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2016 nMP
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I think I’d buy if that happened. (Not just that I can’t see that being the only update, they’d also obviously move to HDMI x.x, TB3 etc etc).
Which reminds me, the TB2 ports aren't on the GPUs, so to get TB3 on 6,1 using 7,1 GPUs you'd have to update all 3 PCBs, includingn one with TB ports.
Stick a fork in the 6,1.
It's done.
Moving the Mac Pro to an ARM architecture would leave me out in the cold.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...-2016-whats-in-store-for-apples-macs-and-os-x
Most of the other points made are software niceties and not essentials.
I would also prefer a continued Mac Pro evolution, even at the higher initial prices, and then wait for prices to subside or 3rd parties appearing to lower the costs.
I still believe that Apple will continue to make inroads on the enterprise world of business as an alternative to a Windows world.
It would also be profitable for Apple to complement the one Billion Apple devices already out there with higher end MACs.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...-2016-whats-in-store-for-apples-macs-and-os-x
Most of the other points made are software niceties and not essentials.
I would also prefer a continued Mac Pro evolution, even at the higher initial prices, and then wait for prices to subside or 3rd parties appearing to lower the costs.
I still believe that Apple will continue to make inroads on the enterprise world of business as an alternative to a Windows world.
It would also be profitable for Apple to complement the one Billion Apple devices already out there with higher end MACs.
Not really, remember on the nMP 6,1 Apple uses only video output from GPU1 to drive all 6 DP1.2 output on its TB2 ports, a TB3 nMP having 6 ports would require 12 DP 1.2 Signals to feed the 3 TB3 controllers (only acccept DP1.2 as older TB2 but twice signals), this case the existing 6 D.P. 1.2 paths on each GPU are enough using BOTH GPU Outputs.
So Apple actually only needs to redesign the Main Motherboard connector to input video from both GPUs, this also makes sense since allows Apple's HW R&D teams to test the nMP 7,1 on the older DX00 GPUs before arrive the the next Gen of AMD GPUs.
At some point Macs will migrate to another CPU platform (AMD Zen still x86-amd64 platform), but not now, ARM likely but still not ready.
Apple surely will deploy soon its own ARM based Servers Farms, but not necessarily based on OSX, unless they plan to get into corporate servers market, where actually Linux/Apache have a long advantage on Apple.
Maybe Apple would launch its own ARM Appliance Server ( aka NAS) a sort of Airport Timecapsule on Steroids running full OS/X server.
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Maybe a typo and they meant 29/5 ... (2morrow)
Not really it seems, availability only early July.
I wouldn't count on much info in the next couple of days. It seems they´re just trying to keep the flame alive.
Another month waiting to see how it fares...
I guess gamers need not wait any longer, unless not hardcore and want something with a lower cost that still performs (we hope).
I wouldn't count on much info in the next couple of days. It seems they´re just trying to keep the flame alive.
Another month waiting to see how it fares...
I guess gamers need not wait any longer, unless not hardcore and want something with a lower cost that still performs (we hope).
I am sorry, this is complete and utter gibberish.
The 6,1 GPUs were developed on cMP, we know that because 7970s got called "D700" until Apple changed subsystem vendor id to differentiate.
Apple isn't full of idiots. I guarantee that they have 6,1 and 7,1 mule systems that have PCIE slots. No way they could ask all GPU options to be created on their silly form factor for tests. Even asking that they be presented on MXM would be silly.
And nobody with any sense of how electronics works still believes that Apple, out of the kindness of their heart, is going to keep 7,1 GPUs backward compatible with 6,1.
Please, don't feed the delusions by trying to make it sound possible. It ain't gonna happen. New CPUs will have different pin outs, going to different PCIE lanes. New GPUs (hopefully) will have different spec DP and HDMI outputs. NVME vs. PCIE SSD routed through GPU circuits. TB2 vs TB3 ports different, different signals, different wiring. BIOS not on cards, in main boot efi, to make cards work in 6,1 would require new EEPROM setup on cards that works with older 6,1 BIOS/boot efi. Replacing cards in nMP requires ability to deal with delicate connectors and thermal paste. Dare I even mention the 2 different styles of Torx bits used to secure the GPUs?
The list is very long and still we have "well, just maybe, you never know" nonsense like this. Aside from all of the obvious reality that 3 more years of tech advances spell out, how about we just use good old common sense.
What direction has Apple taken with everything they build? (pick one)
1. Easier to open, readily available upgrade parts through 3rd party retailers, encouragement to keep older machines useful. OS drivers available to keep all brands & models working optimally.
2. Artificial obsoleteness through driver restrictions. Soldered down CPUs, GPUs, and RAM chips. Glued, taped, and riveted housings to keep the "mucker abouts" out. Reintroduction of 5,400 rpm spinners that risk breaking things to get back out. Lack of available parts through anywhere but official repair channels at absurd prices that makes scrapping a 3 year old machine cheaper than fixing it.
Everyone put on your thinking caps.
I'm putting a GTX1080 in my cMP today. 6,1 is still mired in 2011 tech due to silly design choices. Do you really want to compare upgrade paths?
And he is gonna sell them anyway so no harmSend me the rom from it
Huh? No one was talking about this. I thought it was just assumed that the 6,1 would never get TB3 because the connectors on the back of the machine are wrong. Who care about the boards. There aren't any USB-C jacks on the 6,1.
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And you already know you won't get full performance out of it, even with ROM and drivers. The bandwidth on the 5,1 architecture is drying up. Eventually, like the 3,1, it won't matter what card you put in it, performance will be capped.
The board and CPU architecture itself are going to be the limiting factor. Clock is already ticking unless you can find a way to upgrade a 5,1 to Skylake. With the limited SATA bus on a 5,1, to feed anything at any decent speed you're already looking at jacking SSDs directly into the PCIe bus to avoid the ancient I/O backplane on a 5,1.
The 5,1 Mac Pro! All the greatest technology from 2009!
I'm sorry, you completely missed the point. You might try reading slower.
I was pointing out to Mr. Mago that 7,1 GPUs aren't going to work in a 6,1.
The presence of TB2 vs TB3 is one of MANY reasons.
It's just that simple. Please try to keep up.
What? The GPUs and the Thunderbolt controller aren't at all connected. Why would Thunderbolt have anything to do with GPU upgrades? All the has to happen is the video signal needs to be sent out to the same controller.
I did. It still makes no sense, as other posters are telling you too.
I'm starting to get concerned the guy selling GPUs has no idea how this works. Why would new GPUs require Thunderbolt 3?
I like how he doesn't seem to think a DP 1.3 GPU can do a DP 1.2 signal. Got a DP 1.2 monitor? Throw it away if you get a new card!
Hilarious.
OK, let's make this as simple as possible.
What is coming out of the 7970s in a 6,1?
Older versions of HDMI and DP than any new card would use, right?
Why would rest of circuitry on a 6,1 know how to deal with additional bandwidth, signals that didn't exist when firmware and other components were designed and made?
(Answer: They wouldn't !) Just like the USB and TB being different specs, so would video out of cards.
Are you really hypothesizing that 7,1 GPUs are going to be bolt in replacements for 6,1? All I am saying is that they won't. There is literally a 0% chance of it. Reading others things in is up to you.
I just answered this. Newer cards can still provide the older signal. Do you throw away your DP1.2 monitor when you get a DP1.3 card? Does a newer card only output DP1.3?
I mean, c'mon...
So you honestly believe 7,1 GPUs will be pin compatible and just bolt into a 6,1?
That is what is being discussed, not whether older displays work on newer cards.
Keep running with those goalposts.
That is what is being discussed, not whether older displays work on newer cards.
Keep running with those goalposts.
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