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Liberty as promoter would have a ton of insurance, I am sure by the end of the week, claims will be filed, settled, it was an accident, and this is why we have insurance...

If the penalty was a result of something a team principle voted against the lifting of the engine penalty, to say another tea principle should do the same, is tragic, what is clear is that the rules prevented granting the 1 time dispensation, this was negotiated at the last concord agreement, to which all teams signed in agreement..

Was this an oversight? Suggest yes, as drains and cars have been an ongoing issue in every decade and every concord agreement since 1950 has not addressed this issue, that means 1 of 2 things, 1-it is such a rare occurrence, that creating a rule would be cumbersome and pointless, 2- they are aware of it, and it is covered under track insurance, and no discussion is required, just file the paperwork, let the legals and the moneymen deal with the accounting...

What happened was a mistake, handled somewhat unprofessionally, all that needed to have been said, was claims would be covered and cars that require part changes will incur grid penalties, this was a result of the agreeement in the latest valid concord agreement...

The race went off pretty much without much issue, apart from the Lando Norris crash, which it is claimed by team, to be a result of a "bump+cold tyres".. Maybe run the race earlier as suggested by 1 team principle, or run a series of lower formula to rubber up the track..

This was the 1st of 10 planned events, much will be discussed in the next year in the lead up to the event.. One has to look at the calendar for the F2/F3 event, maybe move one or more events so that they have events at Qatar, and Las Vegas, to act as sweepers, as they do for Monaco...
 
It is a great experience, but sadly the experience is somewhat less impressive as it was pre 2014 when you could feel the power of the cars through your gut. I've seen V12's, V10's and V8's in Grand Prix' over the years and the duller sounding V6 Hybrid's although still impressive, are not as loud and I think it takes away from what used to be a thrilling experience.
See, I've always felt the extreme noise was a bad thing; I dread to think how many people who've worked in motor racing have permanent hearing damage. I don't understand why some people like extremely loud noises. It's very unpleasant. You need ear-plugs to be anywhere near the track at a GP. Ask me how I know... Modern hybrid engines are far better for the sport, and I can't wait for when it goes full electric; much faster acceleration will make races more exciting. ICE's are dead.

As for the 'experience' of being at an actual GP; for me, it was dissapointing. To the point where I wouldn't bother again; F1 is far better watching on TV, as you get the whole track, all the angles, all the incidents etc. A football match live is a totally different matter. But motor racing is inherently boring anyway imo. As for Le Mans/24 hour events, what?? My idea of total boredom. Brrrrm.....brrrrrmmm...brrrrmmm... Etc. Yawn. I can watch F1 for free on an illegal stream, so...

As for Las Vegas; the race itself was exciting enough, but that's not down to the venue, let's be honest. Quite glad it was such a disaster for spectators etc; LV is an absolute hell hole, a pit of human depravity and sums up all that is wrong with modern greedy capitalist culture.
 
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See, I've always felt the extreme noise was a bad thing; I dread to think how many people who've worked in motor racing have permanent hearing damage. I don't understand why some people like extremely loud noises. It's very unpleasant. You need ear-plugs to be anywhere near the track at a GP. Ask me how I know... Modern hybrid engines are far better for the sport, and I can't wait for when it goes full electric; much faster acceleration will make races more exciting. ICE's are dead.

As for the 'experience' of being at an actual GP; for me, it was dissapointing. To the point where I wouldn't bother again; F1 is far better watching on TV, as you get the whole track, all the angles, all the incidents etc. A football match live is a totally different matter. But motor racing is inherently boring anyway imo. As for Le Mans/24 hour events, what?? My idea of total boredom. Brrrrm.....brrrrrmmm...brrrrmmm... Etc. Yawn. I can watch F1 for free on an illegal stream, so...

As for Las Vegas; the race itself was exciting enough, but that's not down to the venue, let's be honest. Quite glad it was such a disaster for spectators etc; LV is an absolute hell hole, a pit of human depravity and sums up all that is wrong with modern greedy capitalist culture.
eh

I've been to 4 US Grands Prix, Indy, and it wasn't that loud, imho. They go by so fast you aren't exposed for long.
 
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I've been to 4 US Grands Prix, Indy, and it wasn't that loud, imho. They go by so fast you aren't exposed for long.
Agreed, when in or around the pit lane you definitely want ear defenders. Perhaps if you are close to the track as well, but it doesn't carry far. Besides they hand them out if you haven't got your own.

Now if you want to hear loud, Porsche cup or Touring car is notably much louder than F1 in my experience.
 
eh

I've been to 4 US Grands Prix, Indy, and it wasn't that loud, imho. They go by so fast you aren't exposed for long.
If you have a venue that is wide and open, like COTA, the sound is dissipated rather quickly, however if you have a circuit like Sin City, Monaco, street circuits in major built up areas, Baku, the sound tends to build and build... Many many years ago, my city hosted one of the A1GP events, and it was so loud, could be heard from a long way off, at some point we could not record voice overs, as 2 issues, the actual engines could bleed through, and 2nd the low bass of over 2o cars, generators, came through the floor, editing had to wait until the end of the race..

I am sure that now in 2023, the cars are vastly superior in terms of noise control as they were in the days of A1GP/ the old Senna/Prost/Mansell era..
 
The sound used to be great at Silverstone as you can get very close to the track. By the entrance to Maggots and Becketts you could stand just as the cars were rapidly changing direction and were just a few metres away. My favourite though is at the end of the Hangar Straight as you could watch the cars exiting Chapel and screaming all the way down the straight. The feeling of a V10/V8 at maximum revs then downshifting through the box would reverberate right through your body. Of course you’d wear ear plugs to dull the sound slightly as you’d have a headache by the end of the race and tinnitus is not cool.

Probably the coolest sounding engine I’ve witnessed is the Ferrari F93A which was a V12. Saw that in the first race I ever went to with my Dad. Also watched Schumacher, Prost and Senna fighting for several laps and didn’t appreciate it enough at the time.
 
The four GPs that I went to at Indy we were sat very close to the finish line, the tickets by the way, iirc, were $85 and you got into qualifying for $25. We'd taken ear plugs but took them out once the race got underway. I thought it was pretty impressive that sometimes you could feel the back fire when the cars shifted gears.
 
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The four GPs that I went to at Indy we were sat very close to the finish line, the tickets by the way, iirc, were $85 and you got into qualifying for $25. We'd taken ear plugs but took them out once the race got underway. I thought it was pretty impressive that sometimes you could feel the back fire when the cars shifted gears.

The exhausts splutter a lot more live than people realise when watching on TV, that has always impressed me too.
 
The four GPs that I went to at Indy we were sat very close to the finish line, the tickets by the way, iirc, were $85 and you got into qualifying for $25. We'd taken ear plugs but took them out once the race got underway. I thought it was pretty impressive that sometimes you could feel the back fire when the cars shifted gears.
Cool.
 
The feeling of a V10/V8 at maximum revs then downshifting through the box would reverberate right through your body.
Do you enjoy listening to other types of machinery? Washing machines? Power saws? Pneumatic drills???

Of course you’d wear ear plugs to dull the sound slightly as you’d have a headache by the end of the race and tinnitus is not cool.
Surely you're losing the 'real experience' though, if you wear earplugs?

Personally, I enjoy the fact I still have very good hearing for my age, and can benefit from the subtle improvements when I upgraded my hi-fi system. What a joy to hear music in all its depth and range.
 
Do you enjoy listening to other types of machinery? Washing machines? Power saws? Pneumatic drills???


Surely you're losing the 'real experience' though, if you wear earplugs?

Personally, I enjoy the fact I still have very good hearing for my age, and can benefit from the subtle improvements when I upgraded my hi-fi system. What a joy to hear music in all its depth and range.
No you don’t loose the real experience when wearing earplugs.
 
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To those talking about engine noise and feel. Got to GoodWood Festival Of Speed, they have some VERY LOUD CARS you can stand feet away from, want to stand say 20 feet from a V10 or V8 F1 car shooting off the starting line? Sure go ahead. But worst are the stock cars from America, or the top fuel dragster they had once. Ear splitting, an old McLaren race car too. And in the old layout you stood literally right next to a bit of road the super cars would burn up when going out to the track, I remember that La Ferrari FXX with its titanium exhausts absolutely flooring it, and I can tell you THAT hurt my ears!
Sadly the new cars definitely do not sound as good as the old ones. Some as said can really rumble in your tummy.
 
To those talking about engine noise and feel. Got to GoodWood Festival Of Speed, they have some VERY LOUD CARS you can stand feet away from, want to stand say 20 feet from a V10 or V8 F1 car shooting off the starting line? Sure go ahead. But worst are the stock cars from America, or the top fuel dragster they had once. Ear splitting, an old McLaren race car too. And in the old layout you stood literally right next to a bit of road the super cars would burn up when going out to the track, I remember that La Ferrari FXX with its titanium exhausts absolutely flooring it, and I can tell you THAT hurt my ears!
Sadly the new cars definitely do not sound as good as the old ones. Some as said can really rumble in your tummy.
I remember standing in a small spectator area opposite Bridge corner (old layout) at Silverstone during qualifying for the 2009 race and I didn't wear earplugs for that session. The noise echoing off the inner wall actually amplified the sound and I think that is the loudest I have experienced from an F1 car. I certainly made sure I had them in for the race, although my favourite place to be is at Stowe as you get to see the entire section from there.
 
To those talking about engine noise and feel. Got to GoodWood Festival Of Speed, they have some VERY LOUD CARS you can stand feet away from, want to stand say 20 feet from a V10 or V8 F1 car shooting off the starting line? Sure go ahead. But worst are the stock cars from America, or the top fuel dragster they had once. Ear splitting, an old McLaren race car too. And in the old layout you stood literally right next to a bit of road the super cars would burn up when going out to the track, I remember that La Ferrari FXX with its titanium exhausts absolutely flooring it, and I can tell you THAT hurt my ears!
Sadly the new cars definitely do not sound as good as the old ones. Some as said can really rumble in your tummy.
Went to the Festival of Speed a few years ago, Kimi Raikkonen demoed a V8 Ferrari. I was sitting in the grandstand opposite the house, and that car was the loudest thing I have ever heard. I can't imagine what it was like with 20+ cars lined up in the starting grid, back in the day.
 
Yes and it ended up being a decent race that even Max said he enjoyed as he was actually challenged for once. Ditch the glitz and glamour but keep the track on the calendar!

Alas, the whole point of Vegas was the "glitz and glamour". If the "Vegas Experiment" proves successful, it will surely be replicated as it will make even more money for everyone involved in Formula One.
 
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Alas, the whole point of Vegas was the "glitz and glamour". If the "Vegas Experiment" proves successful, it will surely be replicated as it will make even more money for everyone involved in Formula One.
Sadly you’re probably right.. yeah we really need opening ceremony’s for every race……
 
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Alas, the whole point of Vegas was the "glitz and glamour". If the "Vegas Experiment" proves successful, it will surely be replicated as it will make even more money for everyone involved in Formula One.

I hope it isn’t deemed successful, it came across as naff and completely over the top. It’s supposed to be a serious development sport and the sooner it’s American owners sell it on the better as far as I am concerned.
 
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Looking at the 2023 Indycar Series, including a whole month of May, Indy500, the whole season is March to September, done.. 17 events, done..so basically the next 6 months, teams have a rest, drivers can do other things, in a way this seems way more logical... I know what Liberty are trying to do, but at what cost? Almost 1/3 of a season longer and Indycar, F1 seems maybe too long a season.. 18 max number of events, and tracks alternate, Say Sin City with COTA?

I was surprised that there was no support races in Sin City, No F2, no Indycar, no Porsche SuperCup, in Vegas.. It just seemed so wrong, the whole event, just seemed, something, cannot quite distill, but it was just a non event, from that to Abu Dhabi, and the end of the season for F2..what?? After what must have felt 6 months.. Did someone switch Mary Jane's finest herb for mint in the FIA stash?? How did F2 get a season between events??? Something inside F1/FIA et al is wrong..
 
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I hope it isn’t deemed successful, it came across as naff and completely over the top. It’s supposed to be a serious development sport and the sooner it’s American owners sell it on the better as far as I am concerned.
Yes new owners would suit me as well. Trouble is we know where they are likely to come from. Out of the frying pan into the fire!
 
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