2016 nMP

[ManuelGomes]

If you believe the rumors:
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/40416-nvidia-geforce-pascal-gpus-launching-at-computex-2016

Funny thing is everyone keeps talking of Pascal GPUs coming soon, and keep repeating the big boy's features, but there is no word on what will actually be coming to the desktop parts. I guess a lot of people will be disappointed when those parts arrive.

I do believe both camps will have their desktop GPUs out by June/July, they have to now, with all these rumors going on.

IBM is on the high road though:
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/40407-ibm-cto-shows-off-gpu-accelerated-cognitive-computing

 

[Mago]

Just to be clear and precise, latest nVidia announcement are about that pascal GP100, Not about all its derivations, also as GP100 goes deep in production lots of yields with less functional SM units will end at lower end Pascal or Quadro Products. Also specialized derivatives as GeForce has yet to be announced.

 

[ManuelGomes]

Apple, what are you waiting for:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dell-up2715k-27-inch-5k-monitor,4500.html
Nice 10b panel. DP1.2 only for now, I imagine Dell will come out with a newer DP1.3 soon enough.
Dell and the others manufacturers could learn with Apple in blending the ports with the frame, I find it so ugly to always see any monitor with that awful grey metal port piece.
[doublepost=1460308437][/doublepost]Mago, that was exactly my point. People keep posting the features NVidia thought would throw at us to makes everyone awe but we'll probably see little of those in the regular cards. All you read about is HBM2, NVLink, +3K cores, whatever. But the cards we'll get as mainstream will hardly be like that

 

[Mago]

Apple, what are you waiting for:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dell-up2715k-27-inch-5k-monitor,4500.html
Nice 10b panel. DP1.2 only for now, I imagine Dell will come out with a newer DP1.3 soon enough.
Dell and the others manufacturers could learn with Apple in blending the ports with the frame, I find it so ugly to always see any monitor with that awful grey metal port piece.
[doublepost=1460308437][/doublepost]Mago, that was exactly my point. People keep posting the features NVidia thought would throw at us to makes everyone awe but we'll probably see little of those in the regular cards. All you read about is HBM2, NVLink, +3K cores, whatever. But the cards we'll get as mainstream will hardly be like that

The problem is DP1.3 will arrive (if) on TB4 or an dedicated connector, TB3 lies on dual DP1.2 good for dual 4k@60fps each on SST or a single 5k@60fps on MST, the problem with dp1. 3 on usb-c alt mode is that as yet defined usb-c cables only can deliver dp1. 3 at 3-4 feet long cables, which is less than practical.

Apple in case decide to launch a 5K retina display sure will opt for HDMI 2 (upto 8k@30fps) or usb-c/Thunderbolt3 on DP 1. 2 MST, or such mythical Thunderbolt Display with gpu ok board linked via Thunderbolt 3 40Gbps signal.

 

[fastlanephil]

All audio users(especially Logic users)are not pretty excited about all these GPU speculations. For us it comes down to how much is Apple going to rip us off if we only need enough GPU for two or three standard displays. So for me it all about how long will my cMP hold up and be able do the job. There are a few tricks available, such as master/slave(s)using Vienna Ensemble Pro 5 which is less than ideal for those that don't use sample templates but doable. It's probably better than wading into the hackintosh minefield or going Windows. Apple seems to have lost it's way and is putting profit first while maintaining a facade of consern for all things PC.

At least Microsoft was honest about it's true nature back in it's hay day. Apple events are becoming a little nauseating besides boring, fast forward viewing for me. I like using Logic though.

 

[ManuelGomes]

Yeah, TBD will most likely be TB3 (DP1.2 that is). I meant that 5K panels are finally becoming common and all is in place for Apple to update the TBD. TBD come with attached cables so an active cable could be used and can be longer. I don't see Apple doing an HDMI display though.

 

[AidenShaw]

Yeah, TBD will most likely be TB3 (DP1.2 that is). I meant that 5K panels are finally becoming common and all is in place for Apple to update the TBD. TBD come with attached cables so an active cable could be used and can be longer. I don't see Apple doing an HDMI display though.

[doublepost=1460316206][/doublepost]ACD !!

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The "To Be Determined" will most likely be 3 TeraByte (Double Precision 1.2 that is).... all is in place for Apple to update the Tibetan Book of the Dead. The Taco Bell Dog will come with attached cables (a leash?)

Seriously, please type a few more characters so that we don't need our SDR to read.

 

[pat500000]

[doublepost=1460316206][/doublepost]ACD !!

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The "To Be Determined" will most likely be 3 TeraByte (Double Precision 1.2 that is).... all is in place for Apple to update the Tibetan Book of the Dead. The Taco Bell Dog will come with attached cables (a leash?)

Seriously, please type a few more characters so that we don't need our SDR to read. View attachment 626100

Tbd =too bad dude lol

 

[mathpunk]

All audio users(especially Logic users)are not pretty excited about all these GPU speculations. For us it comes down to how much is Apple going to rip us off if we only need enough GPU for two or three standard displays. So for me it all about how long will my cMP hold up and be able do the job.

I agree that not all "pro" workstation users need or want high-end graphics cards, I certainly don't need one and don't want to pay for them, either. The current nMP has the D300 option for us, and I think that Apple understands this market, which is why they provided this option. I would be stunned if Apple did not continue to offer a more modest GPU option in the new nMP, if and when it ever arrives.

 

[Mago]

I agree that not all "pro" workstation users need or want high-end graphics cards, I certainly don't need one and don't want to pay for them, either. The current nMP has the D300 option for us, and I think that Apple understands this market, which is why they provided this option. I would be stunned if Apple did not continue to offer a more modest GPU option in the new nMP, if and when it ever arrives.

If you understand that an workstation gpu actually is an cpu-coprocessor which accelerates some tasks thousand times as if it where did by a cpu alone, that's why workstation's gpu usually are named compute accelerators, and some (as the new nVidia Pascal GP100) neither have any video output, it's processor is used only for number crushing.

You are right on one thing, most audio apps didn't need an gpu (neither as accelerator) but this is not due what you are doing can't be done faster with an compute accelerator (aka gpgpu) but your software provider didn't updated it's code to support this kind of compute (and actually most sound post processing or composition apps are a shame on regarding code efficiency and modern instructions support (as vector processing, avx etc), of course they publish such monsters because most composer find a way to be productive on that and they don't care if you need to pay 3000$ on a workstation for an app which with efficient and modern code could run much faster on a humble 500$ Mac mini.

That's the cruel truth about audio apps.

 

[koyoot]

AMD will not be on Computex. They will show their GPUs on external event.


WWDC, anyone?

 

[Zarniwoop]

Some Polaris 11 details: https://compubench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=compu15d&os=Windows&api=cl&D=AMD+67FF:C8&testgroup=info

Rumors about 16 CU's were true. If there's no change in CU size, that could mean 1024 streams... this could be Polaris 11 Pro chip.

 

[koyoot]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfxFToEVIAAjkqT.jpg:large

So first SKUs may be lining up to launch in 16XXv4 series.

Also: Nvidia Pascal GP104 will come in 2 versions. GDDR5X and GDDR5. GDDR5 - normal X80 and X70. GDDR5X - X80 Ti.

Also that means that the GPUs will be cut down in comparison to full GP104.

 

[Synchro3]

As long as the GTX 1080 (non-TI) has 8 GB V-RAM and two 6 pin connectors, I'm pleased.

 

[koyoot]

As long as the GTX 1080 (non-TI) has 8 GB V-RAM and two 6 pin connectors, I'm pleased.

Rumors say that there are two 8 pin connectors. And so far about the rest of lineup - they were correct... But they are engineering samples. So maybe it will be one six pin and one 8 pin.

Also: TSMC has very limited capacity available for Nvidia. Thats why new GPUs will be very limited in quantity at the beginning. Nvidia is rushing with release because they are not able to compete with AMD on hardware capabilities. See my previous post on this matter in this thread. AMD not only has much better hardware this time around, but also much bigger quantity of it they will have.

 

[deconstruct60]

Some Polaris 11 details: https://compubench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=compu15d&os=Windows&api=cl&D=AMD+67FF:C8&testgroup=info

Rumors about 16 CU's were true. If there's no change in CU size, that could mean 1024 streams... this could be Polaris 11 Pro chip.

"Pro" version of what ?? ....... ( Yeah not a 'fair fight', but in terms of Mac Pro space .... it doesn't seem like something that would stall the product to wait for. )


Same entry versus R9 280 ( a good, not the best, desktop )

https://compubench.com/compare.jsp?...hwname1=AMD+67FF:C8&D2=AMD+Asus+Radeon+R9+280

versus R9 395X ( iMac 5K hardware )
https://compubench.com/compare.jsp?...PU&hwname1=AMD+67FF:C8&D2=AMD+Radeon+R9+M395X

 

[Stacc]

"Pro" version of what ?? ....... ( Yeah not a 'fair fight', but in terms of Mac Pro space .... it doesn't seem like something that would stall the product to wait for. )


Same entry versus R9 280 ( a good, not the best, desktop )

https://compubench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=compu15d&did1=28432110&os1=Windows&api1=cl&hwtype1=dGPU&hwname1=AMD+67FF:C8&D2=AMD+Asus+Radeon+R9+280

versus R9 395X ( iMac 5K hardware )
https://compubench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=compu15d&did1=28432110&os1=Windows&api1=cl&hwtype1=dGPU&hwname1=AMD+67FF:C8&D2=AMD+Radeon+R9+M395X

I believe he means pro as in the cut down version of the chip, i.e. Tahiti pro vs Tahiti XT.

 

[koyoot]

Also its worth mentioning that that GPU(Polaris 11 Pro) is the one that was demoed by AMD at the beginning of 2016 with Star Wars Battlefront.

 

[koyoot]

AMD will not be on Computex, and on E3. 2 biggest events at that time. So either they prepare their own event(Unlikely), or... they will appear on external event that someone prepared.

WWDC, anyone? .

 

[Stacc]

AMD will not be on Computex, and on E3. 2 biggest events at that time. So either they prepare their own event(Unlikely), or... they will appear on external event that someone prepared.

WWDC, anyone? .

AMD has had their own events for the launches of the 200 and 300 series.

 

[Zarniwoop]

WWDC, anyone? .

In WWDC, AMD will have their momentum, Lisa will be on the platform, and Polaris is the star of the next gen Macs.

And what I meant is, that mr. Cook himself will introduce ms. Lisa from AMD and welcome her to the platform.

 

[Stacc]

And what I meant is, that mr. Cook himself will introduce ms. Lisa from AMD and welcome her to the platform.

Eh, for this to happen Apple would probably have to announce something more substantial than just using AMD's GPUs. The only time a vendor has stood on Apple's stage was when Otellini wore the bunny suit to announce Macs switching to Intel. If its just using AMD's GPUs, all it would get is "featuring AMD's brand new Polaris GPU" and a brief mention of how many teraflops they achieve.

The only way I could see AMD/Lisa Su on stage is if either Apple has announced some sort of future partnership to exclusively use AMD's CPUs/GPUs (extremely unlikely) or Apple bought AMD (also extremely unlikely).

Remember, the percentage of macs sold with discrete GPUs is fairly small. It doesn't really warrant stage time with an event as packed as WWDC.

 

[Mago]

And what I meant is, that mr. Cook himself will introduce ms. Lisa from AMD and welcome her to the platform.

Polaris 11 could fit as d300 replacement, as Polaris 10 as d500 and maybe dual fury nano as D700. Sorry I'm kidding.

Both unlikely at least on the Mac Pro.

I consider a sure thing Polaris 11 on the next Macbook Pro, but the panorama isn't so clear for the Mac Pro.

 

[koyoot]

Eh, for this to happen Apple would probably have to announce something more substantial than just using AMD's GPUs. The only time a vendor has stood on Apple's stage was when Otellini wore the bunny suit to announce Macs switching to Intel. If its just using AMD's GPUs, all it would get is "featuring AMD's brand new Polaris GPU" and a brief mention of how many teraflops they achieve.

The only way I could see AMD/Lisa Su on stage is if either Apple has announced some sort of future partnership to exclusively use AMD's CPUs/GPUs (extremely unlikely) or Apple bought AMD (also extremely unlikely).

Remember, the percentage of macs sold with discrete GPUs is fairly small. It doesn't really warrant stage time with an event as packed as WWDC.

HAHA, and you've posted this exactly when I was watching the keynote from 2006 at Macworld . Fantastic synchronicity .

What comes to my mind is partnership with AMD as a GPU provider for Apple for their desktop and mobile computers, and... for external enclosures. What better way for AMD to create a stir in industry both with marketing, free advertisement and with great hardware? It would be learning few tricks from Nvidia.

And we have to remember that AppleTV may also need an update, but with Zen/Polaris APU.

 

[Stacc]

What comes to my mind is partnership with AMD as a GPU provider for Apple for their desktop and mobile computers, and... for external enclosures. What better way for AMD to create a stir in industry both with marketing, free advertisement and with great hardware? It would be learning few tricks from Nvidia.

I don't see Apple gaining much from this. They have been exclusively using AMD for a couple years now and haven't needed a formal announcement to do it. Why take away the option of switching back to Nvidia if AMD drops the ball?

And we have to remember that AppleTV may also need an update, but with Zen/Polaris APU.

What would a Zen/Polaris APU bring to the AppleTV that isn't served by Apple's own processors? Gaming console capabilities? That seems like something Apple doesn't care about.

Polaris 11 could fit as d300 replacement, as Polaris 10 as d500 and maybe dual fury nano as D700. Sorry I'm kidding.

Both unlikely at least on the Mac Pro.

I consider a sure thing Polaris 11 on the next Macbook Pro, but the panorama isn't so clear for the Mac Pro.

I bet we see Polaris 10/11 in the Mac Pro. The AMD Nano is gaming oriented, lacking in VRAM, expensive and is likely too hot to be a good fit in the Mac Pro. Polaris 11 probably makes it into the macbook pro unless Apple drops internal discrete GPUs entirely from its laptops.