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deeddawg

macrumors G5
Jun 14, 2010
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The iphone7 I ordered will be my first Next phone, I prefer to just buy them outright and make my "payments" into savings towards the next phone. Only reason I went with Next this time was AT&T saying they'll cover the cost of a base model via credits. As I've no particularly reason to change carriers anytime soon, I'll let them pay for most of a new phone even though my ip6 is still working just fine.
 

ClutchThese

macrumors 65816
Jun 25, 2010
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Alexandria, VA
If it was such a BIG deal to you, you could have investigated it yourself instead of relying on this person and then being upset when they're wrong.

General
  1. Credit check required. The iPhone Upgrade Program is available to qualified end-user customers only.
  2. Must be at least 18 years old (or the legal age of majority in your jurisdiction of residence) to enroll in the iPhone Upgrade Program.
  3. An eligible iPhone includes iPhones that are designated for inclusion in the iPhone Upgrade Program by Apple.
  4. An eligible carrier includes wireless carriers that are designated for inclusion in the iPhone Upgrade Program by Apple.
  5. The iPhone Upgrade Program requires a valid and eligible U.S.-issued credit card as designated for inclusion in the iPhone Upgrade Program. Debit and prepaid cards are not accepted.
  6. The iPhone Upgrade Program cannot be combined with any other promotions, discounts, or offers (“Offers”), unless specifically provided for in the Offers terms and conditions.
  7. Enrollment limits may apply.
  8. By enrolling in the iPhone Upgrade Program, you understand and agree that Apple, its subsidiaries and agents, the Bank, and Trade-In Service Provider may collect, process, transmit, maintain, share, and use certain of your personal information, such as your name, mailing address, email address, and information related to your loan and loan status, in order to perform the service and support obligations under your iPhone Upgrade Program. You may receive periodic iPhone Upgrade Program-related texts, emails, or other communications from Apple, such as notices regarding expiration of your account, upgrade eligibility, and changes to the iPhone Upgrade Program Terms & Conditions. You may also receive requests to participate in surveys related to the iPhone Upgrade Program. At all times Apple will treat your information in accordance with the Apple Privacy Policy, available at www.apple.com/privacy. Any information collected by the Bank and Trade-In Service Provider will be subject to their respective privacy policies.

This is all right on Apple's website.
 
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OneMike

macrumors 603
Oct 19, 2005
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So I was told in-store there would be no "hard" credit check. Total lie. My score went from 829 to 809 today. Pissed.

One reason to never finance a phone or at least do it through your carrier where the only credit check is when you first start service.
 
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tjleonard

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Jun 25, 2013
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If it was such a BIG deal to you, you could have investigated it yourself instead of relying on this person and then being upset when they're wrong.



This is all right on Apple's website.
I agree with it not being a big deal since his score is pretty high, however, when you ask someone that does this all the time a question, he shouldn't have to do research. Granted, it would prevent this situation, but I would expect the correct answer just like he did.
 

Beau1K

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Mar 5, 2008
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If it was such a BIG deal to you, you could have investigated it yourself instead of relying on this person and then being upset when they're wrong.

This is all right on Apple's website.

As stated I was told there would be a credit check but it was a "soft" check which can be done to gain insight into ones credit history without pulling the full credit history.

It is more about the fact that I was given misinformation by the company from which I was purchasing a product at the company store more than anything else.
 

ClutchThese

macrumors 65816
Jun 25, 2010
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I agree with it not being a big deal since his score is pretty high, however, when you ask someone that does this all the time a question, he shouldn't have to do research. Granted, it would prevent this situation, but I would expect the correct answer just like he did.

They sell phones...not FICO ratings. I highly doubt they know the first thing about how a FICO rating even works.

It may be beneficial for the OP to figure out what a hard and soft pull are. Anytime YOU are requesting credit, you'll get a hard pull... period.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
8,881
10,990
So I was told in-store there would be no "hard" credit check. Total lie. My score went from 829 to 809 today. Pissed.

You must of had other hard checks recently. My credit is in the same range as yours, and I never experienced a 20 point lose from just one hard check.
 

Supermallet

macrumors 68000
Sep 19, 2014
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So I was told in-store there would be no "hard" credit check. Total lie. My score went from 829 to 809 today. Pissed.

Was this for the regular financing option or through the IUP? If the latter, why are they pulling your credit so early?
 

Beau1K

macrumors newbie
Original poster
Mar 5, 2008
17
5
Huntington Beach, CA
It may be beneficial for the OP to figure out what a hard and soft pull are. Anytime YOU are requesting credit, you'll get a hard pull... period.

I don't think that's 100% correct. I understand this to be at the lenders discretion and if I ask a question from a company rep I assume they are telling me the truth. This is what training is for right?

Additionally, when you secure a loan by placing a credit card on file and tie it to a wireless provider account one could assume that's enough to warrant not performing a hard inquiry.
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Was this for the regular financing option or through the IUP? If the latter, why are they pulling your credit so early?

U have to pay the tax immediately and I think the first months payment? I'd have to look but anyhow you have to pay immediately.
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You must of had other hard checks recently. My credit is in the same range as yours, and I never experienced a 20 point lose from just one hard check.

Yeah no crap that's why I posted the thread I was astonished!!!!
 

Supermallet

macrumors 68000
Sep 19, 2014
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U have to pay the tax immediately and I think the first months payment? I'd have to look but anyhow you have to pay immediately.

Again, was this with regular financing or the IUP? Because with the IUP don't they run your credit at the store when you pick up your phone?

Maybe it's different for people signing up to the IUP for the first time and those who are re-upping from last year?
 

BigMcGuire

Cancelled
Jan 10, 2012
9,832
14,032
My credit rating was/is under 700 and I got accepted for my phone and my wife's phone. Next time I'm probably going to avoid all this crap and just pay outright after saving up for awhile - a big "if" I can.

Yeah the hard pulls suck and before I signed up for the Apple Upgrade plan, forums were full of misinformation / people not sure and a lot of people unhappy about the hard pull. I went in hoping to get the Apple Upgrade Plan but was prepared to pay out of pocket if I had to (trading in 2 6+ phones @ $300 each helped).

I remember the first payment being a lot because it had tax + first month's payment. Going to do my best to keep my phone 2+ years (going to try 3!).
 
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LoveMyMacPro

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Aug 22, 2015
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U have to pay the tax immediately and I think the first months payment? I'd have to look but anyhow you have to pay immediately.

Another good reason to go through your carrier and not Apple. I didn't have to pay a dime upfront, no credit check and I qualify for a $33 a month service credit.
 

deeddawg

macrumors G5
Jun 14, 2010
12,468
6,571
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Another good reason to go through your carrier and not Apple. I didn't have to pay a dime upfront, no credit check and I qualify for a $33 a month service credit.
No sales tax where you are?

Typically on any of the carrier-financed stuff you're buying the phone, they're just financing it, and so sales tax on the full value is due up front.

At least that's how it is with AT&T, if the others are doing some other mechanism it'd be interesting to understand how they're deferring the sales tax.
 

LoveMyMacPro

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Aug 22, 2015
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No sales tax where you are?

Typically on any of the carrier-financed stuff you're buying the phone, they're just financing it, and so sales tax on the full value is due up front.

At least that's how it is with AT&T, if the others are doing some other mechanism it'd be interesting to understand how they're deferring the sales tax.

Yes, we have sales tax but, since my total for the order was $0, 8% of $0 is $0.
 

jk4lebron23

macrumors 65816
Apr 6, 2010
1,123
180
Nashville,TN
I'd just be thrilled to have that high of a credit score, at that point screw a 20 point drop because I don't think it's really going to hurt you.

Being barely 25 and having obvious loans sucks when it comes to building your score up but that's life.
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Yes, we have sales tax but, since my total for the order was $0, 8% of $0 is $0.

I had to pay tax on mine and I did the same thing, must be nice!
 

powerbook911

macrumors 601
Mar 15, 2005
4,003
383
I placed two orders, different lines, same credit card. Anyone know if both Upgrade Program applications would get a hard hit, or only the first one? Thanks! Oh, and I placed them a day apart! Same online Apple account.
 

TallManNY

macrumors 601
Nov 5, 2007
4,792
1,674
That is a crazy high credit score. Definitely room for it to drop and still be eligible for all the best deals. But maybe it is checking on stuff like Apple doing hard check which has allowed the OP to get and keep such a high score.
 

imlynxy

macrumors 65816
Mar 8, 2012
1,430
626
So I was told in-store there would be no "hard" credit check. Total lie. My score went from 829 to 809 today. Pissed.

My credit score dropped 6 points only. There is no difference in real life after 720-740 when you apply for credit. I agree with you that they shouldn't hard pull credit.

Next year I better open some CC spend some money towards iphones, get 400-500 bonus dollars and close it. (like Chase Preffered , you spend 4000, get 500). If I buy 4 iPhones I would have 1/2 iPhone for free. I doubt I go with Apple Upgrade again if I need to pull my credit, I better get some cash instead.
 
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