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To me, 1Password is a database that holds so much more than passwords. Like others have mentioned, I store all my software licenses in there, sensitive information, bank accounts, insurances, passports etc etc.
I keep all the information sync'ed between my devices through Dropbox, since I choose not to put my trust in iCloud.
 
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So I use Keychain ... It stores to iCloud and I cannot access passwords on my Mac, iPhone, etc.
If I were to use 1Password, does it only store using Dropbox? And I guess I'm getting mixed up in how this works with my iPhone?
Here is a link that tells about the 1Password sync options. I use 1Password sync to iCloud for my Macs & iPhones. Dropbox is a good option that will work with non-Apple devices.
 
So if I went with a family for my wife and I, we would each have our own "vault" right? And since we both use Apple devices, we could use iCloud to do so?
 
Just curious why you would not store those things in Keychain? I use a secure note in Keychain for software license info.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I genuinely curious why you would pay for 1PW to do what Keychain already does free. :)
Because it does things that Keychain does not. Keychain is a very simple alternative for those only using Apple software, being the only one using it and not wanting to do any form of management. When you want to do more then you have to use software like 1Password.

1Password can be used alone or with multiple people (either by using their family or company offerings or just sharing a single entry in your database). You can store the database either locally, on a network drive, a webdav drive or some other cloud file sharing service (they recommend dropbox and have a tight integration with it); just basically anything since you can simply store it in a folder. You can even store things locally and still be able to sync with your iPhone via the WLAN sync service (which requires you to pair 1P on macOS with 1P on iOS as well as both apps opened and unlocked at the same time; when this is the case it'll automatically sync).

The biggest advantage is management of your data. You can add different kinds of data such as logins, creditcards, memberships and so on but you can also use tags to group data. You can also manage the passwords themselves. Obviously there is a history so you can easily go back to old passwords but there is also the option to audit the passwords. This audit can show the weak passwords, how old passwords are, duplicates and so on. This gives you a tighter control over your passwords and thus can make things more secure. You can also use it for creating time based 1-time passwords (great for 2-factor authentication).
Another part of 1Password that is very useful is its software management part. You can store all your software licenses in 1Password and add details such as download links, purchase date, price, support info and so on.

Lastly there is integration with all sorts of software from all sorts of developers on both iOS and macOS. They also have versions for Android and Windows. Especially the integration with 3rd party apps on iOS is great, it saves a lot of copy-pasting. Quite a lot of websites also support 1Password. A good example is MacUpdate. If you buy anything from them you can download it as a 1Password entry and add it to your vault by simply double clicking the file (and if you buy a pack it'll will actually be 1 file for the entire pack; all the pieces of software will be added 1 by 1).

I quite like that the developer is also actively blogging about various security aspects. They also give quite a lot of details about their software (there is a paper about their security design (pdf) and their article about their proprietary file format also gives a good overview of 1Password as well as where it differs from Keychain). The only thing I dislike is the price increase. It is now twice as much as it was 2~3 years ago. They didn't add all that much, mostly the team and family subscription service (which you have to pay for separately...IIRC you do get the full 1P version for free with those subscriptions).
 
To me, 1Password is a database that holds so much more than passwords. Like others have mentioned, I store all my software licenses in there, sensitive information, bank accounts, insurances, passports etc etc.
I keep all the information sync'ed between my devices through Dropbox, since I choose not to put my trust in iCloud.

really? I would have thought (and I have heard repeatedly) that icloud is very secure in comparison to DropBox or Google Drive. What makes you not put your trust into an Apple based cloud? Apple does have good security measures with alot of there stuff so curious what you know that I dont know?
 
1Password is $64.99 in the Mac Store ... Is this a 1-time purchase? Does it include the family plan? Does this purchase allow it to be used across all devices (Mac, iPhone, etc)?
 
One feature that I really appreciate with 1Password that I haven't seen mentioned here is Watchtower. It's something you can turn on that pulls in a list of sites that have had security issues and lets you know if you need to/should update your passwords.

This is all handled in-app, they pull down the list from their servers into the app, and then use that list in-app to notify you of these issues. Especially nice is that they cover a few different states for things. They'll keep you updated on when sites have issues identified and when they've been resolved, all without you having to go anywhere to check your details anywhere else.

There's also a whole pile of other security auditing features that they offer, all within the app, to help ensure you're keeping your passwords in order. None of it is forced upon you, but it's really handy to have on hand.
 
really? I would have thought (and I have heard repeatedly) that icloud is very secure in comparison to DropBox or Google Drive. What makes you not put your trust into an Apple based cloud? Apple does have good security measures with alot of there stuff so curious what you know that I dont know?
It's a service from US-based company which has to comply with US law. Outside the US this is considered a huge risk in both security and privacy which has gotten even bigger after the US government, the NSA, etc. have shown that they cannot be trusted at all. Quite a lot of companies actually forbid the use of these kind of services (especially those that are ISO 27001 certified but also the ones with comparable certification regarding storage & processing of data).

However that is not the only definition of "trust". In this case it could be as simple as not trusting iCloud because it is not that fast or stable as Dropbox. This is a comment made by many.

1Password is $64.99 in the Mac Store ... Is this a 1-time purchase? Does it include the family plan? Does this purchase allow it to be used across all devices (Mac, iPhone, etc)?
It is a 1-time purchase which doesn't include the Families and Teams plans. Families and Teams are similar: they are cloud based solutions where Families is mainly geared towards families and Teams is for businesses (or basically anything that isn't a family). These two plans do include the 1Password application. And there appears to be a similar service as Families but for only 1 person.

So simply put you have 5 options:
  1. Just the app without all sorts of bells and whistles; this is the free version
  2. Just the app but with all bells and whistles; this is the $64.99 version
  3. Families plan which is a monthly subscription and includes the app with all bells and whistles (for all platforms)
  4. Teams plan which is like 3 but for anything that isn't a family (for all platforms)
  5. 1Password plan which is like Families but only for 1 person

Option 2 is there for anyone who doesn't like cloud computing or is not allowed to use it (this includes business users).

Just checkout their website for all the information. The pricing page is a good place to start (do read it from top to bottom).
 
So simply put you have 5 options:
  1. Just the app without all sorts of bells and whistles; this is the free version
  2. Just the app but with all bells and whistles; this is the $64.99 version
  3. Families plan which is a monthly subscription and includes the app with all bells and whistles (for all platforms)
  4. Teams plan which is like 3 but for anything that isn't a family (for all platforms)
  5. 1Password plan which is like Families but only for 1 person

Option 2 is there for anyone who doesn't like cloud computing or is not allowed to use it (this includes business users).

Just checkout their website for all the information. The pricing page is a good place to start (do read it from top to bottom).

Thanks for the explanation. Just a couple of questions:

So Option 3 is the one purchased through the 1password website? And with this one, both my wife and I would be able to use 1Password on our Macs and iPhones for a total of $4.99? And we could do this via iCloud or Dropbox?

With Option 2 both of us would have to purchase for $64.99? Would I also need to purchase the app for my iPhone?
 
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Thanks for the explanation. Just a couple of questions:

So Option 3 is the one purchased through the 1password website? And with this one, both my wife and I would be able to use 1Password on our Macs and iPhones for a total of $4.99? And we could do this via iCloud or Dropbox?

With Option 2 both of us would have to purchase for $64.99? Would I also need to purchase the app for my iPhone?

I believe the plans (options #3, #4, and #4) are billed monthly per user. So For you and your wife it would be $9.98 per month. The plan options (I use #5 myself) seem to be able to sync via iCloud, Dropbox, and 1Password's own syncing systems.

With option #2 if you share the same Apple Account then you'd only need to purchase the app once, but all usernames/passwords would be shared between you. Not sure if that's a deal breaker or not. Their iOS App also recently went free with an in app purchase to unlock some features.

Hope some of this helps.
 
I believe the plans (options #3, #4, and #4) are billed monthly per user. So For you and your wife it would be $9.98 per month. The plan options (I use #5 myself) seem to be able to sync via iCloud, Dropbox, and 1Password's own syncing systems.

With option #2 if you share the same Apple Account then you'd only need to purchase the app once, but all usernames/passwords would be shared between you. Not sure if that's a deal breaker or not. Their iOS App also recently went free with an in app purchase to unlock some features.

Hope some of this helps.

Do you know If the 1Password apps in the App Store go on sale?
 
As stated, options 3, 4 and 5 are subscriptions you pay for each month. The website I linked to has all the pricing details. If you want to use it between you and your wife then the Families one seems to be the one to look at.

You can also buy the OS X version of their app from their website. Don't know if they still do it but this has the advantage of upgrade discounts. The other advantage is being able to buy it for both OS X and Windows; you get a discount on that.
 
I believe the plans (options #3, #4, and #4) are billed monthly per user. So For you and your wife it would be $9.98 per month. The plan options (I use #5 myself) seem to be able to sync via iCloud, Dropbox, and 1Password's own syncing systems.

That doesn't make sense for Option 3 if you pay per user. What is the reasoning for paying $4.99 if each user has to pay? You might as well do the Individual Plan at $2.99 IMO. I was under the impression that the Family Plan allowed up to 5 users?
 
It is not different. iCloud Keychain does the same thing.
I Cloud Keychain and 1Password are totally different products. From your comment, I think you either don't own 1Password or if you do, then don't know how to use it to its full potential.

I use 1Password to store all kinds of sensitive information which cannot be stored in Cloud Keychain or used properly when you are dealing with situations that needs no computer interface but a human interface, like giving Passport details, Drivers License particulars, Software License Keys, Bank Account details like Swift IBAN, routing codes etc, Safe combinations, Frequent Flyer IDs, Personal IDs etc, and the best thing is, you can have the scanned pictures of all these documents/IDs attached to these entries.

iCloud Keychain is only good for storing passwords for Safari and Mac etc, but it's not going to help you to give your Frequent Flyer number at the check in counter, or fill in the bank details for a transfer instruction while you are writing a letter to a bank, or enter the software activation key when you are re-installing a software.

1Password is one of the most useful programs I have and I iCloud is not in the same league.
 
Got it but what I was getting at was the comment about keychain using iCloud and it being on a server where it can be compromised. So how is 1password different if it has to be synced across a cloud service also?

It is not different. iCloud Keychain does the same thing.

I Cloud Keychain and 1Password are totally different products. From your comment, I think you either don't own 1Password or if you do, then don't know how to use it to its full potential.

I don't what you are rambling on about. My comment was an answer to a specific issue related to syncing in the cloud. If you had bothered to read the thread it is very easy to see that.
 
I don't what you are rambling on about. My comment was an answer to a specific issue related to syncing in the cloud. If you had bothered to read the thread it is very easy to see that.
I'm just rambling about your comments or implications about iCloud Chain and 1Password are basically the same thing.

I did read the whole thread, and I realize that you are specifically saying they both sync similarly. You are right but the similarity ends there.

All I'm saying is that iCloud Chain and 1Password are totally different products. They may complement each other but iCloud is not a substitute for 1Password.
 
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If I were to use 1Password, does it only store using Dropbox? And I guess I'm getting mixed up in how this works with my iPhone?

If you buy the subscription version of 1Password, the syncing is done by AgileBits server. If you buy the standalone version then you install the Dropbox app on the iPhone and on the Mac and the passwords are shared via Dropbox.
 
I'm just rambling about your comments or implications about iCloud Chain and 1Password are basically the same thing.

Read the whole thread. I never said that.

All I'm saying is that iCloud Chain and 1Password are totally different products. They may complement each other but iCloud is not a substitute for 1Password.

Sure it is for some (many) people. If you really need the extra features like cross platform sync I mentioned for example, then by all means have at it. But for many people who just need password storage and sync or secure notes, Keychain and secure Notes does all you need.
 
I have found several of my passwords for websites not autofilling due to it being over several pages i.e. userID on one, photo confirmation of site on another, password on the third. Some do not allow autofill from keychain. Does 1PPW have any holes in coverage like this?
With 1Password I have separate entries for each page in the login process, so I click on the "Part 1" entry to send the browser to the site and enter the first part of the password, then click on "Part 2" entry to complete the login. There are some sites it refuses to autofill, but it is easy to copy and paste the password, far easier than doing so from Keychain.
 
If you buy the subscription version of 1Password, the syncing is done by AgileBits server. If you buy the standalone version then you install the Dropbox app on the iPhone and on the Mac and the passwords are shared via Dropbox.
The Mac App Store version allows syncing either using iCloud or Dropbox. One caveat though, you can only sync one vault on iCloud whereas Dropbox allows you to sync multiple vaults. Of course you can mix iCloud with Dropbox. I sync my main vault using iCloud and the secondary vault containing older archived items using Dropbox.
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Read the whole thread. I never said that.



Sure it is for some (many) people. If you really need the extra features like cross platform sync I mentioned for example, then by all means have at it. But for many people who just need password storage and sync or secure notes, Keychain and secure Notes does all you need.
I Agree. I just got the impression that you were implying both were basically the same thing. I may have misinterpreted your comments.
 
really? I would have thought (and I have heard repeatedly) that icloud is very secure in comparison to DropBox or Google Drive. What makes you not put your trust into an Apple based cloud? Apple does have good security measures with alot of there stuff so curious what you know that I dont know?

Rather than security, I was referring to sheer functioning. For me, iCloud sync is not trustworthy at all. It hardly ever works. Only this evening, less than an hour ago, iCal entries stopped syncing between my devices. Last week it was Notes. The GoodNotes app is a constant sorrow.
Oh yes, every now and then I try to switch back to stock apps (that use iCloud of course), because I would really like to use them instead of 3rd party's. But on each and every attempt I simply have to get back to these 3rd party's because of sync issues.

If you ask for my opinion, iCloud s:apple:cks :mad:
YMMV
 
Rather than security, I was referring to sheer functioning. For me, iCloud sync is not trustworthy at all. It hardly ever works. Only this evening, less than an hour ago, iCal entries stopped syncing between my devices. Last week it was Notes. The GoodNotes app is a constant sorrow.
Oh yes, every now and then I try to switch back to stock apps (that use iCloud of course), because I would really like to use them instead of 3rd party's. But on each and every attempt I simply have to get back to these 3rd party's because of sync issues.

If you ask for my opinion, iCloud s:apple:cks :mad:
YMMV

oh ok cool i was just curious. I use iCloud for alot and i havent had an issue yet but I guess for some it has been problematic.

I like iCloud for the security aspect.

Nonetheless I think i may give 1Password a try though. I currently store all my DL, passport and info you guys mention on my iCloud but to have it all on one application seems cool.

Also Keychain doesent autofill passwords for my IOS apps so since 1Password does this I may give it shot

Also I like the password generator. I do that myself but its intensive process and when I need to change it
 
Many of you use 1Passwords for uses like credit cards, licenses, etc. If I just need it for passwords, is 1Password worth the money?
 
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