to use V7 as is. Before I quit using it, I got a message that private vaults were no longer supported. As I recall, before I quit using it, I could not add new entries, but the iOS version of the app was still functional as reported in the post I replied too.

1022 seems to say that a license for version 6 was being used in the version 7 software, and that made the data unmodifiable.

I'll study the thread a bit more to understand what you're saying.

 

[deeddawg]

See post 1022. They are taking steps to interfer with a customers ability to use V7 as is. Before I quit using it, I got a message that private vaults were no longer supported. As I recall, before I quit using it, I could not add new entries, but the iOS version of the app was still functional as reported in the post I replied too.

I’ve never seen such a message on v7 whether on iOS or on macOS. Also no problems with adding new entries.

While I don’t doubt you saw what you saw, I also know I’ve seen so such thing using 1Password v7 with a v7 license.

How long ago did you buy your v7 perpetual license?

 

[svenmany]

I actually meant a format familiar to many applications, not just passwords managers. JSON, for example.

1Password exports in JSON format. The 1pux export file is just a zip file. If you uncompress it, you'll find a plain text file containing JSON. It's really very easy to read and process.

You can also access JSON output of your data directly from their servers:

https://support.1password.com/command-line-getting-started/