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2023 Formula 1 Season thread

JustinePaula said:
As far as I remember the only driver disqualified from the overall season result, kept his race wins that season was Micheal Schumacher, I think as a result of 2 really bad moves, crashing into Damon Hill, then crashing into J Villuenuve, to reach the level of what happened then, dire dire, has anyone driving that poorly? One might have said Vettel maybe, Baku 2018, the way he drove into Hamilton in Baku, when Vettel was driving for Ferrari, not once but a multiple of times, and still no season ending time out, or disqualification.. if you watch what Vettel did in that incident, Vettel was clearly road raging.. But not enough to warrant disqualification... Vettel maybe should have been disqualified from the championship at the end of the season for his road rage in Baku, no worse than what Schumacher did.. Worse maybe than Schumacher..
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It was nowhere near as bad as Schumacher in ‘94 and ‘97. Vettel was frustrated because he incorrectly assumed Hamilton had brake checked him, but wasn’t ramming Hamilton in order to put him out of the race. It was just a moment of red mist. Schumacher was just a flawed genius who didn’t care how he won, as long as he did. It’s the reason many place Hamilton above him, and I personally think Lewis is a better champion and ambassador for the sport.
 
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I believe this has only happened once, and it occured after the championship was already decided against the driver who was being banned. In reality, it changed nothing.
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Schumacer in '97 and the season was down to the last race. Unless you're referring to some driver/season.

He should have been banned in '94 at Adelaide as well.
 
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But daddy bought a dead team, it would have been a 9 team, 18 car season... Senior Stroll did right by the sport, pity his son has developed a terrible habit of being a spoiled little brat... Daddy should rather help Drugovich instead, junior stroll should be promoted to head of driver pool for the catering team..
 
Stroll, and his father, don't belong in F1 ...

Lawrence Stroll basically saved what had begun as the Jordan team, Force India, after they went into administration. Buying an existing team licence is a lot easier than applying for a new one. So it's an easier entry into F1. F1 began as a sport for rich playboys, so Lance Stroll is only continuing that tradition really. F1 is hardly an egalitarian sport when it comes to access anyway. Most drivers come from very wealthy families with connections. Lance isn't the worst driver in F1; there have been many much worse. Nick de Vries didn't last long, did he? Nicolas Latifi is gone, as is Nikita Mazepin. Lance still isn't great though, truth be told, and no, he probably wouldn't be in F1 if it weren't for daddy's money. But neither would half the field either.
 
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Lance has had his moments where he's shown that he is a talented driver. He's certainly not as bad as many people seem to think. His biggest problem has always been his consistency, which is something that often sets apart a good driver from a great driver. But this last year in particular his performance has been pretty poor. He was, ironically, his best when he drove with broken hands. Granted, the car was probably the second fastest on the grid back then. Now it's more like the fifth or sixth.
 
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Lance has had his moments where he's shown that he is a talented driver. He's certainly not as bad as many people seem to think. His biggest problem has always been his consistency, which is something that often sets apart a good driver from a great driver. But this last year in particular his performance has been pretty poor. He was, ironically, his best when he drove with broken hands. Granted, the car was probably the second fastest on the grid back then. Now it's more like the fifth or sixth.
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I agree he isn’t that bad. Not good enough for F1 maybe, but okay in a lower level.
Trouble is people are always going to be against him because of his Father's money.
 
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Heard a rumor, race week ahead... US GP, maybe a decent race for 2nd.. Is car 44 in trouble for crossing the track? What about junior from Aston, Stroll.. Will he keep his cool..?
 
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Apple fanboy said:
I agree he isn’t that bad. Not good enough for F1 maybe, but okay in a lower level.
Trouble is people are always going to be against him because of his Father's money.
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Which is a bit unfair, cos historically, most F1 drivers have come from very wealthy families. Stirling Moss, James Hunt, Mike Hailwood, Mike Hawthorn, Graham Hill, Damon Hill, Jackie Stewart, David Coulthard and Jenson Button all enjoyed a lot of wealth and privilege which helped them get into motorsport. And that's just a few British drivers; there's loads of Italian playboys who drove in the early days, wealthy Brazillians, etc. Go down the list of current drivers, and it's hard not to find anyone who hasn't had a pretty privileged start in life. Hamilton's 'ghetto' upbringing is quite laughable, considering his dad had a fairly decent job and chose to work extra, hardly on the breadline. Contrast this with football, where kids from war-torn nations and very impoverished and deprived backgrounds can rise to the top. F1 has no Working Class Heroes. It's an exclusive sport, and most who get to participate have enjoyed exclusivity for much of their lives. Were it to be opened up and the economic barriers removed, it's likely that most of the current F1 grid would disappear and be replaced by inherently better drivers.
 
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Were (F1) to be opened up and the economic barriers removed, it's likely that most of the current F1 grid would disappear and be replaced by inherently better drivers.
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You have to have talent to be in F1 (because of the requirement of a Super License, is nothing else) and that talent does not come cheap because it requires so many years of on-track experience working one's way up the ladder of the various feeder series and each of those "rungs" is effectively a pay series and the drivers need to cover that cost via sponsorship deals or checks.

And while it is true drivers like Latifi, Stroll and Maldanado "earned" their drives by their sponsors or families writing an eight-figure check to the team, even drivers like Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen bring sponsorship deals with them to help offset their salaries.

So F1 is a "rich man's game" by design and nothing is going to change that. If it's not corporations or families writing those checks to advance talent, then it's going to have to be governments (like Maldonado) or some type of major charitable endowment. And, to be honest, I think governments and charitable endowments could better spend those scores of millions of dollars annually on things other than advancing kids up the ladder from carting to F1.
 
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CWallace said:
You have to have talent to be in F1 (because of the requirement of a Super License, is nothing else) and that talent does not come cheap because it requires so many years of on-track experience working one's way up the ladder of the various feeder series and each of those "rungs" is effectively a pay series and the drivers need to cover that cost via sponsorship deals or checks.

And while it is true drivers like Latifi, Stroll and Maldanado "earned" their drives by their sponsors or families writing an eight-figure check to the team, even drivers like Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen bring sponsorship deals with them to help offset their salaries.

So F1 is a "rich man's game" by design and nothing is going to change that. If it's not corporations or families writing those checks to advance talent, then it's going to have to be governments (like Maldonado) or some type of major charitable endowment. And, to be honest, I think governments and charitable endowments could better spend those scores of millions of dollars annually on things other than advancing kids up the ladder from carting to F1.
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Great post. Also worth talking about the history of pay drivers. People act like Stroll is a one of a kind. In reality, there's been so many drivers in his position. Entire teams have been founded just to host a single driver before. Entire teams surviving on one pay drivers income.
 
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I don't think talent and the super licence are compatible, we have had in the last few years way too many unsafe drivers, many are there purely on what they bring financially to the team/formula... For example, should Stroll make way for Drugovich? Maybe Perez for Drugovich? How many other F2 drivers are lost to F1 as a result of F1 becoming a retirement home for old men living out a fantasy? I can understand the lure of the sport, but really, at some point, younger drivers, are added to the grid, not having them get warts on the behind from sitting around doing nothing for 24 weekends... The sprints should be 10 cars, 30 laps, 3rd driver only championships... A kind of F1 internship... Maybe a retirement of say 35 yrs of age, for anyone with less than x number of points, 40 for anyone with a WDC title.. But you have to have finished top 3 in the last 3 yrs prior to your 37th birthday..

This is more for a safety issue, it gives the teams an out that they know that if for poor results a driver is mandated out.. Retirement is not a bad thing... There are other categories, Sports cars, etc...DTM..E Prix...
 
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You have to have talent to be in F1 (because of the requirement of a Super License, is nothing else) and that talent does not come cheap because it requires so many years of on-track experience working one's way up the ladder of the various feeder series and each of those "rungs" is effectively a pay series and the drivers need to cover that cost via sponsorship deals or checks.

And while it is true drivers like Latifi, Stroll and Maldanado "earned" their drives by their sponsors or families writing an eight-figure check to the team, even drivers like Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen bring sponsorship deals with them to help offset their salaries.

So F1 is a "rich man's game" by design and nothing is going to change that. If it's not corporations or families writing those checks to advance talent, then it's going to have to be governments (like Maldonado) or some type of major charitable endowment. And, to be honest, I think governments and charitable endowments could better spend those scores of millions of dollars annually on things other than advancing kids up the ladder from carting to F1.
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One point that this comment misses though is that the pool from which F1 currently finds talent is small enough that it’s probably not very representative of the global talent pool. We can do a little though exercise as an example:

Let’s imagine that there are 1 million living people on Earth that have ever been given a chance to try motor racing in any form. From these, 20 of the best in the age of 20 to 40 end up in F1 at any given time. Assuming an equal distribution of talent, then you’d expect there to be several thousands of potential drivers to be at least as talented as the very best F1 driver, ones that never got a chance. If you increase the pool size to 10 million, then you are still missing hundreds of potential drivers that are better than the best be have today.

This is just a play with statistics. Motorsports is expensive and nobody is expecting it to be a charity. But it’s unfortunate that the barrier is as high as it is. Especially in a sport where there’s little to no reason why men and women cannot compete on equal terms, basically doubling the potential pool of talent competing for the same seat.

Compare this to sports like soccer or athletics, where billions of people take part. You end up with stars from all over the planet and from vastly different backgrounds.
 
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Pay drivers have always existed in F1 as we well know, but money doesn’t guarantee you a place in F1 as you have to be a good enough racing driver to acquire a super licence as stated above. Even the likes of Pedro Diniz, Ukyo Katayama, Nikita Mazepin had to be accomplished racing drivers, even if they were not the best of the rivals they faced in Formula One. Stroll is an ok racing driver, but not good enough to keep his place in the sport on merit. If he was so bad he was dangerous, all his father’s money in the World wouldn’t over rule the FIA’s decision on him keeping his super licence. He’s no Yuji Ide at least.
 
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JustinePaula said:
I don't think talent and the super licence are compatible, we have had in the last few years way too many unsafe drivers, many are there purely on what they bring financially to the team/formula... For example, should Stroll make way for Drugovich? Maybe Perez for Drugovich? How many other F2 drivers are lost to F1 as a result of F1 becoming a retirement home for old men living out a fantasy? I can understand the lure of the sport, but really, at some point, younger drivers, are added to the grid, not having them get warts on the behind from sitting around doing nothing for 24 weekends... The sprints should be 10 cars, 30 laps, 3rd driver only championships... A kind of F1 internship... Maybe a retirement of say 35 yrs of age, for anyone with less than x number of points, 40 for anyone with a WDC title.. But you have to have finished top 3 in the last 3 yrs prior to your 37th birthday..

This is more for a safety issue, it gives the teams an out that they know that if for poor results a driver is mandated out.. Retirement is not a bad thing... There are other categories, Sports cars, etc...DTM..E Prix...
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You can enforce a retirement based on age. It’s illegal in most countries.

As for the sprints, the idea of letting young drivers go out for them would only work for a third car. I can’t see Max being pleased if his race car gets pranged on Saturday.
 
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Apple fanboy said:
As for the sprints, the idea of letting young drivers go out for them would only work for a third car.
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And that won't fly because of the cost-cutting regulations F1 has introduced over the past decade (why we lost the fully-built "T-car" / spare car and now just have a basic tub that needs to be built-up overnight).
 
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headlessmike said:
One point that this comment misses though is that the pool from which F1 currently finds talent is small enough that it’s probably not very representative of the global talent pool. We can do a little though exercise as an example:

Let’s imagine that there are 1 million living people on Earth that have ever been given a chance to try motor racing in any form. From these, 20 of the best in the age of 20 to 40 end up in F1 at any given time. Assuming an equal distribution of talent, then you’d expect there to be several thousands of potential drivers to be at least as talented as the very best F1 driver, ones that never got a chance. If you increase the pool size to 10 million, then you are still missing hundreds of potential drivers that are better than the best be have today.

This is just a play with statistics. Motorsports is expensive and nobody is expecting it to be a charity. But it’s unfortunate that the barrier is as high as it is. Especially in a sport where there’s little to no reason why men and women cannot compete on equal terms, basically doubling the potential pool of talent competing for the same seat.

Compare this to sports like soccer or athletics, where billions of people take part. You end up with stars from all over the planet and from vastly different backgrounds.
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Yes, this was my point. Only better eloquentated.
 
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