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bibigon

macrumors member
Aug 29, 2011
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Yeah dude I get the whole trade-in part, but then you get get locked into another conttract paying Apple for another 2 years every time you do that. Is it really worth it? Having a new monthly payment in your life on top of everything else we already pay for...especially for something dumb like a cell phone. I like having things fully paid for, instead of adding more bills into my life but that's just me.
What do I care if it's a monthly bill or not? It's the total amount that matters to me. The cost is either $550/year via Apple, or $970 less the resale price of the phone via buying outright.
 

JayLenochiniMac

macrumors G5
Nov 7, 2007
12,819
2,390
New Sanfrakota
Yeah dude I get the whole trade-in part, but then you get get locked into another conttract paying Apple for another 2 years every time you do that. Is it really worth it? Having a new monthly payment in your life on top of everything else we already pay for...especially for something dumb like a cell phone. I like having things fully paid for, instead of adding more bills into my life but that's just me.

Again, you come out roughly the same. Don't assume that everyone who's financing is living beyond their means. It's at 0% anyway.
 

Nanotyrns

macrumors 65816
Sep 16, 2012
1,443
1,478
Denver
For it to be a "lie" the person in store had to knowingly tell you incorrect info. Never attribute to malice that which is explained by simple stupidity. My bet would be on the employee being clueless.

Just curious, how does temporarily dropping from 829 to 809 materially affect your life? What is the real world impact you will actually face from this event?
You reminded me of this from Lifehacker a month or so back --

Your Credit Score Doesn't Matter Unless It's Bad
 

deeddawg

macrumors G5
Jun 14, 2010
12,468
6,571
US
Again, you come out roughly the same. Don't assume that everyone who's financing is living beyond their means. It's at 0% anyway.
Bingo. Doesn't matter if you take your money and buy it outright, or you leave your money in your savings account and pay 1/24th of the total each month. At the end of 24 months you're in the same place. Or, any point you want to, pay off the remaining balance. The only difference is whether you need the phone unlocked during that time period; if you don't then there's no reason not to.
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
51,392
19,461
Bingo. Doesn't matter if you take your money and buy it outright, or you leave your money in your savings account and pay 1/24th of the total each month. At the end of 24 months you're in the same place. Or, any point you want to, pay off the remaining balance. The only difference is whether you need the phone unlocked during that time period; if you don't then there's no reason not to.
And if you are with Verizon, for example, then your phone is unlocked from the beginning too.
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
51,392
19,461
All iPhones through the IUP are unlocked, unless you meant "world iPhones" (compatible with both GSM and CDMA).
Even more so then, as far as it goes in reply to that earlier post that mentioned there being a difference depending on whether or not you needed the phone unlocked during the time you are financing.
 

deeddawg

macrumors G5
Jun 14, 2010
12,468
6,571
US
And if you are with Verizon, for example, then your phone is unlocked from the beginning too.
Very true. Too bad Verizon service sucks at my home. They're a non-starter for me due to that. Haven't paid much attention to their plans of course, but are they still a fair bit pricier than the others? Or have they finally gotten more competitive?
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
51,392
19,461
Very true. Too bad Verizon service sucks at my home. They're a non-starter for me due to that. Haven't paid much attention to their plans of course, but are they still a fair bit pricier than the others? Or have they finally gotten more competitive?
Well seems like they are all unlocked when IUP is used based on what was mentioned earlier.
 

deeddawg

macrumors G5
Jun 14, 2010
12,468
6,571
US
Well seems like they are all unlocked when IUP is used based on what was mentioned earlier.
IUP embeds an extra $128 for Applecare+ which changes the equation substantially.

While it nets out the same for whose who would buy it anyway, it's a crappy deal for those who wouldn't buy it.
 

ZipZap

macrumors 603
Dec 14, 2007
6,112
1,467
FICO only applies to Experian. The other bureaus calculate their own score using their own formulation.
 

JayLenochiniMac

macrumors G5
Nov 7, 2007
12,819
2,390
New Sanfrakota
IUP embeds an extra $128 for Applecare+ which changes the equation substantially.

While it nets out the same for whose who would buy it anyway, it's a crappy deal for those who wouldn't buy it.

True. It's kind of a waste if we upgrade yearly, but I guess Apple doesn't want people to be turning in damaged iPhones and leave Apple holding the bag. They should rebate IUP customers $50 if they manage to go the full year without using the deductible. After all, they're already prorating customers $50 when they cancel AC+ after a year and haven't used their deductibles.
 

deeddawg

macrumors G5
Jun 14, 2010
12,468
6,571
US
FICO only applies to Experian. The other bureaus calculate their own score using their own formulation.
So the MyFico site is wrong when it says the following?
You have FICO® Scores for each of the three credit bureaus: Equifax, TransUnion and Experian. Each FICO® Score is based on information the credit bureau keeps on file about you.

FICO® Scores from each credit bureau consider only the data in your credit reports at that bureau. Your credit scores may be different at each of the credit bureaus. If your current scores from the credit bureaus are different, it’s probably because the information those bureaus have on you differs. If your information is identical at all three credit reporting bureaus, your FICO® Scores from the same version from each bureau should be relatively close.

And which of the 49+ FICO scores are you referencing?
 

newellj

macrumors G3
Oct 15, 2014
8,154
3,047
East of Eden
IUP embeds an extra $128 for Applecare+ which changes the equation substantially.

While it nets out the same for whose who would buy it anyway, it's a crappy deal for those who wouldn't buy it.

I agree, but it's not quite as bad as I thought at first. The AC+ charge at least is effectively pro rated over the theoretical 12 months that you own the phone - you are paying for it monthly (with zero interest), and you stop paying when you hand the phone back to Apple for an upgrade.
 

deeddawg

macrumors G5
Jun 14, 2010
12,468
6,571
US
The AC+ charge at least is effectively pro rated over the theoretical 12 months that you own the phone

More and more folks are keeping phones for two years or more. I'm about half and half, it depends on what new features are introduced. I've done 4, 4s, 5s, 6, and 7. I honestly wasn't going to upgrade to the 7 before AT&T issued the $650 promo. If in 2017 there's something to induce me to upgrade, my 7 will go to a family member.
 

Mrbobb

macrumors 603
Aug 27, 2012
5,009
209
Never understood what this "hard check" is all about. Why do you get drop by a simple inquiry? is there s "soft check?"
 

snsking

macrumors 6502
Jun 10, 2013
369
79
Never understood what this "hard check" is all about. Why do you get drop by a simple inquiry? is there s "soft check?"
Yup there's soft checks and hard checks. A typical example of a soft check is opening a checking account at a bank. A hard check is a lender looking at your credit report and opening a line of credit for you/loan/etc.
 

SassyNyx

macrumors newbie
Sep 23, 2016
16
9
So I was told in-store there would be no "hard" credit check. Total lie. My score went from 829 to 809 today. Pissed.

I read somewhere on the apple website that the IUP involved a hard credit check, which is why I ordered through Verizon.


Is another credit check required when I upgrade my iPhone?
Yes, you will need to provide a valid U.S. credit card and your Social Security number for a credit check when you upgrade.
http://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program

My husband wants to buy a new truck in a few months and Id rather save my next hard credit check for that.
 

Amplelink

macrumors 65816
Oct 8, 2012
1,013
458
For it to be a "lie" the person in store had to knowingly tell you incorrect info. Never attribute to malice that which is explained by simple stupidity. My bet would be on the employee being clueless.

Just curious, how does temporarily dropping from 829 to 809 materially affect your life? What is the real world impact you will actually face from this event?

I was about to say the same. 809? Oh boo hoo hoo, woe is you!
 

Mr_Killjoy

Suspended
Sep 19, 2016
118
210
We literally grilled this chick for 5 minutes and she said it over and over citing her personal experience so it just is kind of annoying more than anything.

You goto an Apple Store and you have to get in a cue to speak with somebody who is meant to be an expert, because the people registering you for the cue are super clueless. I just expected a positive answer YES/NO or a "let me check on that for you." So either she was just a moron...and she's working retail so that can't be ruled out...or they train their people to say this so people aren't dissuaded from signing up.

While obviously an 809 is fine, It has been a long term goal through careful management to achieve as close to 850 as possible. I just paid off a car loan too so I was expecting a positive change and this just pours water on my whole fantasy.

And to the poster RE "wait until you have a real problem"...I hear ya man this is a 1st world problem but isn't that what forums are for!?

Maybe buy things with money that you actually have rather than on credit if you're that worried about it? But then again, you'd actually have to acquire said money, rather than rely on credit funds and the masturbatory musings that come with bragging about your score. :rolleyes:

The insults and condescension towards the Apple Store employee show the type of person you are. Shame on you. That "chick" is working to provide for herself. She doesn't deserve to be insulted and ridiculed on a public forum because you decide she's a lesser person than you. She told you there would be a credit hit. You chose to not do any research, and further, you chose to buy a product with a loan, rather than to pay for it.

You can insult people like that girl at the Apple Store all you want - at the end of the day, you're still owned, like a dog, by your creditors. ;)
 
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newellj

macrumors G3
Oct 15, 2014
8,154
3,047
East of Eden
More and more folks are keeping phones for two years or more. I'm about half and half, it depends on what new features are introduced. I've done 4, 4s, 5s, 6, and 7. I honestly wasn't going to upgrade to the 7 before AT&T issued the $650 promo. If in 2017 there's something to induce me to upgrade, my 7 will go to a family member.

I hear you. I had 4, 4S, 5, 5S and 6. The 6S upgrade wasn't persuasive to me. I bought a pair of 7s but the IC noise on the HD video recording was intolerable, especially since I figured I would quite possibly keep the phone for two years. I am going to see whether/how soon Apple fixes this before I decide on another pair of 7s.

If you do keep the phone for two years, I guess the IUP can still make sense. You can see it this way: you can do two year 0% financing without AC+ and without the option to put the phone back to Apple (the regular 0% financing program), or you can pay for the phone and AC+ over two years at 0%, and you have the option to put the phone back to Apple at any time after you've made 12 payments (IUP).
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I read somewhere on the apple website that the IUP involved a hard credit check, which is why I ordered through Verizon.


Is another credit check required when I upgrade my iPhone?
Yes, you will need to provide a valid U.S. credit card and your Social Security number for a credit check when you upgrade.
http://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program

My husband wants to buy a new truck in a few months and Id rather save my next hard credit check for that.

If 20 points makes the difference on a new vehicle, someone really should be paying cash...
 

vikingjunior

Cancelled
Aug 17, 2011
1,319
590
My credit score went up since applying for the Apple iPhone financing. Reason is they extended me a couple of thousand dollars line of credit which in turn lowered my debt to credit utilization which makes up 35% of your credit score. Hard inquiries only make up 10% of your score.
 
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