Now Core i5-6585R, i5-6685R and i7-7685R are found in Intel ark.
And still, up to HDMI 1.4, DP 1.2 and DDR4 2133. So HDMI wont save with next gen displays... HDMI 1.4 gives 4096x2304@24Hz.
iMac update should happen very soon.
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And still, up to HDMI 1.4, DP 1.2 and DDR4 2133. So HDMI wont save with next gen displays... HDMI 1.4 gives 4096x2304@24Hz.
iMac update should happen very soon.
This chip its aimed at 4K AIO and high performance SteamMachine Nuc alike, hopefully Apple could use it at their iMac 21 unlikely the 5K 27, it's basically a i7-6700R with Iris pro 580 iGPU or a 65W Skull canyon, also performs slightly better than 6700K w/o overclock.
What I see is the industry star's alignments and conjunctions predicts an awesome WWDC.
It is very likely that alongside 21.5" riMac also 27" riMac with Radeon M380 will be replaced with this Skylake R-series Intel.
Sure apple will still bet on Intel iGpu fur 21" r-iMac and Polaris Ellsmere Pro and XT for 27K" 5K r-iMac.
Yes, for the 27" 5k better and best models there'll be dGPU. But the cheapest model will be iGPU only after next update.
Compute wise m380 and Iris Pro 580 are equal. Graphics.. depends. In general I suppose it'll be a bit slower. Anyway, Apple could reduce the starting price of 5k 27" with iGPU only model.
Compute wise m380 and Iris Pro 580 are equal. Graphics.. depends. In general I suppose it'll be a bit slower. Anyway, Apple could reduce the starting price of 5k 27" with iGPU only model.
Remember that just because a processor shows up in Ark or on Intel's price list doesn't mean its going to be available widely anytime soon. Quad core Iris Pro Skylake CPUs have been there for months and we have not seen any of those in the wild yet.
Personally I think the iMac will stick to its late fall release schedule. My bet is Apple releases new redesigned macbook pros with thunderbolt 3 over the summer. The big selling point will be a thunderbolt 3 5k external cinema display. The iMac already has a 5k display, so it won't be that important for it to jump on the thunderbolt 3 train immediately.
If Apple starts offering the Iris Pro versions of their consumer desktop CPUs in the 27" iMac then they will have to wait 9-12 months after the consumer desktop chips land without iris pro. What I mean here is that the Intel Core i7 6700(K) landed in august/september of last year and the iMac got it in October of last year. If Apple puts the Skylake Iris Pro chip in there they won't be able to release another one until Kaby Lake Iris Pro comes out which may be a long time and will likely be 9-12 months after the Core i7 7700(K) processor lands. People would complain about that just like they do today when Apple hasn't updated its laptops despite suitable chips not really being available.
My bet is that the iMac sticks to its late fall release and the 27" gets Kaby Lake processors and a Polaris GPU while the 21" gets Iris Pro quad core skylake processors.
I disagree with your launch schedule, remember when Apple launches the short lived too iPad 4 (iPad 3 on lightning USB connector), it surprised everybody since the iPad 3 barely had 6 months 9n sale, and the improvements where minimal, these time analyst blamed Apple's need to impose the lightning connector to improve inventory management, hurry an "lightning culture" build hype around the new connector.
All these boosted sales .
Now I see an similar situation, while an tb3 iMac barely means an big upgrade , neither alone MacBook neither the new Mac Pro would push th3 sabes as harder as if Apple builds an new connector hype further I'll bet Thunderbolt 3will be the central argument in WWDC hardware announcements, along with VR related hardware and the "tons of processing power " the new Macs have got this purpose.
I'll not strange on a full Mac line renovation (except just launched products), other Apple products may not see announcement until iPhone 7 event on Q4.
I am sure Apple is eager to get all its machines on thunderbolt 3, but I don't think we are going to see the entire mac lineup refreshed at the same time. They simply don't have the bandwidth to do that (or at least seem unwilling to do it for the mac). Thunderbolt 1 and 2 took time to spread across the lineup. TB3 will be prioritized by some combination of macs that will most benefit from thunderbolt 3, are in the most need of an update and sell the most.
Given those priorities I would say the macbook pro is at the top of the list since it is probably Apple's best selling mac, would have the most benefit from a TB3 display and hasn't been updated in a year. The Mac Pro is probably close to the top too because it hasn't been updated in so long but it doesn't sell as much. The iMac is only at the midpoint in its refresh cycle, wouldn't benefit as much from a thunderbolt display (it already has a 5k display) and probably sells reasonably well but not as well as the macbook pro.
Another point against an iMac refresh is that if the 27" is that if we assume it would use Polaris we may have to worry about supply constraints on Polaris. Apple probably has first dibs on small Polaris for the macbook pro but AMD probably doesn't want to give its entire supply to apple for big polaris. Apple used all of the fully unlocked Tongas for almost a year on the first 27" retina iMac but I don't think AMD will want to do that for Polaris. The Mac Pro is expensive enough that it could get full big polaris and there would still be plenty of supply left over for standard video card add-in boards.
Two simple arguments rebut yours: it's cheaper to update now the iMac than the sales slowdown due users waiting for thunderbolt 3, bandwidth? Is doesnt have to do with OSX, i think you mean production throughput, Foxconn and N factories can outcome this quickly, and about the WWDC not an big scenario for launches,I remember 2013 both mac pro and new MacBook where announced OS X Mavericks, iOS 7, iTunes Radio, and new MacBook Air, Mac Pro and AirPort hardware.
Announce an TB3 iMac don't take too much time before you introduced its main novelty with the Mac Pro and MacBooks.
Further I consider wise for Apple to prioritize an iMac update than a Mac Pro update , the latter don't account the iMac sales (or loses due "waiting for " effect .
My predictions about iMac update are based on a fact that Apple resellers have been offering discounts for all 21.5" models AND 27" with m380 during past weeks. Similar what happened a month before Macbook update. This time discounts didn't include 27" m390 and better..
So, my analysis is that all retina 21.5" get Iris Pro 580 treatment very soon.. alongside 27" basic model.
So, my analysis is that all retina 21.5" get Iris Pro 580 treatment very soon.. alongside 27" basic model.
First Apple shipped, perhaps. Others shipped earlier.
http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4933/asus-z87-deluxequad-review-first-thunderbolt-20-motherboard
Looking at Appleinsider's price guide I only see $50-$100 discounts. That seems pretty modest compared to $100-$250 discounts on the macbook pro. Resellers typically offer a little bit of a discount off of apple's prices.
We're having 100 € ($115 USD) discounts throughout the 21.5" line + that one 27" model. True, not as great as 200€ we had for Macbook. And it's only from certain resellers only.
And true rMBP 13" seems to be also on verge the get a similar update. Or a new model.. finally.
And true rMBP 13" seems to be also on verge the get a similar update. Or a new model.. finally.
I bet on Macintosh product realigment for WWDC as this;
Desktops: Mac mini(maybe all new unibody), IMac/iMac pro (all retina ) Mac Pro - all with only thunderbolt 3 and usb3.1 on usb-c plus Ethernet/HDMI 2b as ports options
Laptops: MacBook retina 12, MacBook retina thunderbolt 14 and 16 (all new more pixels same dpi) only ports tb3-hdmi; MacBook pro only 15.6" model only tb3+USB 3.1 on usb-C+HDMI almost sane unibidy, MacBook thunderbolt and MacBook pro will introduce touchID.
Mac server rack may back, only available to Apple as internal cloud platform,maybe later on the online store maybe the first ARM based Mac .
A touchID wired/wireless keyboard eventually will complement Apple products line, as an 3D Touch mouse, minor announcements may include Airport product's.
Desktops: Mac mini(maybe all new unibody), IMac/iMac pro (all retina ) Mac Pro - all with only thunderbolt 3 and usb3.1 on usb-c plus Ethernet/HDMI 2b as ports options
Laptops: MacBook retina 12, MacBook retina thunderbolt 14 and 16 (all new more pixels same dpi) only ports tb3-hdmi; MacBook pro only 15.6" model only tb3+USB 3.1 on usb-C+HDMI almost sane unibidy, MacBook thunderbolt and MacBook pro will introduce touchID.
Mac server rack may back, only available to Apple as internal cloud platform,maybe later on the online store maybe the first ARM based Mac .
A touchID wired/wireless keyboard eventually will complement Apple products line, as an 3D Touch mouse, minor announcements may include Airport product's.
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HDMI 2.0 only with dGPU. Not with iGPU.
TouchID could be macOS only feature. It might need a new kind of security system for the OS.. unless it is fully firmware based. That is why I've been thinking that Apple could embed an ARM chip to run a second OS, mainly for security purposes, but also to run a new filesystem.
We have some information on Pascal. https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1579388-1-1.html
1300 MHz Pascal GPU will have similar performance of Maxwell GPU with similar core count, but clocked at 1800 MHz.
1300 MHz Pascal GPU will have similar performance of Maxwell GPU with similar core count, but clocked at 1800 MHz.
TouchID has nothibg to do with cpu platform, while on PC it has to be much different as on iOS, I think you are confused with ARM"s TrustZone or trusted execution environment and Apple's security enclave,
TEE its an area where the processor stores confidential data you can't read from other peripherals w/o consent , security enclave its an Apple co processor an confidential store , moreless similar on concept.
The truth is that both are mobile adaptation of the ISA Trusted Platform architecture TPM, which has decades maturing.
A touchID on OSX sure will use an ARM securecore cpu integrated in the fingerprint scanner to store the fingerprint data and keys, this will Link with motherboard"s TPM as a trusted device (as its done in systems that require a smart card to boot, this case the card is your fingerprint), once the system is up the touchID becomes an usb peripherals interacting with OSX like an smart card reader/writer for its confidential zone and as scanner to manage fingerprints and other functions.
Why a second OS though? Why not create a highly efficient co-processor that specialize in some tasks like security with TouchID and some other "helper" functions to OS X, much like Apples M series?
Several years ago i imagined a co-processor taking care of "useless" OS and kernal tasks like timers/timer interrupts, timer frequency etc, there is still some apps on OS X that really should be idling but still uses 1-2% cpu doing nothing other than ask to see if it have a task to do, wasting energy and CPU time for nothing, waking an idling CPU is wasting energy (on desktops its pretty much irrelevant but on laptop this could improve battery time), maybe pointless now since Maverick introduction of timer coalescing but improvements can obviously still be made.
But still, a custom chip that is super energy efficient that uses interrupt coalescing, timer coalescing, wake ups, or even is a controller/helper unit for the tickless kernel. There is some tasks that feels to be a waste of energy waking the big beast (Intel/AMD cpu:s) "Excuse me CPU, this is Microsoft Word, do you have a task for me or should i go back to sleep"
Thats just some examples, the ship could probably do alot more. Probably not that easy to implement a multi architecture like that though.
I was thinking a similar solution that some better RAID cards have had for ages; for host OS it is just an i/o card with one or more logical discs. The card itself is run on an independent processor with its own ram that takes care of the RAID stripping etc.
To put ARM processor just for TouchID would be a waste of a good CPU... So why not give it other tasks. It could be a full feature security processor with touchID, encryption and disc i/o all in one. IT could even compress files on the fly without consuming any time from main CPU. And because it would be OS independent, it would be difficult to hack.
This is why people are disappointed with every Apple announcement. They expect them to update everything with all new features, which is unrealistic and you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Even when Apple switched to Intel and performance was doubling with each new release Apple still rolled it out slowly over a year.
These rumors are looking plausible. A bump in performance but nothing earth shattering. It makes sense because GPUs got so big on 28 nm and are only moderate size on 14/16 nm to start. Remember that GM200 was ~600 mm2 and GP104 is rumored to be 320 mm2. The same holds for AMD but they are targeting an even smaller GPU for their first 14 nm.
I am surprised that we haven't heard many rumors from AMD given that we thought they were supposed to have the edge given that they have been demoing their chips since January.
Modern CPUs already have this. They have dedicated transistors for video encoding, graphics, encryption, virtualization and lots of other dedicated tasks. Its not a coprocessor, its on the CPU itself. Just like the M series is now embedded in the A9 processor. Currently GPUs are co-processors that specialize in simple and highly parallel tasks. Additionally, modern processors are so smart at clock gating and reducing frequencies that the benefits of offloading relatively complex tasks like running word would see very little benefits in power savings at the cost of increased complexity of having every app target multiple architectures for the same platform.
Hmmm. 1.86 GHz Pascal GPU is 4% faster than the fastest GTX 980 Ti. It would indicate that it is 2048 CUDA core GPU, not 2560. Also the compute performance delta between the two GPUs appears to be correct(Waterforce GTX 980 Ti - 7.558 TFLOPs, GTX 1080 - 7.618 TFLOPs).
Yeeaaaaaaah none of what you said had anything to do with what i said, and not once did i say that the co-processor should run word
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