And that's because their consumer mac lineup, no matter how technically outdated, is still tremendously popular. This is the issue for those of us who depend on Apple for heavy computing. There aren't enough of us to matter anymore.
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And that's because their consumer mac lineup, no matter how technically outdated, is still tremendously popular. This is the issue for those of us who depend on Apple for heavy computing. There aren't enough of us to matter anymore.
They need to tone down their launch events unless they really do something new. People used to want to watch apple launch events live. The iphone launch will go down in history. The last notable launch I remember was when the retina macbook pro was launched, people were impressed- best screen ever and removing the optical drive was real news to talk about. Now apple puts on these events and there is no there there- they didn't add a feature android didn't have and their laptops probably won't have a feature that the xps or some other pc laptop already has. Maybe they'll surprise me with a real improvement in june and I'll get another mac.
I don't have hopes on more than incremental updates on some (not all) Macs.
Most likely, they will introduce an all new range retina MacBooks (14/16") w/o dGPU and slightly bigger screens maybe on cinema ratio.
And maybe they will announce an updated retina MacBook Pro 15.6 just getting current on Skylake and maybe Amd Polaris 11 GPU, lucky we could see a Xeon version and maybe an nVidia Quadro M GPU on such Xeon Macbook Pro.
About the Mac Pro, if updated beyond Xeon E5v4 and Thunderbolt, remains unclear it's GPU, options few for its TDP, maybe a pair of Polaris 10 and Polaris 10XT replacing D300 and D500, or an switch to nVidia Pascal GP104 or alike.
Mac mini maybe the only Mac with an real update or no update, since Intel Skylake actually it's cheaper on quad core that dual core LP it's very likely the quad core mini to return, also it's possible to include the powerful Intel skull canyon i7.
Less likely we could see an Retina Thunderbolt Display, I would be surprised if they decide to launch that one with dGPU on board, will do an perfect match on retina MacBooks and Mac mini.
The last WDCC was real disappointment for me. I hope they bring out the mac line up this summer. Apple had been focus too much on idevices and neglecting mac computers.
Add a PCIe switch is the right answer.
There can always enough PCIe lanes - Apple cylinder users need to abandon the notion that it's essential that all PCIe devices can run at full bandwidth simultaneously.
Well said.
Unfortunately I can't press the like button more than once.Not that I haven't tried to do so...
But really, this complete silence / lack of updates on the Mac front in addition to the Performa syndrome, is a little bit worrisome.
I'm not sure I remember what the Performa syndrome was exatcly, but that buyers guide image is definitely a sign of something. One of the things its a sign of is Apple's shifting priorities. This was sort of foreshadowed when Apple decided to drop the "Computers" from its company name.
Apple started out making nerdy things for nerdy people. As they grew up the things they made became less and less nerdy and their user base followed suit. That trend has continued unabated until us remaining nerdy types have found ourselves in this unpleasant situation. Apple no longer cares about nerdy type customers. And really they haven't for some time.
So Apple still makes computers, but they are more and more like computing appliances, and not the toys that we had so much fun tinkering with in the past.
Its just a fact of life that for Apple computers are no longer a priority, and that buyers guide image depicts that in stark relief. Apple is going to make computers for some time to come, but the cMP was likely the last Apple computer that at least catered to nerdy types that we are likely to ever see again from Apple.
As a nerdy type, I'm as depressed about that as anyone here, but I have finally started to come to grips with it. If I want to do nerdy stuff Linux/*BSD seems like the last avenue remaining. I'll probably just kee a Mac mini around to stay in touch with OS X.
It's not "nerdy" to expect your system supplier to give you the latest tools to do your job.As a nerdy type, I'm as depressed about that as anyone here, but I have finally started to come to grips with it. If I want to do nerdy stuff Linux/*BSD seems like the last avenue remaining. I'll probably just kee a Mac mini around to stay in touch with OS X.
You can buy a 44-core system with a TebiByte of RAM and one to four GPUs of your choice from other vendors. Ten internal drive bays.
Or a 4-core system with 4 GiB, single low end GPU, and a disk or two. (Spinner or SSD)
Apple offers a 4 to 12 (outdated) core system with max support for 64 GiB, and a pair of outdated midrange consumer GPUs (whether you need a second one or not). One internal SSD drive with an unusual connector and an unusually low max system capacity. At a premium price.
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No, Cook needs to retire.
He's been away from the COO supply chain role too long to be able to go back. Apple's supply chain isn't what it was when The Lord God Jobs passed the chief of command to Cook. The people currently running it are fine - don't demote them.
Best of all would be to split Apple into "Apple iToys Inc" and "Apple Computers Inc".
Maybe...but then IMO after looking at the trend of shortage on pencils, iphones, and etc...they should have been demoted. I think Tim could fulfill supply/demands if he was to go back to COO ASAP. I don't think he lost that much of knowledge in hustling....
As for CEO...we need a person with a vision, common sense, and a whip.
Just over three years ago.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-to-shareholders.1539339/page-6#post-16811605
This is why they have removed the word Computer from the company name.
Just look at the front page, here in MacRumors, there are only iOS devices articles right now, iPhone, iPad, Facebook...
and one article about computer sales...
This was about this:
The Performas were generally underpowered... (1994-1997) some people still think that it was the worst Mac line ever.
Of course the current Macs cannot be compared with them, in general we 're a lot better now.
Anyway, we 'll see if this silence is for good reason or not.
I'm very afraid that the golden era of Mac computing has ended, probably the best period was the decade 2000-2010 (or 2012), of course there is always a chance (a little one?) that the future is going to surprise us...
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Best two lines of the whole thread, nothing resumes it better.
7 stages of Waiting for an update grief:
Shock/disbelief - I can't believe they haven't been updated by now!
Bargaining - If they don't update soon I'm buying a PC!
Guilt - <nada>
Anger - Oh so much frustration & anger. Sack Cook! ****** supply chain that makes millions of products in lots of countries!
Depression - They're not going to (decently) update my pet Mac line some are going away, there will never be anything to match a decent workstation...
Acceptance - They'll update when they damn well choose. And they've said exactly that on record.
Hope - Less than 80 days to WWDC... Surely a sign by then...
Shock/disbelief - I can't believe they haven't been updated by now!
Bargaining - If they don't update soon I'm buying a PC!
Guilt - <nada>
Anger - Oh so much frustration & anger. Sack Cook! ****** supply chain that makes millions of products in lots of countries!
Depression - They're not going to (decently) update my pet Mac line some are going away, there will never be anything to match a decent workstation...
Acceptance - They'll update when they damn well choose. And they've said exactly that on record.
Hope - Less than 80 days to WWDC... Surely a sign by then...
So why did I had to correct my error, not anyone from this thread?
Yes, It looks like that clock for clock 64 cores on Pascal are as fast as 128 CUDA cores from Maxwell. That also explains why they were able to fit only 30% more cores compared to GM200 on a node that was supposed to provide 50% denser chips. The cores are much larger. Also like I have pointed out, most of 300W TDP comes from extremely high clocks. That will mean that even GP102 which already appeared in drivers, will be able to fit in 125W of TDP. Of course - with low core clocks. Whole architecture looks more GCN like. Im wondering the TDP's of smaller GPUs, because they will still have power hungry GDDR5/X.
I've been away from this thread for a while.
Coming back with fresh eyes...it's mainly just 3-4 guys talking about AMD GPUs. Consistent corrections from 3-4 other guys due to wrong facts. And random drive-by fck apple i'm i'm going to dell/hp.
Carry on.
Coming back with fresh eyes...it's mainly just 3-4 guys talking about AMD GPUs. Consistent corrections from 3-4 other guys due to wrong facts. And random drive-by fck apple i'm i'm going to dell/hp.
Carry on.
It's really a shame that Apple has yet to update the MP lineup. I'm taking on a part-time gig and they wanted to provide me with a Mac so the only viable option was the 5K iMac. Now, that is a fine machine but some of my duties include designing for web which is a PitA on the 5K screen because everything is 2x as small as it would be on a regular 27in monitor. The other option is to set it to open in "low res" mode but it looks like garbage or design everything at 2x size and shrink it on export. Had they offered an updated 4 or 6c MP I would have just picked that up.
Apples use of dual GPU's is an important feature that focuses openCL/Metal and the apps that use them. So it makes sense a lot of people will focus their attention on the GPU.
The usefulness of Macs seems not to deter the general public based on whats inside of them. Except for the few spec hounds on the latest and greatest. At work we have a contract with Dell to recycle old computers and out of all of them only noticed one Mac in 5 years time. Its usefulness outlives any spec's demanded by the remote few.
That's a simplistic way of looking at things.
Yes, consumers are buying Macs. Many of them do little more than email, browse and light office work. They are not complaining.
It's the other few million users that use their Mac professionally who are having a very serious problem. If your income depends on having expandable and up to date equipment then it becomes an entirely different issue and there is nothing trivial about the current situation.
So, while the average Joe and Jane may be satisfied with their consumer grade iMac, professional users are in a very bad spot with a Mac Pro that is overpriced, underpowered and has little or no expansion capabilities.
I don't think Jobs ever intended Apple to make products for the lowest common denominator nor to let the Mac wither on the vine.
As I've mentioned before, this would just result in an "Apple iToys" with all the good engineers, and an Apple Computer with whatever leftover interns they could find that didn't make the cut.
So... probably worse than where we are now. You don't want to make them actually cut up their resources like that. The decisions that they would make would be ones you probably wouldn't like.
Since that post was referring to both consumer and Pro versions, My answer was aimed at both.
I think the using updated/overpriced/underpowered is the constant comparison with its PC counterparts. The nMP is not quite two years old yet since being shipped. Being on a longer refresh cycle on its workstation than on its consumer versions.
If having up to date equipment is a priority, its way to late by now as Apple is usually the last with new products forth coming. It should be no surprise at all by the Pro's who have been using them for many years already.
As I always mentioned, I compare Apples newer products to what Macs I already have and if its fast/new technology enough for what I need it to do. I don't compare it to Windows/Linux PC's because I don't plan to change platforms any time soon.
Yep. This is a problem in general for Apple—if you aren't making the sexy new thing, you're not as attractive to recruiting and retaining top engineering and design talent. Splitting it up into multiple companies would come with way more negatives than positives.
One of the big problems at Apple is its attachments to "LAUNCH EVENTS" instead to roll outs products ASAP they are ready for production, they delay that until the big day, for something which actually deserves an official announcement letter as 99% manufacturers does (look at HTC 10, just a web launch and few videos) most pc manufacturers launched on a similar way the "revolutionary Skylake" (as surely will stand Apple at WWDC), no need for big shows just reach the consumers before the competition.
Apple needs be hungry again. Too much cash don't help leaders to aim right.
Apple needs be hungry again. Too much cash don't help leaders to aim right.
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