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Resolved 2006/2007 Mac Pro (1,1/2,1) and OS X Yosemite

Hennesie2000

Hennesie2000

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brianbrook said:
Bottlenecking applies to gaming, if that's what your into then why a Mac Pro, the 960 works great for Resolve, After Effects/Premiere etc....
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Bottlenecking applies to anything that could fully utilize the card. Using those apps you are probably only using less than half the cards power because it will be limited by what the CPUs can send to it and the bandwidth available. The card is designed for a PCIe Gen 3 x16 slot and you are basically running it in an x4 slot. It will easily saturate that bandwidth and be bottlenecked.
 
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cms062407

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brianbrook said:
It will work w/ your 6-pin and apple drivers in Yosemite but install this:http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/89538/en-us
BEFORE you put in the GPU in slot 1 16X then boot up and install these latest Cuda drivers:http://www.nvidia.com/object/macosx-cuda-7.5.25-driver.html

Why did you get rid of the 970, you could be rockin' it right now!! :)
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Thanks, I will see if my local frys has the card in stock.

I got rid of the 970 because it was part of a pc build that I sold.
 
brianbrook

brianbrook

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Your estimation of half does not translate to 10 open nodes and real-time RAW Debayering, the SSD and 32 Gigs of RAM parlay the 960's Cuda cores in Resolve and I get performance VERY close to an I7 980 Ti set-up at a minuscule fraction of that cost, so take your general ideas of bottlenecking and open your mind to real-world use.
 
Hennesie2000

Hennesie2000

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brianbrook said:
Your estimation of half does not translate to 10 open nodes and real-time RAW Debayering, the SSD and 32 Gigs of RAM parlay the 960's Cuda cores in Resolve and I get performance VERY close to an I7 980 Ti set-up at a minuscule fraction of that cost, so take your general ideas of bottlenecking and open your mind to real-world use.
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If you have a benchmark I will gladly compare it to my Hackintosh with an i7-4790K @ 4.4GHz, 32GB Ram @ 2133MHz, GTX 970, and a M.2 SSD.
 
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cms062407

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Hennesie2000 said:
If you have a benchmark I will gladly compare it to my Hackintosh with an i7-4790K @ 4.4GHz, 32GB Ram @ 2133MHz, GTX 970, and a M.2 SSD.
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Hennesie, since brian recommends I get the 960 for my price range, just curious, what would you recommend for between 200-225? thanks
 
brianbrook

brianbrook

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My comparison was to my own PC setup! There is no doubt with your Hack specs that you will benchmark higher! The funny thing is that a 10 year old $500 investment comes so very close to a $1500 PC....BTW Thank you for that pre-patched 10.10, that's what I used first and it worked great!
 
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cms062407

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brianbrook said:
Your estimation of half does not translate to 10 open nodes and real-time RAW Debayering, the SSD and 32 Gigs of RAM parlay the 960's Cuda cores in Resolve and I get performance VERY close to an I7 980 Ti set-up at a minuscule fraction of that cost, so take your general ideas of bottlenecking and open your mind to real-world use.
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hmm, I see there is a 950. I would imagine that would work just fine for me ...it still looks to be an awesome card.
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brianbrook said:
My comparison was to my own PC setup! There is no doubt with your Hack specs that you will benchmark higher! The funny thing is that a 10 year old $500 investment comes so very close to a $1500 PC....BTW Thank you for that pre-patched 10.10, that's what I used first and it worked great!
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http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-...e=UTF8&qid=1453864542&sr=8-1&keywords=950+ftw

seems like a really great card for only 160....the FTW version of the 960 would be nearly 100 more..
 
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cms062407

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So, I got everything installed correctly. Got the 960 installed and everything runs great. However, when I hit restart, it will restart twice.

So, it restarts at first..I hear the chime...and about 5-7 seconds later I hear the chime again, and it boots up normally the second time around.


Anyone know the issue??

Thanks
 
Hennesie2000

Hennesie2000

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cms062407 said:
So, I got everything installed correctly. Got the 960 installed and everything runs great. However, when I hit restart, it will restart twice.

So, it restarts at first..I hear the chime...and about 5-7 seconds later I hear the chime again, and it boots up normally the second time around.


Anyone know the issue??

Thanks
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Search this thread. I know there was someone else with that issue but don't know if they solved it.
 
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cms062407

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macprobuffalo said:
Is it normal to for the startup chime to ding twice when you turn on the computer?

I have no issues with the computer, it boots quickly. I assumed it was due to the hacked EFI to boot Yosemite but wanted to make sure

Setup:
PC flashed ati 5770
Xenon 5365 cpu's flashed to 2,1 firmware
Raid0 boot disk
24gb ram
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hey, mate. did you ever fix this issue on my end. It did end up happening like you too..after I installed a new video card (gtx960) and a raid 0 setup (850 pros).,..thanks.
 
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minton

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Deepwinter said:
The approach I recommended was to use a partition of an internal drive, iPartition is great for this is you do not want to destroy the data on the drive you want to use, it allows you to create partition from available space non destructively.
Download the image file and mount it, then use SuperDuper! to clone the mounted installer to your internal partition.
Once thats done select your newly cloned drive as the startup drive, re-boot,
Then just follow the installation instructions and you'll have a 10.10.5 Yosemite working on your 1,1 or 2,1 Mac Pro.
(I Don't know if a USB stick would work or not I never tried it, it probably would as long as you can clone from the image to the USB stick)
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Thanks again for the image file. It's working great with a Mac Pro 1,1 with a flashed nvidia 8800 gfx card. I just used Disk Utility to 'restore' the image onto one of the Mac Pro's internal partitions, then selected that as the startup disk in System Preferences.

Is there anything special I have to do / worry about for future updates? (I mean Yosemite updates, not for the El Capitain upgrade)
 
Deepwinter

Deepwinter

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minton said:
Thanks again for the image file. It's working great with a Mac Pro 1,1 with a flashed nvidia 8800 gfx card. I just used Disk Utility to 'restore' the image onto one of the Mac Pro's internal partitions, then selected that as the startup disk in System Preferences.

Is there anything special I have to do / worry about for future updates? (I mean Yosemite updates, not for the El Capitain upgrade)
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glad it worked and no you can update from the appstore as normal.
 
Wolwerine

Wolwerine

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Mr. Zarniwoop said:
This first post is usually updated with recent summarized information.


Simply looking to download the Piker-Alpha macosxbootloader? Links:
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If you have OS X Yosemite up and running on your 2006/2007 Mac Pro with Pike's boot loader, this is how to make sure OS X Yosemite updates (like the OS X Yosemite 10.10.2 Update) don't break your ability to boot Yosemite:
  1. prerequisite: an installed and working OS X Yosemite system with Pike's boot.efi
  2. install the PikeYoseFix script
  3. reboot twice as the second boot is when the PikeYoseFix script is fully installed and executes!
Once the PikeYoseFix script is installed, it does not need to be installed again and it should be safe to install future OS X updates. It automatically runs at every system shutdown re-copying Pike's boot.efi to the proper locations just in case something like an OS X update overwrote it.

If you don't have PikeYoseFix script installed, or if you have OS X installed on a Fusion drive where the PikeYoseFix script doesn't work properly, you should disable "Install OS X updates" and "Install system data files and security updates" in System Preferences > App Store so that OS X doesn't automatically install any future updates that may overwrite Pike's boot.efi.

Lastly, if Pike's boot.efi boot loader was overwritten after an OS X update because you didn't take the precaution of installing the PikeYoseFix script, and you have a folder with question mark on boot, here is a link to instructions on how to restore Pike's boot.efi to restore the ability to boot.
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If you find Pike's boot loader valuable in keeping your 2006/2007 Mac up-to-date, please consider donating to him as a thank you and to encourage future continued development. He's had a tough time with hardware and been developing all this time without access to an actual 2006/2007 Mac Pro! His donation page is in euros, where €20 is around $23 USD, and PayPal will show the actual conversion used at time of donation. I know any amount is highly appreciated.

Even if you don't donate, you may consider simply thanking him via a comment on his blog, as he's done a lot of work without asking for anything in return or benefiting from this project. Thanks Pike!


How can these Macs run Yosemite?

Apple does not support OS X Yosemite on the original 2006/2007 Mac Pro and 2006 Xserve. These 64-bit Mac Pros and Xserves have EFI32 firmware and can't natively boot OS X Yosemite "out-of-the-box", but are easily capable of running it with a different boot loader. Once a new boot loader is used to launch the native 64-bit Yosemite kernel, OS X 10.10 boots and works normally exactly as it does on a 2008 Mac Pro or newer with EFI64 firmware.


Background:

OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard was the first OS X version with optional support for a 64-bit kernel, allowing booting either with a 32-bit or 64-bit kernel. However, Apple did not support booting the 64-bit kernel in Macs that shipped with EFI32 firmware, even if they had 64-bit processors capable of running the 64-bit kernel. When Apple dropped the 32-bit kernel entirely from OS X, starting with OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, EFI32 Macs no longer had an Apple-supported mechanism to boot newer OS X versions.

The last version of OS X officially supported by Apple on the original 2006 Mac Pro MA356LL/A (MacPro1,1), 2007 Mac Pro (8-core) MA1186/A (MacPro2,1) and Xserve (Late 2006) MA409LL/A (Xserve1,1) models was OS X 10.7 Lion, and then only when booted with a 32-bit kernel due to their EFI32 firmware. However, these Macs were the most powerful and upgradable EFI32 models and have a 64-bit architecture, so the user community has been keeping them running with 64-bit kernels and newer OS X releases using a variety of methods.


Two approaches that can be used to boot OS X 10.10 Yosemite on unsupported Mac Pro models:


Piker-Alpha bootloader (preferred approach)

This method, a fork of boot.efi boot loader that thunks EFI64 calls from the 64-bit OS X kernel to the EFI32 firmware.

Additional information about Pike's boot.efi is available at Pike's blog, Universum. There are two variations available, one with a legacy light grey background/dark grey Apple logo boot screen boot.efi that blends with the native EFI32 pre-boot screen (2008-2012 Mac Pro-style), and a new black background/white Apple logo boot screen boot.efi (2013 Mac Pro-style).

With Pike's boot.efi, holding Command-R to start the OS X Recovery System that gets installed with Yosemite is supported, although holding Option/Alt at boot and selecting the "Recovery HD" may not work until the OS X install image in the Recovery system is updated with Pike's boot loader. 2006/2007 Mac Pros do not support Internet Recovery.

After an initial report of failure booting from a Fusion Drive, there has since been a report of success so Fusion Drives may have to be created manually before installing Yosemite.

While this method is preferred because it's a native EFI boot, there is some risk is that installing future Yosemite updates could overwrite Pike's EFI32 boot.efi if Apple were to update the stock EFI64 boot.efi. This would be unusual, but it has happened in a few previous OS X updates and is the case with the 10.10.2 update. If this were to happen, the system would no longer be natively bootable on a 2006/2007 Mac Pro until it had Apple's stock boot.efi replaced with Pike's boot.efi again. A simple approach to help protect against this is PikeYoseFix, a launch daemon that re-copies the EFI32 boot.efi file to proper locations at shutdown.


“Hackintosh” boot loader

This method uses a legacy mode (CSM) boot loader to load the stock 64-bit OS X kernel while emulating EFI NVRAM. Note that the Xserve doesn't support legacy/PC BIOS emulation mode, so it can't directly use this approach.

The Chameleon boot loader was used in MacEFIRom's original approach to booting the 64-bit kernel on the 2006/2007 Mac Pro. Chameleon has since been updated to properly support the Yosemite kernel, and the Clover boot loader was always capable of booting Yosemite since it boots using the stock OS X boot.efi boot loader which in turn loads the Yosemite kernel. After an initial successful report here which used Clover, instructions were posted on how to use Clover to install and boot Yosemite DP1 along with an initial script. A full Mac Pro hardware configuration for Clover to support audio and the ODD SATA ports has been posted.

Booting with Chameleon/Clover is sometimes preferable in configurations with otherwise-unsupported hardware that needs to be initialized and usable in OS X, such as unsupported graphics cards or HDMI audio in certain situations.


Support for Handoff in Yosemite to allow AirDrop, Continuity and Instant Hotspot with iOS 8 devices:

The original Airport Extreme (802.11a/b/g/draft-n Wi-Fi) and Bluetooth 2.0+EDR options from Apple don't support Handoff. Several vendors, including MacVidCards, sell new add-on hardware kits to retrofit older Mac Pros with 802.11ac Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.0 LE that work in 2006/2007 Mac Pros to allow Handoff. There have been reports of needing to sign out of iCloud and then sign in again after replacing WiFi and Bluetooth hardware to enable Handoff.

There has been a report of an OEM Bluetooth 2.0+EDR card causing a conflict with USB devices. If you experience issues with the built-in USB ports under Yosemite, you may also consider removing or upgrading your Bluetooth card.

In Yosemite, both phone calls and SMS from OS X with an iPhone work with a 2006/2007 Mac Pro and are not dependent on OS X Handoff support.


Unsupported original legacy graphics cards vs. Yosemite-supported graphics cards:

Yosemite does not include 64-bit kernel extension device drivers for the original NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT, ATI Radeon X1900 XT, and NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 PCIe graphics cards that shipped with these Mac Pros, nor the ATI Radeon X1300 that shipped with the Xserve (Late 2006), so they do not work properly in Yosemite. These graphics cards display issues such as a very sluggish GUI with no QE/CI support, no framebuffer support (for DVD Player, Geekbench and other programs), graphics artifacts, mouse tearing, inability to change resolutions, bad refresh rates, and other system instabilities. If you need normal graphics support in Yosemite, you will need a newer PCIe graphics card, with popular options being the Apple ATI Radeon HD 5770 Graphics Upgrade Kit for Mac Pro, SAPPHIRE HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 MAC Edition, or many different options of stock and Mac-"flashed" PC cards.

Many, but not all, modern stock non-flashed PC graphics cards with AMD (for OpenCL/OpenGL support) or Nvidia chipsets (for CUDA/OpenCL/OpenGL support) work "plug and play" with Yosemite in 2006/2007 Mac Pros, although the display will remain off until after the OS X Desktop initializes. This means you won't see anything during the boot process.

Compatible properly-Mac-flashed PC cards offer two benefits over stock non-flashed PC cards: allowing a normal boot screen just like a Mac-specific graphics card, and better compatibility in OS X with the card's capabilities/performance/ports. Most, but not all, Mac-flashed ATI/AMD cards have EBC firmware that work in all PCIe-based 2006-2012 Mac Pro models with either EFI32 or EFI64. All newer Mac-flashed Nvidia cards have EFI64 firmware and will act like non-flashed PC cards with no boot screens in EFI32-based 2006/2007 Mac Pros, except for older Mac-flashed Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT/9800 GT/GT 120 cards with EFI32 firmware.
Note also that the 2006/2007 Mac Pro has PCIe 1.1 expansion slots, with the bottom double-wide slot capable of being configured to use a maximum 2.5 GT/s link speed when configured as a x16 lane graphics slot. Yosemite's Expansion Slot Utility, located in /System/Library/Core Services, supports the 2006-2007 Mac Pro to configure the number of lanes available in each slot. PCIe 2.0/3.0 cards that can run at 5.0 GT/s link speed in 2008-2012 Mac Pros can work in 2006/2007 Mac Pros, but only with a PCIe 1.1 maximum 2.5 GT/s link speed.

None of these options are officially supported in these Mac Pros by AMD, Apple, or Nvidia, but can work with either the Piker-Alpha or Chameleon/Clover boot loaders.


iMessage/FaceTime note:

Regardless of approach used, most users cannot initially login to iMessage or FaceTime using their Apple ID from their Mac Pro after installing Yosemite as a security precaution. When trying to login, they receive an iMessage Registration validation code. The solution is to contact Apple support, provide the Mac Pro's serial number, explain that Yosemite was installed and that iMessage isn't working and provide the validation code. Apple then unblocks the Mac Pro, allowing iMessage and FaceTime login immediately and in the future without other issues.
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hy, i would like to konw something, does it really works perfectly or do we find the same problems related to poor graphics acelaration?
 
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Jayss321

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Ok need some serious help here, I have read the first part of the post and I'm confuse, I have a Mac Pro 1.1 with an HD 5770 1GB and 7GB of Ram, I can get a flash drive for like 10 bucks for 8GB or so, BUT I can't get a copy of Mav. at all right now aka another mac that has it ( funny if I did have 1 why bother doing this then ) anyways, is there away to do this so I can try to install Mav. in someway I'm not computer smarts in regarding coding, designer yes but not code itself.
 
Ned603

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Jayss321
I had a similar issue with the install file for Yosemite over the weekend. I found it on a website by doing a search. Had no issues downloading the install. After using the SFOTT 64 on 32 and following the video guide on this like in the first post I get about three minutes into the install and it fails telling me it can't install to my computer because of an issue loading essentials.pkg. I have 8 gigs and a 5770 that boots to the standard boot screen. I tried several times with the same result. Has anyone had the same issue and know of a workaround?
 
Deepwinter

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Jayss321 said:
Ok need some serious help here, I have read the first part of the post and I'm confuse, I have a Mac Pro 1.1 with an HD 5770 1GB and 7GB of Ram, I can get a flash drive for like 10 bucks for 8GB or so, BUT I can't get a copy of Mav. at all right now aka another mac that has it ( funny if I did have 1 why bother doing this then ) anyways, is there away to do this so I can try to install Mav. in someway I'm not computer smarts in regarding coding, designer yes but not code itself.
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I can send you a download link to my installer with everything applied already all you have to do is use SuperDuper to clone it to a partition it only needs to be 8 to 10 GB,(I don't know if it works on a USB drive I dont see why not, but if you have a spare drive it will be quicker then using a usb drive)
It was created following Hennesie2000's guide doc.

Then Boot from it and follow the install instructions as normal, after install you will have a fully functional 10.10.5 Yosemite, that can be updated from the appstore without any problems.
Several people have used without any problems as long as it's a MacPro 1,1 or 2,1, when I was creating it I put all the info in for both.
 
Ned603

Ned603

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Deepwinter said:
I can send you a download link to my installer with everything applied already all you have to do is use SuperDuper to clone it to a partition it only needs to be 8 to 10 GB,(I don't know if it works on a USB drive I dont see why not, but if you have a spare drive it will be quicker then using a usb drive)
It was created following Hennesie2000's guide doc.

Then Boot from it and follow the install instructions as normal, after install you will have a fully functional 10.10.5 Yosemite, that can be updated from the appstore without any problems.
Several people have used without any problems as long as it's a MacPro 1,1 or 2,1, when I was creating it I put all the info in for both.
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Deepwinter, please send me the download link. I have a partition set right now on one of my HD's that I can use. THanks
[doublepost=1455569795][/doublepost]Deepwater, Being that I am a newbie, how are you sending your installer? When can you send it? I have time tonight to install but seeing you are in Dublin I assume have already retired for the night.
[doublepost=1455571767][/doublepost]One thing I forgot to mention. When I tried installing Yosemite last night I was not able to see InstallESD.dmg when I opened InstallESD.dmg. I am using the admin account so I should be the root user - right? I watched the Youtube video in the first link on the forum and there are four files that were visible when InstallESD.dmg is mounted, one being the BeseSystem.DMB file but I could not see them on my Mac.
 
Deepwinter

Deepwinter

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Ned603 said:
Deepwinter, please send me the download link. I have a partition set right now on one of my HD's that I can use. THanks
[doublepost=1455569795][/doublepost]Deepwater, Being that I am a newbie, how are you sending your installer? When can you send it? I have time tonight to install but seeing you are in Dublin I assume have already retired for the night.
[doublepost=1455571767][/doublepost]One thing I forgot to mention. When I tried installing Yosemite last night I was not able to see InstallESD.dmg when I opened InstallESD.dmg. I am using the admin account so I should be the root user - right? I watched the Youtube video in the first link on the forum and there are four files that were visible when InstallESD.dmg is mounted, one being the BeseSystem.DMB file but I could not see them on my Mac.
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Sent it to you, its a Google Drive download link, all you have to do DL the file and mount the image, use SuperDuper! and clone the mounted image to your free partition, once that is done.
Go into System Preferences, Startup Disk and choose your new partition, click restart, then follow the installation instructions as normal, all the relevant files and changes have already been made to the installer so you dont have to do anything with InstallESD.dmg or any other file it's already done and in the installer.

If you want to know how it was made I followed Hennesie2000 guide more or less, after I made all the changes in the guide for my installation I cloned the installer preserving all the changes for anyone else to use.

Hennesie2000 Guide
https://www.icloud.com/pages/000MYC...ite_on_a_Mac_Pro_1,1_or_2,1_-_Boot.efi_Method
 
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Ned603

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Thanks to the installer the Deepwinter sent me I am now up and running on OS X Yosemite 10.10.5. Anyone having a hard time downloading Yosemite should contact Deepwinter for the install. It took some time but zero effort to install. Thanks Deepwinter
 
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Deepwinter

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Ned603 said:
Thanks to the installer the Deepwinter sent me I am now up and running on OS X Yosemite 10.10.5. Anyone having a hard time downloading Yosemite should contact Deepwinter for the install. It took some time but zero effort to install. Thanks Deepwinter
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Your welcome I'm Glad it worked for you,
 
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polo1661

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Dear All

I'm a macuser from France (sorry)

I have a 1.1 Macpro with SSD, 8go of ram and a pc version of the ATI HD5770 under 10.7.5

I try ones to up date with El capitain by installing it on an external drive with a supported mac then change the two boot.efi files and plug in the external drive in my macpro...

It work without problem in a first time,(boot ok) but after fives minutes on the desktop my macpro restart with karnel panic.
Now the restart is just after the login screen.. and it's every time

So i have tow questions :

- any idea of what should i do to fix it ?

- I'm perfectly ok if i have to go for Mavericks or Yosemite but i can't find an "appstore ok" version of both OS, so were should i download them/it ?


Cheers mates for any idea !
Have nice evening
 
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