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Yes I think McLaren have a solid shot at putting both cars on the podium tomorrow.

Allot of variables still. We don’t have the results of Pirelli’s tire inspections. Depending on what the FIA does could really mix things up.

I’d love to see Lando win tomorrow after today’s result. Probably wishful thinking, but I think possible. I think McLaren’s chassis is almost on par with the RB19 right now, but Max is still the dominant driver. I’d imagine without the Safety Car Festival Max probably would have been P1.

I’ll be pulling for the Papaya tomorrow.
 
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I think we will have some racing tomorrow. Stellar job by Oscar. Great recovery for Lando.

Congratulations to Max and RBR. I don’t see Sergio holding onto P2. He is cursed.

Hopefully we do, it would be cool to see a McLaren win or at least both of them on the podium. It’s a shame McLaren didn’t get their act together at the start of the season.

Sergio is losing that position in the championship rapidly and I’d be shocked if Lewis doesn’t overtake him in the points. Hamilton’s consistency is paying off at least, which is some consolation.
 
I am confused, Max wins in a sprint race. What a daft system, not that he wasn’t going to win this year but still. McLaren snapping at their heels though, just hope next year they manage to keep up with RB from the start.

Imagine a Brit winning in a McLaren! That would be epic. Senna during his McLaren days was just epic.
 
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At no point since the introduction of the Sprint has it been successful, here we have serious damage to cars, a shortened race as a result, would Piastri and Max had a duel in the desert? We were robbed of this as a result of too many safety car laps.. 2nd it is too short an event... The Sprint should be contested by reserve drivers, or nominated drivers, not sure, but the sprint is just not effective, it does not deliver the race it promised...

At this venue, clearly the lack of support racing to hoover up the track dust effected racing, clearly a rethink on the F2/F3 season, yes I stand by mt drop Monaco, it is only there cause it is heritage, then race cars built for the event, 2023 F1 cars do not fit the track, or change the track...It is really a dull event...

My comments you may or may not consider trolling, I do not consider anyone who comments here is a troll.. What was clear and obvious is that this track really needed a race before the Sprint, as it will tomorrow, the lack of F2/F3 will play a role...

What a silly little gift the winner/2nd/3rd got, looked all a bit primary school sports day, and very poorly stage managed, out of order, no one knowing who does what.. For F1..showing just how badly run it is..
 
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Something that has been overlooked to much imo, is Alonso's performances in the Aston Martin. The Aston is not a great car. They had some good early season results, but Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes have been doing better since. Yet Alonso is still up much higher than his team-mate. Ok; Stroll isn't the best driver on the grid, but he's not the worst either. The gap between them is huge, however, and I think even with other drivers in the same car, Alonso wouls stiull be some distance in front. Here is a superb driver, in the twilight of his F1 career, still dragging a relatively poor car up above where it really deserves to be. He's done this for most of his career, and let's not forget, beat Schumacher and Ferrari to two world titles whilst in the inferior car. Unfortunately, his various moves to different teams just haven't paid off, that's just down to luck and chance; he must be hating seeing the McLarens doing so well at the moment. He'd be winning races in that car, and giving Max some actual competition. Imo, there are two drivers on the grid right now who can really get the most out of a car; Fernando and Max. Hamilton for all his DWCs, has never done that well in a poor car, and struggles to get the most out of a car that is sub-optimal. He needs (and has had the immense luck to have) a good car to be competitive. Alonso, Verstappen and also Vettel, are all drivers who can win in a poor car. And that to me, is the mark of a true great. And looking at those three in terms of their performances v team-mates; all have routinely and comprehensively beaten their team-mates throughout their careers, mainly. Particularly galling for the likes of Webber, Massa and now Perez. Hamilton on the other hand, has been beaten a few times by team-mates. But I think Alonso deserves more credit than he is given by the English-speaking F1 press at least.
His success wasn't overlooked early on. But then, as you stated, the AM fell behind on upgrading. So less success means less attention.
 
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I've just found the ignore function and it has drastically improved this thread.
It’s a shame is a necessity in a thread with only a few of us commenting but hey, it becomes a frustrating experience otherwise.

His success wasn't overlooked early on. But then, as you stated, the AM fell behind on upgrading. So less success means less attention.
I think we mostly expected Aston Martin’s form to be short lived this season. They don’t have the resources McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari have to maintain that sort of development pace unfortunately. Alonso was a huge reason for them showcasing that early form too as Stroll simply isn’t good enough to have had the length of F1 career he’s had.

No I agree, Alonso’s success wasn’t overlooked early on, it was the talk of the sport and getting driver of the race deservedly showed he deserved the recognition.
 
Something that has been overlooked to much imo, is Alonso's performances in the Aston Martin. The Aston is not a great car. They had some good early season results, but Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes have been doing better since. Yet Alonso is still up much higher than his team-mate. Ok; Stroll isn't the best driver on the grid, but he's not the worst either. The gap between them is huge, however, and I think even with other drivers in the same car, Alonso wouls stiull be some distance in front. Here is a superb driver, in the twilight of his F1 career, still dragging a relatively poor car up above where it really deserves to be. He's done this for most of his career, and let's not forget, beat Schumacher and Ferrari to two world titles whilst in the inferior car. Unfortunately, his various moves to different teams just haven't paid off, that's just down to luck and chance; he must be hating seeing the McLarens doing so well at the moment. He'd be winning races in that car, and giving Max some actual competition. Imo, there are two drivers on the grid right now who can really get the most out of a car; Fernando and Max. Hamilton for all his DWCs, has never done that well in a poor car, and struggles to get the most out of a car that is sub-optimal. He needs (and has had the immense luck to have) a good car to be competitive. Alonso, Verstappen and also Vettel, are all drivers who can win in a poor car. And that to me, is the mark of a true great. And looking at those three in terms of their performances v team-mates; all have routinely and comprehensively beaten their team-mates throughout their careers, mainly. Particularly galling for the likes of Webber, Massa and now Perez. Hamilton on the other hand, has been beaten a few times by team-mates. But I think Alonso deserves more credit than he is given by the English-speaking F1 press at least.

Not lost on me. This year I give the biggest awards to:

Alonso and Aston, he has REALLY challenged the front runners! Incredible progress from the old dog showing them how it’s done. And he’s had great fun doing so too.

Williams and Albon, again he has been challenging others way up the field, they just need to imporve the pace but he’s been driving brilliantly this year.

McLaren and Lando and his team mate, out of literally nowhere they’ve suddenly been ahead of Mercedes and challenging RB!! Stunning progress on their part.

And ALL of those teams are using a Mercedes engine… whilst we have had some progress from the factory Mercedes team and some sparkling overtakes by Lewis, for me they’ve been a dead duck all year compared to the other teams using their engine.

For me the above teams and drivers bar the Mercedes team have made the racing this year. Sure I’m glad Max won, but he’s rarely been really challenged and his cars just got quicker and quicker, Newey knocked out another masterclass design, and that engine is ridiculously powerful.
 
Not lost on me. This year I give the biggest awards to:

Alonso and Aston, he has REALLY challenged the front runners! Incredible progress from the old dog showing them how it’s done. And he’s had great fun doing so too.

Williams and Albon, again he has been challenging others way up the field, they just need to imporve the pace but he’s been driving brilliantly this year.

McLaren and Lando and his team mate, out of literally nowhere they’ve suddenly been ahead of Mercedes and challenging RB!! Stunning progress on their part.

And ALL of those teams are using a Mercedes engine… whilst we have had some progress from the factory Mercedes team and some sparkling overtakes by Lewis, for me they’ve been a dead duck all year compared to the other teams using their engine.

For me the above teams and drivers bar the Mercedes team have made the racing this year. Sure I’m glad Max won, but he’s rarely been really challenged and his cars just got quicker and quicker, Newey knocked out another masterclass design, and that engine is ridiculously powerful.
It’s funny though isn’t it. All this talk about Perez and how useless he is. And likewise a out the dead duck Mercedes. Yet those two Perez and Hamilton are in the battle for second place.

Looking at the media, social media, etc you wouldn’t think so. 2nd place or third place in a world championship is actually pretty damn good. Yes, it’s so easy to suggest they did so badly.

Ps. Not directed at anyone. I have to actively keep reminding myself as well.

So realistically a fair few improved, AT and Alfa Romeo. Still think Ferrari is disappointing so far.
 
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It's official - the FIA has set a maximum lap count of 18 on tires so we will have a minimum of three pit stops today.

On the plus side, that is going to make tire strategy interesting depending on what sets each team has available and might shake up the order a bit if there are stuffed-up stops (I mean Ferrari alone now has six chances to make a mistake).

And Perez will start from pit lane as the team has run afoul of the "third car" rule as they built out the T-car without the mandatory FIA supervision after his first chassis written off after the Sprint Race collision.
 
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I think we mostly expected Aston Martin’s form to be short lived this season. They don’t have the resources McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari have to maintain that sort of development pace unfortunately.

The Race YouTube channel did a really interesting overview of AM's performance drop-off.

Aston is in the process of finishing a new Technology Campus that has much better capability (larger wind tunnel, etc.) so hopefully that should allow them to better define any issues with the car and then develop and field successful upgrades.


Alonso was a huge reason for them showcasing that early form too as Stroll simply isn’t good enough to have had the length of F1 career he’s had.

Was reading an article about Lance the other day that implied he is in F1 because his dad is a fan, not because he is. And his mother is evidently worried about his health considering how often he crashes (especially something like Singapore). So if we're lucky, he will hang up his helmet after Abu Dhabi this year.


It’s funny though isn’t it. All this talk about Perez and how useless he is. And likewise a out the dead duck Mercedes. Yet those two Perez and Hamilton are in the battle for second place.

Looking at the media, social media, etc you wouldn’t think so. 2nd place or third place in a world championship is actually pretty damn good. Yes, it’s so easy to suggest they did so badly.

I believe a lot of the criticism leveled at Perez is his much poorer overall qualifying performance compared not just to Max, but to many other peer drivers. Perez really should be qualifying beside Max or at least on the second row every single race and if he had, he would have comfortably secured second place in the WDC by now.

I suppose one blessing is Perez is very good at passing in traffic (yesterday's Sprint not withstanding). When he was with Force India, he often started mid-pack but through a combination of his driving skill and the fact that the Force India chassis punched well above it's budgetary weight class he usually finished well into the points. So he does get the race results in the end, which is why he is second, however he should not be 200 points behind his teammate and at risk of being overtaken not just by Lewis, but also by Alonso if the Aston had not suffered it's mid-season drop-off.
 
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Not lost on me. This year I give the biggest awards to:

Alonso and Aston, he has REALLY challenged the front runners! Incredible progress from the old dog showing them how it’s done. And he’s had great fun doing so too.

Williams and Albon, again he has been challenging others way up the field, they just need to imporve the pace but he’s been driving brilliantly this year.

McLaren and Lando and his team mate, out of literally nowhere they’ve suddenly been ahead of Mercedes and challenging RB!! Stunning progress on their part.

And ALL of those teams are using a Mercedes engine… whilst we have had some progress from the factory Mercedes team and some sparkling overtakes by Lewis, for me they’ve been a dead duck all year compared to the other teams using their engine.

For me the above teams and drivers bar the Mercedes team have made the racing this year. Sure I’m glad Max won, but he’s rarely been really challenged and his cars just got quicker and quicker, Newey knocked out another masterclass design, and that engine is ridiculously powerful.
I think Alonso has shone this year, despite other cars being better. Yes, Stroll isn't the greatest F1 driver, but Alonso does have a habit of beating team-mates by some margin; he did that with Massa, Raikkonen, Norris, pretty much everyone he's been paired with. He was something like 8 points off being a 5-time DWC. His ability to get the best out of a poor car, and to help develop a car, is second to none. I think were he in the McLaren right now, he'd be winning more than just a sprint race. Norris and Piastri are good young drivers, but Alonso has far more experience, and I believe ultimately, talent really.

Verstappen is something else again; quite probably the best F1 driver I've ever seen, and that's going back to the 80s! Obviously the Red Bull is a great car this season, but it's not the easiest to drive, as Perez has demonstrated. And Perez is no Lance Stroll. Max has won in the dry, in the wet, on dust, on hard tracks, on steet circuits, on fast circuits, everywhere. I really believe that if Hamilton were in that Red Bull, he'd be struggling, as he needs the car to suit him perfectly. Max is simply better.
 
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Carlos Sainz will not take part in the race due to an issue with the fuel system on his car that cannot be resolved before the race starts.
 
It’s funny though isn’t it. All this talk about Perez and how useless he is. And likewise a out the dead duck Mercedes. Yet those two Perez and Hamilton are in the battle for second place.

Looking at the media, social media, etc you wouldn’t think so. 2nd place or third place in a world championship is actually pretty damn good. Yes, it’s so easy to suggest they did so badly.

Ps. Not directed at anyone. I have to actively keep reminding myself as well.

So realistically a fair few improved, AT and Alfa Romeo. Still think Ferrari is disappointing so far.

Yeap, it just seems that way to me. I guess cause they are always at the front, well Mercedes is anyway, so this year they don't seem to have improved as much as the others I mentioned deviate battling for second as you said.
I can't see Perez staying in the team. He's has some good performances but also a lot of dreadful ones way behind Max but in the same car.
 
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Hulk given a penalty for starting from Sainz's grid spot. :D :rolleyes:

ESPN's feed is terrible today for some reason for me. Looks more SD than HD.
 
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