2016 nMP

[ManuelGomes]

OK, looks very good.
But as I suspected, not much info was provided. And the timing of the announcement might be related.
And yes, NVLink has nothing to do with this. Apple could do it in the nMP but they won't for sure. Far too complex to implement in the current design. And you'd need OS X support, although this could be in the works along with the CUDA stuff.
This was just a "mine is bigger than yours" show actually, as was certain.
They now left everyone longing for more info.
[doublepost=1462610635][/doublepost]Seems to be a nice OC'er
Power draw is a bit on the high side maybe because they clocked it so high.
They went all in with this, was it to crush Polaris right from birth? What does this show?
DP1.4 readiness is awesome, good thing they went that route, like I said before I hope Polaris (if they go inside the nMP) will also be ready for it. Although, visually lossless doesn't seem the way to go, but until something more capable comes along it will have to do.

 

[Zarniwoop]

So if AMD's' words about Polaris 2x to 2.5x power efficiency are true, Nvidia might just have lost it's crown to be the most power efficient GPU...

But Nvidia was so quiet about GTX 1070, that we really don't know what it is capable of.. and I suppose this is the level, where the competition is going to be severe...
[doublepost=1462613324][/doublepost]Could it be the support for Adaptive sync that Nvidia didn't certificate their GPU's for DP 1.3 and 1.4?

 

[Synchro3]

NVIDIA just did it...and gpu-raped amd a nice one....and now it made titan x look like hello kitty.

GTX 1080 is told to be around 15-20% faster than GTX Titan X. Not so much faster.

But still a nice upgrade.

 

[spacescraper2]

GTX 1080 is told to be around 15-20% faster than GTX Titan X. Not so much faster.

But still a nice upgrade.

a bit random this. but im struggling to find any info and also i need to invite someone to start a thread and im new to using the forum on macrumours.

this is my post that i cant post as i dont know anyone. can you help me at all?
is my mid 2010 macpro and cuda use stuck at the gtx 580?

- - - -

been digging around for a while.
finding horror stories of incompatibility with hardware and OS

i have a mid 2010 2 x 2.93 / 64GB with a GTX580 card inside.

I currently feel stuck and uncertain to how i can upgrade. im running OS X 10.8.5 (still i know!!!)
but a good friend has brought me up to speed on the cuda issue with this card and the next
generation OS upgrade to 10.9, saying the nvidia cards cuda doesn't work.

is anyone else in the same boat?

1. I feel that maybe my gtx580 will not work with anything higher than my current 10.8.5
anyone help?

2. will the newer generation nvidia cards work with latest OS? does the cuda work?

bit late on this but i think its time to work out my options

graham
[doublepost=1462620958][/doublepost]great ive been classified as a newbie (thats not going to do me any favours
btw im a post production / graphic deisigner / motion graphics user not a gamer
seeking more power

 

[Synchro3]

a bit random this. but im struggling to find any info and also i need to invite someone to start a thread and im new to using the forum on macrumours.

this is my post that i cant post as i dont know anyone. can you help me at all?
is my mid 2010 macpro and cuda use stuck at the gtx 580?
- - - -

been digging around for a while.
finding horror stories of incompatibility with hardware and OS

i have a mid 2010 2 x 2.93 / 64GB with a GTX580 card inside.

I currently feel stuck and uncertain to how i can upgrade. im running OS X 10.8.5 (still i know!!!)
but a good friend has brought me up to speed on the cuda issue with this card and the next
generation OS upgrade to 10.9, saying the nvidia cards cuda doesn't work.

is anyone else in the same boat?

1. I feel that maybe my gtx580 will not work with anything higher than my current 10.8.5
anyone help?

2. will the newer generation nvidia cards work with latest OS? does the cuda work?

bit late on this but i think its time to work out my options

No, you are not stuck with GTX 580, all Kepler cards except late GTX 780 work with OS X drivers with no issues. Maxwell and Pascal cards however need Nvidia drivers. With the right driver CUDA should work in all OS X revisions.

For some cards you have to enable CUDA in Premiere: https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5-faq.htm

GTX 680/GTX 770 work with OS X 10.8.5.

 

[spacescraper2]

No, you are not stuck with GTX 580, all Kepler cards except late GTX 780 work with OS X drivers with no issues. Maxwell and Pascal cards however need Nvidia drivers. With the right driver CUDA should work in OS X 10.9 and higher.

GTX 680/GTX 770 work with OS X 10.8.5.

hi there Synchro3

cool this is great news, so no cuda issues, will titan and 1000 series work if you have any news on these?
and ive just read a post i think you joined in on, but is 2gb the limit on my macpro?

graham

 

[ManuelGomes]

Now NVidia is touting async compute as a key point in Pascal. Go figure.
I wonder if the 3x more power efficient than the predecessor has anything to do with AMD claiming 2-2.5x?! It's even a bit more!!!
Let's see if they are indeed first ones out with also GDDR5X, or if this paper launch is just another tactic. Founders edition, eh? That will be the all included NVidia provided model, with vapor chamber and all. I guess the no frills OEM cards will not be this hot, although the regular players will have their own Super OC whatever models as well.
I wonder if the 1080Ti (turbo intercooler? ) will be based on GP100, cut down of course, again or if there's some free silicon in this die to be unlocked.

 

[Synchro3]

hi there Synchro3

cool this is great news, so no cuda issues, will titan and 1000 series work if you have any news on these?
and ive just read a post i think you joined in on, but is 2gb the limit on my macpro?

graham

You have to wait for the release of new Nvidia drivers. Not out yet for Pascal cards. I am confident Nvidia will release drivers for OS X, as they did for Maxwell cards.

You mean the former 2 GB limit of Kepler graphic cards? No issue since OS X 10.8.3, if I remember rightly.

Now back on topic.

 

[ManuelGomes]

To be on the nMP it would have to be something like the 1070, probably downclocked even further, let's wait for the specs. I wonder why NVidia didn't release the 1070 specs already? Are they still tuning to counter Polaris, once it's specs are released? They do mention 6.5TF though. Are the 9TF of the 1080 just a tad higher than AMD's 8.5TF - maybe this was just to take the crown?

 

[Zarniwoop]

To be on the nMP it would have to be something like the 1070, probably downclocked even further, let's wait for the specs. I wonder why NVidia didn't release the 1070 specs already? Are they still tuning to counter Polaris, once it's specs are released? They do mention 6.5TF though. Are the 9TF of the 1080 just a tad higher than AMD's 8.5TF - maybe this was just to take the crown?

Maybe, and they had to pay with the TDP penalty. GTX 1070 could be a lot more efficient, on the perf/watt sweetspot. I don't think that Polaris is heading to the levels of GTX 1080 so they can keep their crown.
[doublepost=1462624746][/doublepost]GTX 1070 should be out on 10th of June. Yet again, it's Friday. So deliveries starts next week... which is the week of WWDC.

 

[spacescraper2]

You have to wait for the release of new Nvidia drivers. Not out yet for Pascal cards. I am confident Nvidia will release drivers for OS X, as they did for Maxwell cards.

You mean the former 2 GB limit of Kepler graphic cards? No issue since OS X 10.8.3, if I remember rightly.

Now back on topic.

thank you. G

 

[Mago]

Acting as evil (AMD) advocate: nVidia actually felt short, if you compare AMD Fury Nano (28nm) performance in 175W (as Zain* quoted) it's just 10% behind the GTX1080(16nm) which run 2% hotter (180W), it's evident nVidia didn't do as well optimizing the new process, or these gp104 gpu are the remains of gp100 after disabling defective cores (which makes sense with these figures), which eventually could lead to native gp104 cores much more power efficient as long nVidia fills its gp100 backlog .

AMD still have a chance to fine tune the clock of Polaris Elllesmere XT to achieve more than 9TF at an lower TDP.

Ahh few noted nVidia also upgraded SLI the newer its twice faster

 

[ManuelGomes]

I doubt we'll see GDDR5X cards so soon in quantities but ok. This was just a teaser and for bragging rights.

 

[cerberusss]

This thread reminds me that AMD is still healthy enough to keep the PR department's lights on.

I think "Unicorn 3000" is a better name than "Polaris".

Hahaha! You're a one-of-a-kind here on the forum but that made me laugh out loud

 

[netkas]

Still need amd cards to be good to have lower prices on nvidia cards, don't forget it

Remember the story with launch prices of gtx 280: it was 650$ before 4870 launch and 500$ after.

 

[Mago]

Still need amd cards to be good to have lower prices on nvidia cards, don't forget it

Remember the story with launch prices of gtx 280: it was 650$ before 4870 launch and 500$ after.

Good point, even if as I fear these gp104 are mere remains of P100 defective but still functional yields, actually these are free silicon , nVidia could lower its price much more w/o damage. (And P100 backlog it's really huge ).

 

[MacVidCards]

I wonder if the various members of the AMD PR team could've consolidated into one name. It gets confusing reading multiple posts that all sound like they were written by same person.

I realize that having Nvidia steal all the thunder is upsetting(again) but there are now 3 or 4 people all posting same stuff.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Interesting thing about conspiracy theories, as they rarely have any merit. If you don't have facts to support claims, rely on the latter.

 

[pat500000]

GTX 1080 is told to be around 15-20% faster than GTX Titan X. Not so much faster.

But still a nice upgrade.

lol. sure..15-20 percent is not so much...but then again...the price.

 

[koyoot]

So far, leaked 3dMark benchmarks show that GTX 1080 is 4% faster than fastest GTX 980 Ti.

But as usual, I would wait for reviews. Interesting times I have to say. And said before .

It looks like it really will be 10-20% faster than Titan X. The TDP is important. Idle time efficiency is meaningless when we have to deal with load efficiency.

P.S. Nvidia starts to hype Asynchronous Compute. Well, according to some members of this forum it was not supposed to change anything. Guess, right now it will. Cause right now it also works on hardware level on Nvidia GPUs, not only software level And is Nvidia branded .

lol. sure..15-20 percent is not so much...but then again...the price.

Actually it is pretty nice upgrade, even for people who bought in past Maxwell GPUs. Overall the architecture looks very, very good. I am not sure about the longevity of the GPUs, knowing Nvidia, their hardware mature very badly, but who knows? Maybe with Pascal will be different situation? It is very similar architecture on wavefront level per 64CC to GCN.

Also, I was said to be AMD shill when I was saying the exact core config of the GP104 GPUs, but did underestimated the core clocks. I do not expect apologizing.

 

[Zarniwoop]

I wonder if the various members of the AMD PR team could've consolidated into one name. It gets confusing reading multiple posts that all sound like they were written by same person.

Are you sure is is not Apple's' PR team? It's Apple that buys their chips and keeps the company alive.

 

[pat500000]

Question...does classic mac pro have 8 pin connector?

 

[koyoot]

The official clocks of the GTX 1080 are listed as 1733 Mhz, but the demo that was shown on the Nvidia special event was actually running at a cool 2.1 Ghz. And that too on an air cooler! This means that the demo was actually running almost 23% higher than the official boost clock (which is already 40% higher than Maxwell by the way).

...NVIDIA’s new SLI HB bridge doubles the available transfer bandwidth compared to the NVIDIA Maxwell™ architecture. Delivering silky-smooth gameplay, it’s the best way to experience surround gaming—and it’s only compatible with the GeForce GTX 1080.

...Unfortunately NVIDIA has not yet disclosed detailed specs of GeForce GTX 1070. It is only said that it has 6.5 TFLOPs performance and that it’s faster than TITAN X. Assuming it has similar clocks to GTX 1080, then it should have around 2048 CUDA cores.

Which means that the scores from the demo were for 2.1 GHz GPU, not 1.733 MHz.
Second bit to add to this: http://www.bitsandchips.it/52-english-news/6972-some-questions-about-new-gp104-gpu
Edit: about the bits&chips link:

Will NVIDIA use pre-production samples, like it’s doing with P100 cards, equipped with pre-production HBM2 chips? Low availability, but the cards are essentially on the market. So, NVIDIA users can say that it's not a paper launch, even the cards will be out-of-stock almost every time. This is a good tactic, because NVIDIA can say that it's a best seller. Marketing at its best, and NVIDIA is the Master of marketing tactics in IT industry (It's not an accusation, but a fact).

http://semiaccurate.com/2016/05/03/thing-go-bumpgate-in-the-night-for-nvidias-gp100-pascal-gpu/
This will be VERY interesting. Why? Because of this: http://semiaccurate.com/2010/07/11/...e-macbook-pros-have-nvidia-bad-bump-material/

Cards are on the market, they are not available to buy. GDDR5X availability, and low amount of room on TSMC fabs. Like I have said, Paper launch with wide availability in early Q3(Early July). I do not know this, but it may be funny if the GPUs from Founders Edition would be from qualification silicon.

180W TDP for 1.73 GHz boost. Wonder what power consumption was with 2.1 GHz. 8 pin connector is there for a very good reason. And I was said for AMD fanboy when claimed that Pascal will not be as energy efficient as Maxwell was.

One more little thing. It also appears that GTX 1070 will not be an upgrade for people who own GTX 980 Ti, and Titan X. Unless they want efficiency, or going SLI. Then it is very good idea.

As usual, grain of salt about "magical" green branded hardware.

Are you sure is is not Apple's' PR team? It's Apple that buys their chips and keeps the company alive.

No! Everyone should buy hardware from MVC! Apple should do it!

 

[Mago]

Are you sure is is not Apple's' PR team? It's Apple that buys their chips and keeps the company alive.

I should be on both Apple, nVidia and AMD PR Staff, got Triple Pay check ....

[Edit] I Miss I'm at Lenovo's team too, since I'm fan of its P50 mobile workstation... Also on Supermicro's and Asrockrack since I commented how powerful can be made a workstation on their monstrous motherboards

 

[Synchro3]

lol. sure..15-20 percent is not so much...but then again...the price.

Yes, and only 180 Watt TDP, perfect for Mac Pro 4,1/5,1. And 1700 Mhz air-cooled! Even with OC to 2.1 GHz air-cooled!

Almost certain that 1080 Ti next year will exceed 225 Watt, so the GTX 1080 is the perfect card for 4,1/5,1.