Stupid of Lewis, must have assumed he was past George. At least George was able to continue. Hopefully Lewis apologises for his Rosberg-esque brain fade. Oh well, maybe Perez will hang onto that second place after all lol.
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Stupid of Lewis, must have assumed he was past George. At least George was able to continue. Hopefully Lewis apologises for his Rosberg-esque brain fade. Oh well, maybe Perez will hang onto that second place after all lol.
Double podium for McLaren.
Gasly has so many time penalties for Track Limits he will probably finish behind Sainz.
Gasly has so many time penalties for Track Limits he will probably finish behind Sainz.
Great by performance by McLaren, they’ve got a very strong pairing there and both very capable of being future champions. The pressure is on McLaren the team now to give them a car good enough to challenge for wins next year. I still hold out hope we’ll see some form of a mix up and have more than a couple of winners.
Oscar DOD. Well deserved. 👍
The only thing keeping Oscar from P1 was that Max was in the RB19. McLaren are coming fast…….
The only thing keeping Oscar from P1 was that Max was in the RB19. McLaren are coming fast…….
So multiple drivers fainted post-race in the Medical Center per Russell and Ocon was sick in his crash helmet due to the heat.
Lewis fined €50,000 for crossing the track (half of it suspended if he keeps his nose clean) and the stewards considered the collision a Racing Incident so no further action.
And evidently 51 lap times were deleted during the race due to exceeding Track Limits.
Lewis fined €50,000 for crossing the track (half of it suspended if he keeps his nose clean) and the stewards considered the collision a Racing Incident so no further action.
And evidently 51 lap times were deleted during the race due to exceeding Track Limits.
He’s a year older than me and I am yet to start my F1 career
It’s never too late, best start building up your core strength buddy 😂
Perhaps with the heat this race was not the best one to increase the mandatory number of pit stops.
Don’t forget Sargeant retired as he felt too unwell to race.
EDIT: read some of the drivers comments and they all say this was the limit for them, they found the limit for racing. Some said it was dangerous, which I would agree with looking at how many and how often they went off track, they all said it was very difficult to concentrate and it was just a constant relentless push, they said down the straights the air was just so hot they found it difficult to breath, a couple of them got out the cockpit and into ambulances for help at the end!
They said it was actually even hotter their earlier this week, to be honest it seems a ridiculous dangerous stupid decision to dictate a mandatory 3 stop race, it just added to the pressure and constant pushing in a race that’s incredibly hot, some drivers said the race should never have happened in October due to the heat.
Perhaps today, the FIA got away with it, they could have ended up with a fair few going off and crashing purely due to heat exhaustion. They chose the hottest race of the year at a track with a short straight and then relentless high speed corners, to then decide they all had to stop 3 times for tyres…
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Yeah I find it very ... stupid...(?) that the title was decided in what I consider to be nothing more than an exhibition.
The sprints are the worst.
For being the pinnacle of motorsport, this was not a great example, I just hope the drivers organization has some power to make changes, there was the on-board of Sargent, when he called his retirement, and he slowed down, a brief yellow, then a couple of cars shot passed, just imagine if he had wandered a couple of meters right, you would need a couple of skips to cart away shards of 2 cars.. James Vowles even stated on air, he needs to think of driver safety, he should have mandated the retirement, not left the call up to the driver, or at worst a medical directive issued by the medical director, car x to retire, unfit to drive... Someone in race control thought yellow flags...
More to the point, was this absurd enforcement of track limits too draconian, extreme humidity, 2 races in 2 days, drivers trying to keep track limits... You know maybe redesign the track, maybe between October 2023 and next year, add a few meters more to the track, give the cars something.. But really they had 2 years to test, run a 2021 car F2 driver test to check, maybe asked the top 3 teams, Merc, Maclaren and Red Bull for test drivers, for a 2 day test say 2 months prior, or during the "summer break" to tyre test...
But the 3 mandatory tyre change, it did not work, it did not add any excitement, more fear of something bad about to happen.. George on softs, he never tried...Maybe pure exhaustion, and at this track, the last we want is another repeat of Grojean...
What about that insanity of Alonso, omg, that should really be a day of rest for him, next race, he sits on the naughty stool.. and thinks about £100 000 he lost as a result of his poor driving..
Qatar GP was not the best example of how to run an event... After the sprint..Who's car was on the flashy podium... Not Piastri.. He won the race, but no no, it was Max.. he did not win the race.. But the photograph shows he did... Why was his car on the podium and not Piastri???? Then the toy trinkets for the Sprint podiums?? Shopping at Walmart for something tat??? Bizarre..
More to the point, was this absurd enforcement of track limits too draconian, extreme humidity, 2 races in 2 days, drivers trying to keep track limits... You know maybe redesign the track, maybe between October 2023 and next year, add a few meters more to the track, give the cars something.. But really they had 2 years to test, run a 2021 car F2 driver test to check, maybe asked the top 3 teams, Merc, Maclaren and Red Bull for test drivers, for a 2 day test say 2 months prior, or during the "summer break" to tyre test...
But the 3 mandatory tyre change, it did not work, it did not add any excitement, more fear of something bad about to happen.. George on softs, he never tried...Maybe pure exhaustion, and at this track, the last we want is another repeat of Grojean...
What about that insanity of Alonso, omg, that should really be a day of rest for him, next race, he sits on the naughty stool.. and thinks about £100 000 he lost as a result of his poor driving..
Qatar GP was not the best example of how to run an event... After the sprint..Who's car was on the flashy podium... Not Piastri.. He won the race, but no no, it was Max.. he did not win the race.. But the photograph shows he did... Why was his car on the podium and not Piastri???? Then the toy trinkets for the Sprint podiums?? Shopping at Walmart for something tat??? Bizarre..
Glad that race weekend is over. I’d not have a problem dropping it to be honest. But given the money that’s not going to happen.
Shame the Mercedes had the accident. Maybe they would have been able to compete if they had stayed at the front. George’s drive from last to fourth was impressive. Clearly Lewis was in the wrong. But I get it. Just a shame he didn’t hit Max instead of George!
How long until the smiles at McLaren are a thing of the past? If they do have a competitive car, both drivers will be trying to establish themselves as number 1. Which of course plays into RB hands where they only have one driver who can win.
What am I saying? We all know Max will win in 2024. Roll on 2025 I say.
Shame the Mercedes had the accident. Maybe they would have been able to compete if they had stayed at the front. George’s drive from last to fourth was impressive. Clearly Lewis was in the wrong. But I get it. Just a shame he didn’t hit Max instead of George!
How long until the smiles at McLaren are a thing of the past? If they do have a competitive car, both drivers will be trying to establish themselves as number 1. Which of course plays into RB hands where they only have one driver who can win.
What am I saying? We all know Max will win in 2024. Roll on 2025 I say.
I think you'll find it's not so much poor driving, but the fact they all found it incredibly difficult to concentrate driving at 200mph and pulling 3 to 4G round corners overtaking, whilst trying to work out when to pit stop 3 times. All whilst being very dehydrated losing kilos in weight through extreme sweat.
With heat exhaustion setting in...
IMO FIA should be punished for this one, but they won't be. The sport can be dangerous enough still, look at the crash and fireball 2 / 3 years ago, then the FIA make it even more so through their own deliberate decisions...
Lewis tends to find his teammate fairly often, has at least 3 on his count, Button, Rosberg, Russell.. Button in Canada, in the rain..2011.. Legend of a race.. The last time I think we had more than 2 pitstops per car, Jenson had what 6 or 7, and still won the race [sorry to spoil the ending..😇]... But then 2011 was red flags, wet n dry tyres, penalties... but no track limits... I think this whole track limit thing, should be £12 500 fines per incident, or if you get too many points on the licence, and if you get the 12, you get a weekend off...But +5 seconds, not working...
Track limits is easy to sort. A bit of grass or gravel the other side of the curb.
You want to trash your tyres and risk a crash exceeding track limits? Be my guest.
No,crashes are not required, the point is, instead of the +5 seconds after the 4th incident, start adding points to the super licence, if they hit 12, they get a free weekend off... Say every 5th track limit is 1 point, if you hit 3 points per event, you are given a 30 second stop n go, and 3 points on your licence.. This will start to provide more adherence to the track limits if you know you may get a weekend off.. All I suggest is changing the penalty not the track..
Couldn’t disagree more. Change the tracks with their ridiculous tarmac run off areas. Nobody gets penalties for exceeding track limits on the older tracks with walls and gravel traps.
We don’t want penalties at all. We want to just have racing. Penalties are a last resort. That’s not want I want from F1 anyhow.
The ignore/block button is your friend.
One of the reasons for the extensive tarmac sections here is for bikes and rich people. This circuits primary event before F1 was MotoGP. For obvious reasons bikes prefer gravel not to run up to the circuit edge. Outside of that, it's a play toy for rich people to flog super cars around. Gravel tends to make them unhappy.
The circuit should just be dropped, frankly. It isn't suitable to F1.
The FIA use the super-licence as a yardstick, to determine who is qualified to drive in the grand prix, if you have enough points, you are qualified, so if you cannot keep it on the island, you are starting to demonstrate you are unqualified, 12 points is a fair number, and if you exceed 15 times in 1 event, you are clearly demonstrating an inability to handle the car, you need training or time off..That is how I view the use of points and track limits...
If not then really what is the point of the super licence point system? You have to almost cause a fatal to get points, or drive at a really awful standard, on the tracks that have walls, you know, that is a hard stop, but on tracks with runoff, having to suffer points on the licence, and maybe a weekend off, might change your thinking.. Anyway it was just a solution, but this +5 seconds at the next pit or +5 seconds on race time, is proving a disaster..
It means that they have to pay more for the super licence the next year, to clear the points.. it was just an idea... This has become a recent innovation, I wonder what would have happened in 2011, Canada had they had track limits then..
If not then really what is the point of the super licence point system? You have to almost cause a fatal to get points, or drive at a really awful standard, on the tracks that have walls, you know, that is a hard stop, but on tracks with runoff, having to suffer points on the licence, and maybe a weekend off, might change your thinking.. Anyway it was just a solution, but this +5 seconds at the next pit or +5 seconds on race time, is proving a disaster..
It means that they have to pay more for the super licence the next year, to clear the points.. it was just an idea... This has become a recent innovation, I wonder what would have happened in 2011, Canada had they had track limits then..
It was unfortunate and the incident was completely Lewis’ fault. Interesting perspective from Bradley Lord regarding pre race discussions though. They were supposed to stay out of each other’s way with Lewis getting the lead position out of the two. Easy to discuss I suppose, but hard to follow when you’ve got cars all around you. George appears to have taken some of the blame in his statements, although it’s time to look forward. George had an impressive drive and that Mercedes clearly was competitive, so a missed opportunity by both in hindsight.
Missed indeed. But I don’t think they would have challenged Max over the course of the race tbh.
So we have 6 more races and nothing else left up for grabs.
I’m sure Lewis cares as much about who finishes second in the WC as I do.
So just the drivers head to heads in each team to go for then.
Agree this track should be dropped from the callander, sadly far too much money involved for that to happen, at least next year it will be held in December so hopefully be cooler for them.
I find the French track the most odd, massive run offs but on painted tarmac.
The Las Vegas street track will be interesting… wonder if we will see any overtaking.
There's still some interesting battles in the WCC. Alfa Romeo passed Haas for 8th this weekend and the battle for 2nd could be interesting. McLaren is still in 5th but should overtake Aston Martin at CoTA. Wonder if they can catch Ferrari and Mercedes?
But I agree that it's only really 1st that matters.
Paul Ricard makes sense when you look at it without F1.
The painted tarmac is high friction paint. Blue is added friction - red is even more. The hundreds of layouts are to enable lots of different testing configurations. The tarmac means if you spin during testing you don't have to pause the day (there isn't marshals or anything to recover you quickly). Also makes it great for people blasting supercars around.
I dislike Paul Ricard. But as a test venue, it's perfect.
Always someone else but never Lewis, eh? 🤣 Nah. That was very much Hamilton-esque. Driving into other people has been a characteristic of his, for his entire career. He expects them to get out of the way, but is surprised when they don't. All part of his arrogance. And now he's being shown up as not actually as good as he believes he is, he's getting frustrated. The toys do get thrown out of the pram a lot with Lewis. But he was told to apologise, and has done so. Sadly, it ruined Russel's chances, although what a drive to get 4th place. It does spice things up between the two though; they'll have to be happy and smiley publicly, but he'll be yet another of Lewis' team mates who isnt in his fan club. See also Alonso, Rosberg and Button. I fully expect Russel to outperform Hamilton next season, and then perhaps Lewis will retire. Will save Mercedes on new parts for the car, anyway.
Piastri was excellent; Norris has been a bit arrogant himself recently, but has been humbled somewhat by his rookie team-mate outperforming him lately. Both very good drivers though, so exciting potential there.
And Max is Max. Superb as always. I'm not actually sure the Red Bull still is the best car right now; Perez is really struggling with it. But Max is the difference. I'd quite like to see what he can do with a Haas or a Williams. I reckon he could quite possibly podium with those cars, he's that good.
I'm not sure what Lewis has done wrong in response this time tbh. His first interview he said that he didn't want to blame anyone until he'd seen a replay. Once he saw the replay he said it was 100% his fault. Is that not what we want?