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I hope so too ! :)

Whilst we're chatting ... and since you used to own a Samsung 840 Evo ... what newer SSD did you upgrade to ? What speeds can the Mac Pro get with a better SSD ? I just tested my MacBook Pro with Apple SSD and it gets nearer 900Mb/s read & write speeds - double my Mac Pro classic !

Now i want more ! :D

Any advice ? What speeds could i get on my Mac Pro ?

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Ha! It depends on how much money you want to spend :D
See here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/amfeltec-x16-pcie-with-4-ssds-5900-mb-s.1936311/

This is what I use:
https://m.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...2.TRC1.A0.H0.Xsm951+ahci.TRS0&_nkw=sm951+ahci
 
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tsialex

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I hope so too ! :)

Whilst we're chatting ... and since you used to own a Samsung 840 Evo ... what newer SSD did you upgrade to ? What speeds can the Mac Pro get with a better SSD ? I just tested my MacBook Pro with Apple SSD and it gets nearer 900Mb/s read & write speeds - double my Mac Pro classic !

Now i want more ! :D

Any advice ? What speeds could i get on my Mac Pro ?

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PCIe adaptors with just one blade, the maximum possible is around 1450MB/s, but you can have multiple blades on a Amfeltec Squid or Highpoint 7101A and get 4x this, if you have deep pockets.

Take a look on these threads:
Amfeltec x16 PCIe with 4 SSDs: 5900+ MB/s
Highpoint 7101A - PCIe 3.0 SSD performance for the cMP

On my home Mac Pro, my main disk is a PCIe Samsung SM951 512GB + Angelbird Wings with a SanDisk Extreme as scratch disk. SM951 gets a little over 1440MB/s read/write. It's a somewhat costly option, SM951 it's a AHCI drive, but the safest and trouble free one. I bought mine on eBay after some months searching for a new one with a decent price, $245 in February, it's higher now.

On my office Mac Pro, I have a no name Chinese PCIe adaptor with a Apple/Samsung SSBUX 512GB, ~1450 read/1375 write. I don't like these cheap adaptors, my home Angelbird Wings never gets hot unlike the Chinese one. I will have to install heatsinks on the SSD blade before the start of the summer here and I really don't recommend this route, unless you need a 1TB AHCI drive.

The biggest SM951 is 512GB, but Apple has a SSBUX version with 1TB. Basically it's the same drive/same controller, since both are made by Samsung, but Apple has different firmware and the pinout of the connector is proprietary, so you don't have options to choose PCIe adapters like on the standard one.

If I was gonna upgrade today, I'd still buy the Angelbird Wings PCIe card but with a Samsung 970EVO 1TB. A little more expensive than the 512GB SM951 but double the space and same performance. It's a NVMe drive, so you have to add NVMe driver on the BootROM.
 
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rodedwards

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PCIe adaptors with just one blade, the maximum possible is around 1450MB/s, but you can have multiple blades on a Amfeltec Squid or Highpoint 7101A and get 4x this, if you have deep pockets.

Take a look on these threads:
Amfeltec x16 PCIe with 4 SSDs: 5900+ MB/s
Highpoint 7101A - PCIe 3.0 SSD performance for the cMP

On my home Mac Pro, my main disk is a PCIe Samsung SM951 512GB + Angelbird Wings with a SanDisk Extreme as scratch disk. SM951 gets a little over 1440MB/s read/write. It's a somewhat costly option, SM951 it's a AHCI drive, but the safest and trouble free one. I bought mine on eBay after some months searching for a new one with a decent price, $245 in February, it's higher now.

On my office Mac Pro, I have a no name Chinese PCIe adaptor with a Apple/Samsung SSBUX 512GB, ~1450 read/1375 write. I don't like these cheap adaptors, my home Angelbird Wings never gets hot unlike the Chinese one. I will have to install heatsinks on the SSD blade before the start of the summer here and I really don't recommend this route, unless you need a 1TB AHCI drive.

The biggest SM951 is 512GB, but Apple has a SSBUX version with 1TB. Basically it's the same drive/same controller, since both are made by Samsung, but Apple has different firmware and the pinout of the connector is proprietary, so you don't have options to choose PCIe adapters like on the standard one.

If I was gonna upgrade today, I'd still buy the Angelbird Wings PCIe card but with a Samsung 970EVO 1TB. A little more expensive than the 512GB SM951 but double the space and same performance. It's a NVMe drive, so you have to add NVMe driver on the BootROM.

Interestingly enough ... i saw that Samsung 970 on Amazon and started getting excited until i saw the price.

Mac Pro classics are great for upgrading but i could spend a lot of money in doing so. Maybe i need to be content with my system, at least for now.

So far things seem hunky dory after all my updates ... but don't like to talk too soon. That TRIM seemed to make a big difference - surprisingly so ... and had wanted to do it for years. The Evo 840 is five years old now so it seems the blocks were all filling up and slowing things down.

Thanks again to you all for your valuable help ...
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I think i need to be a very good boy and hope to get these for Christmas ... ;)
 

rodedwards

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I use my 1TB 840Evo for few years now. I can confirm the current firmware already fix the slow read issue.

Yep, seems to have made a big difference. I never realised just how slow the write speeds were until i fixed it ... :)
 

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On my office Mac Pro, I have a no name Chinese PCIe adaptor with a Apple/Samsung SSBUX 512GB, ~1450 read/1375 write.

On my Mac Pro with a Sintec Adaptor and an Apple/Samsung SSUBX 512GB I get 1505~1520 /sec reads, and 1420~1450 /sec writes. This with Blackmagic Disk Speed Test.
 

tsialex

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On my Mac Pro with a Sintec Adaptor and an Apple/Samsung SSUBX 512GB I get 1505~1520 /sec reads, and 1420~1450 /sec writes. This with Blackmagic Disk Speed Test.
Interesting, 3~5% better numbers than mine. If was a greater diff, I'd bet that is caused by my ****** Chinese adaptor, but isn't.
 

crjackson2134

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Interesting, 3~5% better numbers than mine. If was a greater diff, I'd bet that is caused by my ****** Chinese adaptor, but isn't.

Honestly, I'd guess I just got a piece that's on the better side of mfg. tolerances.

These adaptors are just passthrough devices. Unless you have something that's defective, I doubt it could effect speed.
 

rodedwards

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I think i should try and stay stay satisfied with what i have (my Samsung Evo 840) ... although i can resist anything except temptation :D
 
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