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I just ordered the base config and a 120 GB SSD. Both should arrive within three days, we'll see how easy / hard it is to change the HDD to an SSD.

Why would you buy that over the 2012 quad i7? Just flushing money down the toilet by taking this route.
 
I don't understand why the hate for the soldered on memory. The processor is a laptop CPU and the max ram for the CPUs memory controller is 16 Gb. If you feel that if you are going to need 16 Gb then max out when you buy it. Plus your not getting cheap memory its lpddr3 which is a higher bandwidth then ddr3.
 
I don't understand why the hate for the soldered on memory. The processor is a laptop CPU and the max ram for the CPUs memory controller is 16 Gb. If you feel that if you are going to need 16 Gb then max out when you buy it. Plus your not getting cheap memory its lpddr3 which is a higher bandwidth then ddr3.

Really? You don't understand?
 
One ting about adding SSD Blade or SATA SSD is if it is not an Apple brand parts then trim can not be enabled without disabling security features. See Trim Enabler for details.

It really does not look very hard to get apart at all so it would be repairable but you will void the warranty opening it which is the real bite from Apple.

It will be interesting to see them do the one with the blade installed.

But anyways shame on Apple.
 
One ting about adding SSD Blade or SATA SSD is if it is not an Apple brand parts then trim can not be enabled without disabling security features. See Trim Enabler for details.

It really does not look very hard to get apart at all so it would be repairable but you will void the warranty opening it which is the real bite from Apple.

It will be interesting to see them do the one with the blade installed.

But anyways shame on Apple.

Where does it say the warranty is voided?
 
One ting about adding SSD Blade or SATA SSD is if it is not an Apple brand parts then trim can not be enabled without disabling security features. See Trim Enabler for details.

Yes, this is a new "feature" (ha) of Yosemite. I was basically forced to turn off TRIM. Who knows what long-term effect this will have on my self-installed 256GB Samsung Pro SSD.
 
Where does it say the warranty is voided?

Well if you look at it with the perspective of tamperproof screws that would indicate to me that Apple will frown on you when you try to claim a warranty repair.

The 2012 specifically read user upgradeable. I see nothing on the 2014 to that effect.

I also can see why they did not offer quad core with Iris Pro after seeing where the processor and IGPU was located. It probably would have melted the solder on the board. There was nothing there to sink the heat out.
 
Yeah, I'm interested in finding out if the higher-end minis still have soldered memory. Wouldn't surprise me, but I wasn't expecting the low end SKU to be at all given its similarity to the iMac update.
 
Well if you look at it with the perspective of tamperproof screws that would indicate to me that Apple will frown on you when you try to claim a warranty repair.

Frown, yes. But to actually tell somebody replacing their own hard drive in their own computer voids the warranty? That's heavy-handed, even for Apple. They could have welded it or glued it shut.
 
Yes, this is a new "feature" (ha) of Yosemite. I was basically forced to turn off TRIM. Who knows what long-term effect this will have on my self-installed 256GB Samsung Pro SSD.

I don't use trim on my Samy either but it only holds apps and boot. I read and write to a 2TB spinner.

If you read and write on a SSD a lot with out trim it will slow it down after a while because there is no garbage collection going on.

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Frown, yes. But to actually tell somebody replacing their own hard drive in their own computer voids the warranty? That's heavy-handed, even for Apple. They could have welded it or glued it shut.

You can always call them up and ask. That would be the safest.
 
Just note that LPDDR3 RAM is only package as a point to point and not available as a DIMM. LPDDR3 has some advantages of having a bigger bandwidth and consuming less power while being used or in a standby mode and also for PoP configuration.
 
Well if you look at it with the perspective of tamperproof screws that would indicate to me that Apple will frown on you when you try to claim a warranty repair.

Well lucky for us we live a society with consumer protection laws. I know there's a lot of nutjobs around here who think laws that make Apple more accountable to their customers should be scrapped but fortunately they're too busy worshipping Timmy to vote.
 
LOL! Yes, I am that :)

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I'll be watching. Did you get the PCIe SSD or the SATA SSD to install?

I ordered a SATA SSD, this was before iFixit had done their review.

I've never opened a Mac before, and iFixit's comments about the special unique hyper screwdriver makes me kind of nervous. Do I really need that screwdriver?

And how hard is 6 on their 1-10 scale? I've changed RAM in an Asrock HTPC once, without any problem...

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Why would you buy that over the 2012 quad i7? Just flushing money down the toilet by taking this route.

I'll use it as a HTPC only. I have performance in other machines.
 
Yeah, I'm interested in finding out if the higher-end minis still have soldered memory. Wouldn't surprise me, but I wasn't expecting the low end SKU to be at all given its similarity to the iMac update.

You didn't read the entire thread (or one of the 100 others on the RAM issue) then. THEY ARE ALL SOLDERED! I have access to Apple service manuals and part lists, there are logic board part numbers for the high-end CPUs with different RAM size configs. NO MORE WONDERING

What sense does it make for Apple to design 2 different logic boards? The CPU pinouts are the same, the only difference would be the chip itself and how much memory is installed. It makes no sense to design the low-end with soldered-on RAM and then have to do a complete second design for the high-end with SODIMM slots.
 
You didn't read the entire thread (or one of the 100 others on the RAM issue) then. THEY ARE ALL SOLDERED! I have access to Apple service manuals and part lists, there are logic board part numbers for the high-end CPUs with different RAM size configs. NO MORE WONDERING

What sense does it make for Apple to design 2 different logic boards? The CPU pinouts are the same, the only difference would be the chip itself and how much memory is installed. It makes no sense to design the low-end with soldered-on RAM and then have to do a complete second design for the high-end with SODIMM slots.

Does the service manual show how the pcie ssd is connected or indeed the part number of the suspected needed flex cable to join it to the board ?

Regards
 
You didn't read the entire thread (or one of the 100 others on the RAM issue) then. THEY ARE ALL SOLDERED! I have access to Apple service manuals and part lists, there are logic board part numbers for the high-end CPUs with different RAM size configs. NO MORE WONDERING

What sense does it make for Apple to design 2 different logic boards? The CPU pinouts are the same, the only difference would be the chip itself and how much memory is installed. It makes no sense to design the low-end with soldered-on RAM and then have to do a complete second design for the high-end with SODIMM slots.

As the saying goes, pictures or it never happened
 
In the first tear down posted a guy in the comments said there needs to be laws against companies doing terrible things like soldering on ram. Lol to that

Anyways I can feel your guys frustration, I'm also happy that my 2012 Mini is still awesome and I don't feel the need to go run out and buy the new one.

As far as soldering on ram and making drive difficult I am lead to believe that there's people out there that are the opposite of us. And I'm sure they've all come into the Apple store outraged that they broke their mini trying to replace the hard drive or adding more ram (however that happens, but I'm sure it does). I'm assuming that we are in the minority, probably 5% or even less, and most users will never open their computer. So they're eliminating the users who manage to screw up their computer adding ram, and cutting down costs by soldering it on, while only temporary upsetting a small group of customers.

So while we're all upset, just remember, it probably all makes sense and this isn't just Apple not understanding it's customer base.
 
8GB of Ram costs them what, ten bucks? So it is really not the soldering that is the issue, the issue is reasonable price. And hoping the Ram does not go bad, because when soldered Ram goes bad, that sucks hard.
 
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8GB of Ram costs them what, ten bucks? So it is really not the soldering that is the issue, the issue is reasonable price. And hoping the Ram does not go bad, becasue when soldered Ram goes bad, that sucks hard.


Likely a few tunes more than $10. Reasonable assumption is that the computer is swapped out while under warranty if the RAM takes a dump. Might then be reasonable to assume that Applecare could be a worthwhile add-on and that data backups are an absolute must. Time will tell and we'll likely here some broken hearts about that later.
 
Does the service manual show how the pcie ssd is connected or indeed the part number of the suspected needed flex cable to join it to the board ?

Regards

Funny you ask, the only mention of the flex cable is included as part of the carrier assembly but no mention of the cable stand-alone. It DOES list the HDD cable though.

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As the saying goes, pictures or it never happened

I'm not putting my qualifications with Apple at risk for posting screen caps from their internal service page.
 
8GB of Ram costs them what, ten bucks? So it is really not the soldering that is the issue, the issue is reasonable price. And hoping the Ram does not go bad, because when soldered Ram goes bad, that sucks hard.

So they should let you upgrade to 16gb of ram for $20?
 
Likely a few tunes more than $10. Reasonable assumption is that the computer is swapped out while under warranty if the RAM takes a dump. Might then be reasonable to assume that Applecare could be a worthwhile add-on and that data backups are an absolute must. Time will tell and we'll likely here some broken hearts about that later.

An owner would be insane not to buy Apple Care. $99.00 for three years? That's a no-brainer.
 
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