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Do you have any clue when this refresh might happen? I'm thinking about buying an iMac and if it's two months I can wait, but if it's half a year then I'd buy right now.
 
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i think if its just internal upgrades the new one can come this year with orders reaching their customers beginning with 5 January. But at a max date will be the March event with a redesign iMac and Mac Mini
 
i think if its just internal upgrades the new one can come this year with orders reaching their customers beginning with 5 January. But at a max date will be the March event with a redesign iMac and Mac Mini

I agree with this however given we are so close to a Kabylake CPU, for Apple to manufacture in large quantity I think March. Would love it to be earlier as I was ready to order at the October announcement, but am not prepared to buy a machine that has out of date ports.

Unlike some on this site who are ordering now to avoid the USBC / TB3, I am the opposite. Would much prefer to have a computer that is set for the future than the past.
 
And I could possibly see (but probably not) an OLD touch bar integrated below the display with the chin.
i don't think they'll put touch on a vertical surface.. so far, they've shown us they're thinking touch interface should be where your fingers/hands already naturally fall when using the device... trackpads,iphones/pods/pads, keyboards, mice... if we see touch functionality / touch strip incorporated into apple's desktops, i'd guess they're highly likely going to be on the keyboards.
 
i don't think they'll put touch on a vertical surface.. so far, they've shown us they're thinking touch interface should be where your fingers/hands already naturally fall when using the device... trackpads,iphones/pods/pads, keyboards, mice... if we see touch functionality / touch strip incorporated into apple's desktops, i'd guess they're highly likely going to be on the keyboards.

yep keyboard only and that will be a stretch.

Definitely don't want to be reaching up to the screen to touch a command that is already on the screen..... the usefulness of the touch bar is already dubious to me, seeing the examples on the Apple site.
 
yep keyboard only and that will be a stretch.

Definitely don't want to be reaching up to the screen to touch a command that is already on the screen..... the usefulness of the touch bar is already dubious to me, seeing the examples on the Apple site.
if the developers have access to it, i believe they can put their icons on the touch bar instead of a row of icons on the screen, thus clearing up space for larger work canvases on smaller screens.

this is a general example of how it may be helpful. in my main application (rhino) i think there will be even more beneficial uses than this.

we'll see i guess.. one of mcneel's mac devs has a 2016mbp on order.
 
Do you have any clue when this refresh might happen? I'm thinking about buying an iMac and if it's two months I can wait, but if it's half a year then I'd buy right now.
No one has a clue, people hope that we'll see something in March but no one really knows
 
I really don't care about the keyboard - I'll be sticking with my Das Keyboard 4 Pro no matter what - even if I have to buy/use some goofy adapter. That said, I think we'll see similar options from the new rMBP (4 TB3 ports, 2 GB NVMe SSD option, and elimination of the SDXC card slot (BOO)), along with a Kaby Lake i7 4.2 w/quad core CPU, improved AMD graphics (wish it was Pascal), the new 5k LG monitor packaged in a narrow-bezel iMac body, and retention of the GBE port. I'm betting on a March 2017 announcement...

Or, maybe they plan on eliminating the Mac Pro from the lineup, and making the iMac their solo desktop product, with an 8-core option?
 
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i wonder since for the macbook pro apple somehow took a normal decision not to put DDR4 because there is no lpddr4...i hope for the imac update/mac mini/mac pro (so desktops) to put DDR4 in there
 
I just had the chance to play with the demo unit 15" mbp, i have to say the internal speakers are awesome and i think apple really need to update the built in speakers with the new macs. So,since apple redesign every updated built in speakers and usb-c macs,is safe to say a redesign is next
 
Here's a very rough mockup of what I think most people want in the next iMac:
  • 5K P3 Display with much thinner/sleeker bezels and a drastically reduced chin
  • Magic Keyboard 2 with Touch Bar (as an option at least with perhaps a $99 up charge)
  • Magic Trackpad 2 at no additional cost (currently a $49 up charge)
  • 4 Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports (no they won't give you USB-A too...to get people on USB-C they just have to rip the band-aid)
  • Perhaps leave the Ethernet port since these are desktop machines
  • 1TB Fusion Drive or 256GB SSD as the standard config with reasonable SSD upgrades to 512GB and 1TB
  • AMD Polaris graphics in all 27-inch configs
  • Starting at no higher than $1,999

If Apple sold this machine tomorrow, iMac owners would rejoice. Thoughts on the breakdown and rough mockup?

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I think your mockup looks superb.
 
Here's a very rough mockup of what I think most people want in the next iMac:
  • 5K P3 Display with much thinner/sleeker bezels and a drastically reduced chin
  • Magic Keyboard 2 with Touch Bar (as an option at least with perhaps a $99 up charge)
  • Magic Trackpad 2 at no additional cost (currently a $49 up charge)
  • 4 Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports (no they won't give you USB-A too...to get people on USB-C they just have to rip the band-aid)
  • Perhaps leave the Ethernet port since these are desktop machines
  • 1TB Fusion Drive or 256GB SSD as the standard config with reasonable SSD upgrades to 512GB and 1TB
  • AMD Polaris graphics in all 27-inch configs
  • Starting at no higher than $1,999

If Apple sold this machine tomorrow, iMac owners would rejoice. Thoughts on the breakdown and rough mockup?

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I would buy the heck out of that!
 
I would buy the heck out of that!

Instant purchase for me - maxed out of course :)
To be honest though will still be instant buy without a redesign and touch bar, as I need to upgrade my current desktop setup.
But if the iMac is going to compete with the surface studio a new design should be forthcoming - lets hope they were already updating it prior to the studio being announced [I am sure they are]
 
IS IT A COMPLETE REDESIGN OR JUST A HARDWARE REFRESH?

I see no rumors answering this.
Considering picking up an iMac on-sale since it's mid-cycle but if there's a redesign coming I don't mind the wait.
 
i dont think we can have some leaks with so many months before...remember new the macbook pro or even the slim down imac from 2012...only with 1-2 months ahead of the update...and if the update will be in March, i guess we will have some news after end of this year
 
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Apple's roots are designing for creatives first. The original mac was designed with creativity in mind. Have faith.

I suspect they will surpass the Microsoft Surface Studio experience with a much better looking machine that has a the option for a 32" screen.

Screens are getting so cheap and light now. The old static desktop experience with mouse or tablet input is old tech.

Apple have long since moved on from designing for creatives. Now Apple design for the mainstream with maximum emoji support.

Just look at the state of the Mac Pro and OS X OpenGL. No creative would touch those machines. Apple can't even be bothered to support Vulkan, and Metal is frankly dead in the water..
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Touchbar on the keyboard

Curved, larger screen with independent split zones like this

2TB SSD



That's it!

EDIT: touchbar on the keyboard

The touch bar is arguably a bad idea even on a laptop, where the screen is right next to the keyboard. On a desktop where you're looking directly forward it would be ridiculous to expect users to look down to their desk to see where some virtual keys are at that moment in time.

I don't believe 2tb SSDs exist yet, but if they did they'd cost almost as much as the rest of the computer combined.
 
Apple have long since moved on from designing for creatives. Now Apple design for the mainstream with maximum emoji support.

Just look at the state of the Mac Pro and OS X OpenGL. No creative would touch those machines. Apple can't even be bothered to support Vulkan, and Metal is frankly dead in the water..
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The touch bar is arguably a bad idea even on a laptop, where the screen is right next to the keyboard. On a desktop where you're looking directly forward it would be ridiculous to expect users to look down to their desk to see where some virtual keys are at that moment in time.

I don't believe 2tb SSDs exist yet, but if they did they'd cost almost as much as the rest of the computer combined.
I think the Touch Bar on a Magic Keyboard just below the iMac display makes just as much sense as on a notebook. Also a good solution for people who get used to the functions of it on the MBP and then dock it to a new LG 5K display and are in need of an external keyboard.

You can config the new 15" MBP with a 2TB SSD for the smooth cost of $1,200. Exists now.
 
yes i think people, if the touchbar from the magic keyboard will have the same lengh and setup, will get used to it and no longer have to look at it for their usual stuff. I mean for me esc button i reach without looking at it, also the mute and volume. And that is with 1 day, i bet after 1 year, i learn every big important/very frequently used final cut pro buttons how to use them without looking at them
 
Hopefully it looks something like the Surface Studio.


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i dont want to pay for touchscreen since im not a designer. Apple should go with initially non touch OR make an option for those who need it
 
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As analysts go, Ming-Chi Kuo has a decent track record and he states the new iMacs will arrive in the first half of 2017. That tracks with Intel's desktop class Kaby Lake release schedule and would also allow for the AMD 470 and 480 series of GPUs (as AMD seems to be hitting volume production now).

As for the design, I expect more of the same. Guaranteed it won't be a touch screen since Schiller formally rejected such an idea when asked about the Surface Studio.
 
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As analysts go, Ming-Chi Kuo has a decent track record and he states the new iMacs will arrive in the first half of 2017. That tracks with Intel's desktop class Kaby Lake release schedule and would also allow for the AMD 470 and 480 series of GPUs (as AMD seems to be hitting volume production now).

As for the design, I expect more of the same. Guaranteed it won't be a touch screen since Schiller formally rejected such an idea when asked about the Surface Studio.


My guess: The first event of the year - typically in March - will be held at the brand new campus and they'd love to show off an iconic Mac like the iMac to kick off their new keynote hall. I'm expecting/hoping for an iMac case redesign since its been the same for over 4 years now and the inclusion of Thunderbolt 3 will require manufacturing changes anyway so why not?

I could see:
- All new iPad Pro's featuring A10X and consistent specs between sizes
- Kaby Lake spec bump to 12-inch MacBook, and perhaps the USB-C port gains Thunderbolt 3 with Kaby Lake natively supporting it
- All new 27-inch and 21.5-inch iMacs with Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports, and Kaby Lake CPU/AMD GPU for 27-inch model.
- Bonus: Clarity on Mac Pro/Mac mini long term plan.

If this event happens, everyone will be more than happy to hear about software at WWDC.
 
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My guess: The first event of the year - typically in March - will be held at the brand new campus and they'd love to show off an iconic Mac like the iMac to kick off their new keynote hall. I'm expecting/hoping for an iMac case redesign since its been the same for over 4 years now and the inclusion of Thunderbolt 3 will require manufacturing changes anyway so why not?

I could see:
- All new iPad Pro's featuring A10X and consistent specs between sizes
- Kaby Lake spec bump to 12-inch MacBook, and perhaps the USB-C port gains Thunderbolt 3 with Kaby Lake natively supporting it
- All new 27-inch and 21.5-inch iMacs with Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports, and Kaby Lake CPU/AMD GPU for 27-inch model.
- Bonus: Clarity on Mac Pro/Mac mini long term plan.

If this event happens, everyone will be more than happy to hear about software at WWDC.

Yes, this would be a great event for Apple - refresheses on the macbook and imac together with the new ipad [hopefully in matt black :)]. Reduced bezel on the imac would be great, together with all the spec upgrades.
I will be getting a maxed imac and 10" ipad after this event, if the Surface Studio doesn't take my heart [which it does every time I see a video on it].
 
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