1Password migrants thread

[MacBH928]

Seems quite probable that this is more or less how and especially why it's set up like this.
Not quite convinced its the most efficient way, TBH.
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Why is your 1PW extension is 700MB in RAM? Others posted here showing 1PW with the assistant running is around 170MB IIRC

1Password X is what became the extension for 1Password 8 and it’s been around since 2017. You always needed the subscription to use it. I was beta testing when it 1st came out and it’s great because I was able to 1Password on Linux at the time. Now on my Mac and Windows I do use it along side with the desktop app, on my work computer and my Linux computer, I use just the extension.

I do not understand your setup. There are 3 things: App, the mini assistant, and the browser extension for browser autofill. Has this setup been changed? There is no place for 1password X in the current implementation.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

I do not understand your setup. There are 3 things: App, the mini assistant, and the browser extension for browser autofill. Has this setup been changed? There is no place for 1password X in the current implementation.

1Password X name is no more, it’s now just the browser extension and can and be used with or without the desktop App.
I don’t use the mini, I never saw a need for it.

 

[MacBH928]

1Password X name is no more, it’s now just the browser extension and can and be used with or without the desktop App.
I don’t use the mini, I never saw a need for it.

ah I see. The mini is absolutely essential for me to recall information for different apps. I would be using my iphone and bring up the mini on the laptop to get information and type back in my iphone (where no autofill is possible)

 

[workerbee]

Why is your 1PW extension is 700MB in RAM? Others posted here showing 1PW with the assistant running is around 170MB IIRC

After a fresh start, RAM usage is about where I'd think it should be, but after using 1PW a while, it does seem to go to where everyone who said Electron is crummy rubbish predicted it would go, i.e. ridiculously high for a password manager.

 

[johannnn]

So sad when I see these RAM usages. 1Password used to be an awesome Mac app. Now after VC investing etc, they are a 500+ employee mess that ship Electron apps :-(

 

[MacBH928]

After a fresh start, RAM usage is about where I'd think it should be, but after using 1PW a while, it does seem to go to where everyone who said Electron is crummy rubbish predicted it would go, i.e. ridiculously high for a password manager.
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so electron apps with use, build up on RAM usage?

 

[Janichsan]

so electron apps with use build up on RAM usage?

Yeah, these apps aren't really memory efficient.

Meanwhile, Enpass, after a few weeks without restart:

 

[eltoslightfoot]

so electron apps with use build up on RAM usage?

The reality is a lot of devs use electron to build their apps. Some seem to have trouble with this, and others do not. So I don't think its quite as simple as electron = bad.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

So sad when I see these RAM usages. 1Password used to be an awesome Mac app. Now after VC investing etc, they are a 500+ employee mess that ship Electron apps :-(

Have you actually tried it? I use to hate electron apps, but 1Password did an amazing job with their desktop app. Just look at the posts of people who agree with me.

 

[maflynn]

So sad when I see these RAM usages. 1Password used to be an awesome Mac app. Now after VC investing etc, they are a 500+ employee mess that ship Electron apps :-(

Let me ask you and others about this. Realistically how often do you use the application as opposed to the browser plugin? I find that I rarely use the desktop application, my day to day usage is letting my password manager fill in my passwords.

Sounds like people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Finally while not defending the high ram usage, unless you're looking at the Activity Monitor would you really notice any changes in your laptop with this running?

 

[MacBH928]

Let me ask you and others about this. Realistically how often do you use the application as opposed to the browser plugin? I find that I rarely use the desktop application, my day to day usage is letting my password manager fill in my passwords.

Sounds like people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

A lot. The mini-assistant is a must for me as i use it to store and retrieve information for all kinds of things+copy-pasting to other apps.

Finally while not defending the high ram usage, unless you're looking at the Activity Monitor would you really notice any changes in your laptop with this running?

I am not currently using 1password so I can tell, but historically people are worried about RAM limitations so less RAM usage the better. Any way you see it, its a negative step not a positive for 1password to be more RAM hungry but I wouldn't say its a deal breaker and use another app just for that.

Out of curiosity I launched Bitwarden app which I believe is fully electron and this is what I got. I am not sure what is Bitwarden Helper:

 

[johannnn]

Finally while not defending the high ram usage, unless you're looking at the Activity Monitor would you really notice any changes in your laptop with this running?

You do realize Apple sell most of their computers with 8GB RAM?

Selling a password manager that takes up 1/8 of that RAM is basically giving the finger to all those users.

We’re not talking about molecular particle simulation or 4K video editing, we’re talking about an app that stores small strings of text.

 

[maflynn]

You do realize Apple sell most of their computers with 8GB RAM?

That's bad on apple then. If many apps consumer large portions of ram, and they do, 1Password isn't the sole application that consumes large portions of memory - chrome, adobe, games, etc.

Selling a password manager that takes up 1/8 of that RAM is basically giving the finger to all those users.

I disagree with that sentiment, I really don't think 1Password is bleep you to its customers.

We’re not talking about molecular particle simulation or 4K video editing, we’re talking about an app that stores small strings of text.

Correct and more so an application that doesn't need to run, and generally doesn't run, as the browser plugin does all of the heavy lifting.

 

[DCIFRTHS]

I disagree with that sentiment, I really think 1Password is bleep you to its customers.

???

 

[maflynn]

???

OOps my mistake. Its funny how a single word can change the entire message

So flipping the bird at someone as I'm sure you know is akin to saying **** you (Urban Dictionary) I can't really post what it says as the moderators will wrap my knuckles.

Anyways, my point that I failed to convey was that I really don't think 1Password's ram usage is AgileBits way of saying **** you

Helps if you have a coffee before posting

 

[DCIFRTHS]

OOps my mistake. Its funny how a single word can change the entire message

So flipping the bird at someone as I'm sure you know is akin to saying **** you (Urban Dictionary) I can't really post what it says as the moderators will wrap my knuckles.

Anyways, my point that I failed to convey was that I really don't think 1Password's ram usage is AgileBits way of say **** you

Helps if you have a coffee before posting

That's what I thought. I just wanted to confirm. Coffee does work wonders

 

[maflynn]

That's what I thought. I just wanted to confirm. Coffee does work wonders

Yep

All is good now

 

[maflynn]

A lot. The mini-assistant is a must for me as i use it to store and retrieve information for all kinds of things+copy-pasting to other apps.

but you're not using it - you've moved off of 1Password so its a moot point for you. I venture to say that many people are more then happy with the plugin and don't need that. I also postulate that memory utilization goes by unnoticed by the vast majority of consumers who use 1password. Its not like macOS has a poor memory management, it can more then cope with programs that require high amounts of ram

 

[gregmac19]

That's bad on apple then. If many apps consumer large portions of ram, and they do, 1Password isn't the sole application that consumes large portions of memory - chrome, adobe, games, etc.

Maybe the problem is that despite having large numbers of employees, 1Password can’t, or won’t, figure out why their application is taking up a relatively huge amount of memory, and fix it. Competing companies with a small fraction of the employees of 1Password, can produce password managers that use just 1/10 the memory of their program.

 

[maflynn]

1Password can’t, or won’t, figure out why their application is taking up a relatively huge amount of memory, and fix it.

I think its due to the use of electron. Using that allows them to easily write one application compatible across different platforms. Its not optimized for any of the platforms - I'm just guessing.

In all honesty, its probably not something they're overly concerned about

 

[MacBH928]

That's bad on apple then. If many apps consumer large portions of ram, and they do, 1Password isn't the sole application that consumes large portions of memory - chrome, adobe, games, etc.

I am kind of with @johannnn on this one. Back in early 2000's I got a mac that shipped with 256MB RAM IIRC . It run the OS, browsers, Adobe PS, iMovie..etc . Now 128MB just for the a mini assistant. As a non-programmer I do not know why RAM usage bloated up so much.

but you're not using it - you've moved off of 1Password so its a moot point for you.

not moot when alternatives are going to use huge RAM for the assistant app which will affect me with any app I choose.

I venture to say that many people are more then happy with the plugin and don't need that.

maybe but we need a number on that to really know do people really use the assistant or not. If not, why 1password keeps it around when they seem to try and whack development costs.

Its not like macOS has a poor memory management, it can more then cope with programs that require high amounts of ram

I do not know what goes in the background, but with SSDs if the OS can quickly exchange between RAM and swap memory then it is a moot point as its unnoticeable to the user but if that was the case why wouldn't 4GB RAM and 500GB SSD be enough for everything!?

I think its due to the use of electron. Using that allows them to easily write one application compatible across different platforms. Its not optimized for any of the platforms - I'm just guessing.

In all honesty, its probably not something they're overly concerned about

Having an electron app is so much better than no app at all especially for the Linux folks but for a huge company like 1password with 500 employees and for a subscription service one would think they would put in the effort to make native apps for Windows and Mac instead of the one size fits all kind of thing.

 

[maflynn]

not moot

Sure it is - again, its not affecting you, you moved off the platform, so there's even less reasons for you to run the 1Password app

I do not know what goes in the background,

Here's the thing, people are getting wound up about ram usage but have yet to provide details as to why this impacting their system negatively. I'm not saying its not a problem but I've yet to see people provide concrete examples of their system being negatively affected. My 14" MBP has not had any issues with 1Password but as I mentioned I rarely use the app

 

[LeeW]

I have used 1P for years and never had any issues to this point. Also not sure why people are seeing 700 MB of ram usage, right now mine shows 60.4 MB.

 

[maflynn]

After a fresh start, RAM usage is about where I'd think it should be, but after using 1PW a while, it does seem to go to where everyone who said Electron is crummy rubbish predicted it would go, i.e. ridiculously high for a password manager.
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Also not sure why people are seeing 700 MB of ram usage, right now mine shows 60.4 MB.

I did a little more digging and I'm not seeing anything close to the ram utilizatioin that @workerbee displayed.

I just installed the Safari plugin, as I'm a chrome user, but the uptime of my Mac is 42 days and clearly ram usage is quite good

 

[svenmany]

Let me ask you and others about this. Realistically how often do you use the application as opposed to the browser plugin? I find that I rarely use the desktop application, my day to day usage is letting my password manager fill in my passwords.

I start the desktop app once or twice a day and then quit when I'm done with it. I don't quit because of RAM restrictions, but just that I always quit applications when I'm done using them.

The mini-application is always running in the menubar and I have the browser extensions for various browsers. The browser extensions interact with the menubar app to maintain my login state even if I restart the browsers.

Almost all of my interactions with 1Password are through the browser extensions.