2016 nMP

[goMac]

But a year and a half of process improvements can make a big difference....

I'm pretty sure Xeon Haswell will see no process changes. If it was made on a different process, it wouldn't be under the Haswell banner.

 

[zephonic]

Off-topic, but this guy nails it

http://www.speirs.org/blog/2015/11/30/can-the-macbook-pro-replace-your-ipad

 

[mathpunk]

For 1.7 grand, I can get an HP Workstation with 2 X 8C XEON E5-2670 (2 x 8 cores) with 32 GB of RAM. And yet, people still buy the current nMP from the Apple Store, what a blessing...

I just went to the HP website...Z640 STARTS at $1.7K. The configuration with a single W2100 graphics card, 2x E5-2670s, 32GB of memory with a single 500gb hard drive is actually $9322.

 

[Melodist]

This can't be true or at least can't be a modern HP workstation. The Intel Xeon 2670v3 is a 12 core processor that retails for $1600 each. If you want to bash apple on price at least quote real prices.

For all the blind and deceived people:

My description is spot on and no, it is not the newest HP Workstation, and YET offers 4 times the cores of the current base model on the Apple Store for half the price.

I mean this is nothing new, but apparently a lot of people are estranged from reality. It is no use to complain about the price and current model unless you have another branded model to show apparently.

That neither Apple nor their fans are ashamed or concerned about the currently offered model in the store is beyond me.

 

[JesperA]

That neither Apple nor their fans are ashamed or concerned about the currently offered model in the store is beyond me.

What a weird statement, this whole thread, 47 pages, is basically "Apple fans" concerned about the current offered model and the future of the Mac Pro

 

[p.l]

Hardly noticeable?

What it doesn't state is if its CUDA vs OpenCL or just OpenCL

 

[Stacc]

For all the blind and deceived people:

My description is spot on and no, it is not the newest HP Workstation, and YET offers 4 times the cores of the current base model on the Apple Store for half the price.

I mean this is nothing new, but apparently a lot of people are estranged from reality. It is no use to complain about the price and current model unless you have another branded model to show apparently.

That neither Apple nor their fans are ashamed or concerned about the currently offered model in the store is beyond me.

Oh, I see. You are comparing the Mac Pro to a refurbished machine with sandy bridge processors from 2012...

 

[Melodist]

Oh, I see. You are comparing the Mac Pro to a refurbished machine with sandy bridge processors from 2012...

The CPU inside the Mac Pro is from 2013, guess what, it is 2016.

Hardly noticeable?

What it doesn't state is if its CUDA vs OpenCL or just OpenCL

Yeah, they are apparently en par.

 

[zephonic]

@Melodist:

Dude, just acknowledge you made a mistake...

 

[wallysb01]

This can't be true or at least can't be a modern HP workstation. The Intel Xeon 2670v3 is a 12 core processor that retails for $1600 each. If you want to bash apple on price at least quote real prices.

Still, you can get a 2x 2630v3 (8core, HASWELL) HP z640 for about $4600 if you kind strip it down. Then the 1x 8core nMP costs about $5600. So you could have 2x the cores and $1000 to configure your machine as you need it OR the 8core nMP...
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Off-topic, but this guy nailts it

http://www.speirs.org/blog/2015/11/30/can-the-macbook-pro-replace-your-ipad

He was being facetious right?

 

[zephonic]

You tell me!

 

[wallysb01]

You tell me!

Weeeellllll..... its hard to tell, but I certainly hope he was. I didn't realize accessing Netflix, Airbnb and YouTube quickly and easily through stand alone apps was SOOOOO necessary to get WORK done (the guy does mention google docs, but yeah... have you tried to really work on google docs through iOS, not much fun...). Anyway, its such a huge "hoop to jump through" to click a bookmark that takes you a page that has a saved login... yep....

 

[AidenShaw]

This can't be true or at least can't be a modern HP workstation. The Intel Xeon 2670v3 is a 12 core processor that retails for $1600 each. If you want to bash apple on price at least quote real prices.

If the price is accurate, it's probably using the same old v2 processors that Apple is using in the MP6,1. Probably a typo on the processor number - E5-2670 v2 is 10 cores.

 

[Melodist]

Hardly noticeable?

What it doesn't state is if its CUDA vs OpenCL or just OpenCL

Still, you can get a 2x 2630v3 (8core, HASWELL) HP z640 for about $4600 if you kind strip it down. Then the 1x 8core nMP costs about $5600. So you could have 2x the cores and $1000 to configure your machine as you need it OR the 8core nMP...
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He was being facetious right?

Why do you bring a processor into the comparison that is not being used in the current nMP? Completely redundant. And yeah, it was a typo, sorry, but at least, I'm not referring to the newest Xeon.

 

[zephonic]

Weeeellllll..... its hard to tell, but I certainly hope he was.

I'm pretty sure he was kidding, see the Editor's note at the end:

[Editor's note: The original title for this piece was "If journalists reviewed Macs like iPads".]


But I do think he raises a couple of interesting thoughts. People (like me) who were born in the 70's and 80's established workflows that made sense around the equipment available to them.

I only have to look at my son to know that his workflow will be very different from ours. To him, point and click is tedious, compared to multi-touch. And frankly, if all other things were equal, I think I'd rather interact with my applications via touch, too. Or voice.

Apple is keeping the Mac alive for us, but it is clear that multi-touch is the future. They care enough to make their own CPU's for the iOS devices, but haven't bothered to do so for the Mac. Like it or not, but there it is.

If the price is accurate, it's probably using the same old v2 processors that Apple is using in the MP6,1. Probably a typo on the processor number - E5-2670 v2 is 10 cores.

Or there is no typo, and it simply uses the Sandybridge E5-2670 8-core...

 

[Melodist]

Apple's Mac Pro is the slowest selling Mac and way beyond the sales it used to have around 8 years ago unless Apple pulls up some serious necromancy and picks up the corpse it left behind in 2013.

 

[Ursadorable]

Apple is a Business, the engagement with AMD was on with the nMP redesign, GPU battle is never over, this year AMD will lead few mothns then nVidia, next year AMD agan, and so on..

When has AMD ever lead in the GPU market.. I don't recall this magical time. AMD/ATI has always been high heat, subpar performance since the days when the 3DFX Voodoo series was out.

 

[Derpage]

When has AMD ever lead in the GPU market.. I don't recall this magical time. AMD/ATI has always been high heat, subpar performance since the days when the 3DFX Voodoo series was out.

Welcome to the macrumors Mac Pro forum! Where AMD's struggle to keep the middle of the market is hyped up as ground breaking and revolutionary.

 

[Mago]

When has AMD ever lead in the GPU market.. I don't recall this magical time. AMD/ATI has always been high heat, subpar performance since the days when the 3DFX Voodoo series was out.

Funny o/

 

[AidenShaw]

When has AMD ever lead in the GPU market.. I don't recall this magical time. AMD/ATI has always been high heat, subpar performance since the days when the 3DFX Voodoo series was out.

I get acronym fatigue here....

• I've always associated AMD with mostly sub-par and often compatible processors, with occasional short-lived jumps above the name-brand processors.
• And I've associated ATI with mostly sub-par (and over-hyped) graphics cards, along with crappy drivers and poor customer support. ("What do you mean, you're not going to do a Windows 2000 driver for your top end card from 16 months ago.")

And what little respect that I had for ATI was lost when they let Apple put a couple of Radeon GPUs into the MP6,1 and falsely brand them as FirePros. BootCamp exposed that fraud right away - when the ATI drivers on Windows correctly identified the GPUs as Radeons.
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I'm pretty sure Xeon Haswell will see no process changes. If it was made on a different process, it wouldn't be under the Haswell banner.

Boy - look past the trees and see the forest.

"Process improvement" does not equate to "new process".

Look up "steppings" for starters.

 

[goMac]

What it doesn't state is if its CUDA vs OpenCL or just OpenCL

Don't tell the Nvidia fanboys. They'd rather pay out the nose for snake oil...
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"Process improvement" does not equate to "new process".

Look up "steppings" for starters.

Steppings aren't generally going to make any noticeable reduction in TDP. I don't know of a way to reduce TDP noticeably without either a different architecture or a process change. Suggesting a stepping will reduce TDP in any noticeable way is like saying changing the cup holders in your car will make it go faster.

 

[Melodist]

I get acronym fatigue here....

• I've always associated AMD with mostly sub-par and often compatible processors, with occasional short-lived jumps above the name-brand processors.
• And I've associated ATI with mostly sub-par (and over-hyped) graphics cards, along with crappy drivers and poor customer support. ("What do you mean, you're not going to do a Windows 2000 driver for your top end card from 16 months ago.")

And what little respect that I had for ATI was lost when they let Apple put a couple of Radeon GPUs into the MP6,1 and falsely brand them as FirePros. BootCamp exposed that fraud right away - when the ATI drivers on Windows correctly identified the GPUs as Radeons.
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Boy - look past the trees and see the forest.

"Process improvement" does not equate to "new process".

Look up "steppings" for starters.

Right? The GPUs are horrible. I mean right off the bat, even for a late 2013 / early 2014 release, this machine has provided me with the most underwhelming transition I've ever experienced with a Mac Pro. I sold it right away on eBay and got back to my Mac Pro 2009 dual quad core machine and felt I gained performance going back to a 4-years-old machine.

 

[lowendlinux]

Hardly noticeable?

What it doesn't state is if its CUDA vs OpenCL or just OpenCL

In the beginning he said it was CUDA v OpenCL

 

[Roykor]

• Nvidia was sacked for what ever reason; Apple didn't like Cuda, Nvidia showed Apple middle finger in court room, Nvidia's GPGPU didn't match with Apple's requirements or AMD and Apple are cooking together a product that we're going to see in near future and in their contract agreement Apple gets AMD parts with a good price.. on some other forums there were rumors that bridges were burnt between Apple and Nvidia... but I don't believe that post-Steve Apple is run by emotions. There were cold business facts not to use Nvidia. And we can only guess what.

With there cold business they gave a wide userbase who grew up with Apple in the creative sector the middle finger too. Here, AMD. Eat it or go away.

There are funny comments on this on this forum that its not Apple's fault that software developers like Adobe and a wide range of other creative content making tools are CUDA. With deleting any choice to a good Nvidia card, they kicked me in my nuts.. and have to switch to a PC. (still working on that)

 

[linuxcooldude]

And what little respect that I had for ATI was lost when they let Apple put a couple of Radeon GPUs into the MP6,1 and falsely brand them as FirePros. BootCamp exposed that fraud right away - when the ATI drivers on Windows correctly identified the GPUs as Radeons.

Because Firepros are based on their Radeon line, even on the PC side.

There are funny comments on this on this forum that its not Apple's fault that software developers like Adobe and a wide range of other creative content making tools are CUDA. With deleting any choice to a good Nvidia card, they kicked me in my nuts.. and have to switch to a PC. (still working on that)

Switching to a PC won't get rid of the vendor lockin with Nvidia with some third party apps. You will still continued to get kicked in the nuts by Nvidia.