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MP 7,1 2019 Mac Pro now end of life
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I hope this means they can easily put their processor on the system. Sure charge for the processor, adaptor or new motherboard. But leave us with the tower
we don’t need to keep reinventing the wheel. The 2013 tried to do that and look hor they turned out.It's the opposite. I purchased a 4TB Apple SSD (I was even planning on taking the 8TB) and the plan was pretty straightforward. Install a faster SSD to serve as the boot and applications drive. Then repurpose the Apple SSD drive for other things than a boot.
Obviously knowing now that the T2 chip is treating the Apple SSD differently than a third-party SSD despite both being internal, it doesn't work out the way as I planned. And now I'm reporting that the T2 chip is more restrictive than people might shrug off to be which is the point of my post.
The $25k gold Apple Watch isn't supported by the upcoming WatchOS, so they got 5 years, or $5k/year out of them. At an absolute minimum, you'll get 2 years, or $4.5k/year out of your machine.
That's one way to look at it.
Another way to look at it, is you invested in a machine that was semi-obsolete when it was brand new, but was still the fastest Mac you could get, and you can tax-deduct the cost.
Or, another way to look at it, is you'll have an expensive shambling undead halflife zombie of a machine, as Intel macs, while supported, miss out on features that are "exclusive" to Apple Silicone, like individual file level encryption, the same way certain video-decoding features were exclusive to T2 Macs.
Given the type and quality of features Apple has been shovelling into macOS recently, I'd be happy to miss out on most of ’em.
I still think a 2019 Mac Pro will be viable for 5+ years.
A). Who wants to buy the first gen Apple Silicon Mac Pro? Chances might not be that high for EVERY possible Intel productivity software will be converted.
B) We still don’t know how these Apple Silicon chips will compare with Xeons and ECC RAM. We are guessing it will blow away the performance, but we aren’t for sure yet.
The iPhones and iPads have been their testing ground for Apple Silicon. and we know how fast these chips are down to the Developer Kit. This is not really a new processor and they for sure have a roadmap on how they will scale the processors up to the Mac Pro. Because of this I think this will come sooner than what people have discounted it for. Mostly in part because of denial that their Intel Apple computers are going to be outdated and they have to pay the Apple tax once again. But this time, it's going to be a true Apple tax.
On the flip side, it is dangerous. It might as well be a lockdown on what users can upgrade. I don't like the scenario once Apple Silicon has gone full fledge across all their product line. If only they weren't so monopolistic in helping users upgrade. At least give their customers a plethora of peripherals and don't solder chips to the motherboard. Oh well.
There is a very large gap between a consumer Macbook Air and the Mac Pro. You also have to keep in mind software. 2 year HARDWARE transition is all good, but if ONLY Microsoft Office and Adobe is out for Apple Silicon, these Intel version are going to be sticking around to run the Intel software.
I do hope so. It would be fun to play around with this Mac Pro and see how far it can be upgraded.
Me too. I mean people are still using their 2010 Mac Pro systems. Its not like Adobe Photoshop 2020 will stop working. Intel software will still be able to run on these systems. I am planning to get a 2019 Mac Pro in the next few months for a 5+ year system.
You'll enjoy tinkering with it. I've already added 3 items to it and excited for what third party manufacturers can come up to enhance it. Good luck.
While true, the switch to ARM is a total platform shift. If/when Apple pulls support for x86 out of a future macOS version, no hacks will make it work.
That said, I would expect we are quite a ways off from that.
Not at all! End-of-life means when there is no longer any software upgrade path, or more loosely, any hardware repair options.
Your Mac Pro is very likely to support new MacOS releases for the next 4-5 years, and to receive security updates for another 3 years after this. After this, it should still continue to work as well as it does now for many years to come. Assuming you keep a copy of the last supported MacOS installer, you should be able to use your machine until it develops an unsupported hardware fault (and bear in mind that there is a 3rd-party market for Mac repairs even after Apple no longer offers out-of-warranty repairs).
In any case, the Mac Pro will be (almost certainly) the last Mac to transition to ARM, so you will still have the "best possible Mac" for the next 2 years, maybe longer.
All technology comes to the end of its useful life at some point - depending on your needs, this could well be 10-15 years away. I was still able to use a 2007 MBP quite productively until last year - it had Firewire interfaces that I needed for some AV devices and proved very useful, even though it had little monetary value.
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You can bet that this is exactly what Apple is working on....but I think it will come at the end of the "about 2 years" transition. ARM is capable of of competing with Intel Xeon today (in the data centre), but as you say, Apple will need to develop something new that is more appropriate for a desktop or workstation.
They would look pretty stupid having to say (in 2 years time)....sorry...when we said "transition to ARM", we meant everything except the iMac Pro and Mac Pro.... I'm pretty sure their R&D has made sure that they can deliver on their promise.
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No, it's not.
Because they needed a pro level product and the new hardware is not yet available, and certainly not available at a performance level comparable to a 28 core Mac Pro.
They released the 2019 pro based on what hardware was available for that performance at the time.
Come 2020-2021, its doubtful even with their new Apple Silicon they will have anything that will out-perform it at the tasks the Mac Pro is used for.
Times change. If Apple were to follow your line of thinking no one would release anything ever because there is always some upgrade/product change around the corner.
The older machines are far easier to keep going through code mods and hack as they have no T2 Chip.
Mac Pro Cube - Announced WWDC 2022 / Pre-orders Q3 2022 / Shipping Q4 2022 2 1/2 years after transition announcement)
32 P cores / 16 E cores / 64 GPU cores / 32GB HBM2e UMA / 500W APUzilla
Up to 128GB DDR5 RAM
Up to 16TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 storage
Discrete Audio / Video I/O & DSPs
Entry-level DCC / Scientific / Engineering / etc. workstation
The Real Deal Big Chungus Mac Pro; maybe dual high core count APUs (but with lower GPU cores) & ability to host multiple discrete GPUs, more RAM & storage capacity than the Cube...?
32 P cores / 16 E cores / 64 GPU cores / 32GB HBM2e UMA / 500W APUzilla
Up to 128GB DDR5 RAM
Up to 16TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 storage
Discrete Audio / Video I/O & DSPs
Entry-level DCC / Scientific / Engineering / etc. workstation
The Real Deal Big Chungus Mac Pro; maybe dual high core count APUs (but with lower GPU cores) & ability to host multiple discrete GPUs, more RAM & storage capacity than the Cube...?
If the Real Deal Big Chungus Mac Pro starts at $999 then sure. Because the little Chungus won’t be impressive in 2023.
Well, here we are in June of 2022, and no Apple Silicon Mac Pro has been announced yet. My guess...it'll be announced end of this year in a special event in September or October following the usual fall iPhone event.
Now that said...I have a 2019 Mac Pro 80% Maxed out. It's running several tons of Ram, has tons of Storage, I'm running 4 of the absolute best GPU's "2 w6800x Duo's", and this thing is literally faster than a PC with 3 RTX 3090's in it in Cinema 4D R26 with OctaneX...Octane on my computer renders in realtime as I work on 3D animation...this machine is a beast...literally and by far the fastest and most powerful Mac on the market, period, and to get a PC that tops it would cost at least $25k. That PC would need 300+ gigs of Ram, 8TB+ of storage, and 3 RTX 3090's in it...
This Mac Pro is going nowhere and will be the most powerful Mac available for at least the next 4 years.
The Apple Silicon Mac Pro will have to be on par with 3 RTX 3090's, which they aren't capable of doing yet.
Here's a great video about it
The reality is, even from now, June of 2022...your 2019 Mac Pro will be relevant and the primary system in your workflow for another 8 to 10 years.Why 2019 Mac Pro is worth it in 2022
Now that said...I have a 2019 Mac Pro 80% Maxed out. It's running several tons of Ram, has tons of Storage, I'm running 4 of the absolute best GPU's "2 w6800x Duo's", and this thing is literally faster than a PC with 3 RTX 3090's in it in Cinema 4D R26 with OctaneX...Octane on my computer renders in realtime as I work on 3D animation...this machine is a beast...literally and by far the fastest and most powerful Mac on the market, period, and to get a PC that tops it would cost at least $25k. That PC would need 300+ gigs of Ram, 8TB+ of storage, and 3 RTX 3090's in it...
This Mac Pro is going nowhere and will be the most powerful Mac available for at least the next 4 years.
The Apple Silicon Mac Pro will have to be on par with 3 RTX 3090's, which they aren't capable of doing yet.
Here's a great video about it
The reality is, even from now, June of 2022...your 2019 Mac Pro will be relevant and the primary system in your workflow for another 8 to 10 years.Why 2019 Mac Pro is worth it in 2022
Not only are you absolutely SPOT ON about the hardware requirements, don't forget how limited ARM libraries currently are.
So even if Apple is able to somehow come up with a system that is close to as powerful as 3x RTX 3090's (HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY doubtful, though I am definitely curious to see what they come up with), there is still the software side of things that is VERY lacking, and this is what the iSheep forget (as they are hypnotized by apple's doctored presentation "look how much more powerful and shiny it is", yada yada).
What's the point of having a supercar if the roads that you are going to drive it on are non existant? similarly: What's the point of having an EV if there are no electric charging stations? The supercar (or EV) stays in your garage at that point.
This is very much about software transitions/porting to ARM (which legacy software won't do), as it is about apple being able to develop a more powerful ARM SoC platform.
Hell, I am using a 13 year old machine, and yes i've hacked it quite a lot, but it still functions just fine under Big Sur, and I could even take it up to Monterey, if I wanted to punish myself.
What saddens me is it looks like the abomination known as Monterey will be the last OS for the cMP, but until we know for sure, I will definitely continue to use this machine while monitoring if the fantasyland prices drop for the 7,1, and if so, I will get one of those.
Until then, I'll continue to use this baby.
You can see my specs below
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Monterey is garbage but the era of quality MacOS releases is long over. I would say it's best to keep running the oldest possible MacOS release on a souped up cMP as long as most of your software works.
^ Kept doing that for years. It's gonna come to it's end pretty soon I am afraid. My 6,1s gonna help through a year or a couple of years at best I'd think.
M-series are not yet ready for my workflows software wise. I do recognize they might never be ready, not with my softwares and not with my profession as a whole. Never.
I've lived the transitions, almost all of them. 68k to PPC. PPC to Intel. And now Intel to Mx series. And they all sucked, before this latest one too. And this latest transition, this is sucking just like the others did.
edit. (and there was a transition in between of 68k period too, as of 000, 020, 030, 040)
I get it. It's all about the money. Obviously it doesn't suck for everyone (the transition). Apple is now the conquistador. Apple does the math, and leaves the rest of us behind as meaningless sub-zero-digits.
To the subject. For me the value of 2019 never was enough to purchase it. For some it seemed to be. If there never was to be Apple Silicon, maybe I was in the line for one now. For an updated, discounted, MacPro obviously.
Anyways, it's pretty effing exiting to see how this all comes up this time with a transition of . I wouldn't count on any new intel releases by Apple though.
M-series are not yet ready for my workflows software wise. I do recognize they might never be ready, not with my softwares and not with my profession as a whole. Never.
I've lived the transitions, almost all of them. 68k to PPC. PPC to Intel. And now Intel to Mx series. And they all sucked, before this latest one too. And this latest transition, this is sucking just like the others did.
edit. (and there was a transition in between of 68k period too, as of 000, 020, 030, 040)
I get it. It's all about the money. Obviously it doesn't suck for everyone (the transition). Apple is now the conquistador. Apple does the math, and leaves the rest of us behind as meaningless sub-zero-digits.
To the subject. For me the value of 2019 never was enough to purchase it. For some it seemed to be. If there never was to be Apple Silicon, maybe I was in the line for one now. For an updated, discounted, MacPro obviously.
Anyways, it's pretty effing exiting to see how this all comes up this time with a transition of . I wouldn't count on any new intel releases by Apple though.
I was upset when Apple decided to cut support for the 6,1 and thought against buying another Intel Mac, but I may still end up with a 7,1. I don’t want an AS Mac Pro if it’s a closed system like the Studio or can only accept proprietary GPUs like the 6,1.
My concern is support with macOS. The 7,1 hardware will stay relevant for a decade. Software support may not. I think Apple should stay with Intel for the Mac Pro or make it dual architecture. They should make an AS add-in card and leave it be.
My concern is support with macOS. The 7,1 hardware will stay relevant for a decade. Software support may not. I think Apple should stay with Intel for the Mac Pro or make it dual architecture. They should make an AS add-in card and leave it be.
I suspect the hardware might stay relevant, but the software support will stall sooner than later. Which is the sad part of it.
I do have a serious concern about software support in all. OS X as a UNIX was a revelation to new unique software for Mac. Suddenly we had those strange little supporting softwares at our hands to do anything we wanted. For free. Unix and Linux software, through some clever UX interfaces. Mac on Intel brought us even some more of that, because of the unified CPU architecture.
Now it's all the opposite. Apple comes around the circle again, and it is by it's own now again. It needs to pay software developers to support it's own architecture. Like with Blender it did.
I don't think I have a chance to continue using Apple anymore. With sad I say, it's going to be a win for WIN.
ps. I edited the post after 5 minutes, a lot.
I do have a serious concern about software support in all. OS X as a UNIX was a revelation to new unique software for Mac. Suddenly we had those strange little supporting softwares at our hands to do anything we wanted. For free. Unix and Linux software, through some clever UX interfaces. Mac on Intel brought us even some more of that, because of the unified CPU architecture.
Now it's all the opposite. Apple comes around the circle again, and it is by it's own now again. It needs to pay software developers to support it's own architecture. Like with Blender it did.
I don't think I have a chance to continue using Apple anymore. With sad I say, it's going to be a win for WIN.
ps. I edited the post after 5 minutes, a lot.
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