I like how Lewis is being blamed for a sideshow, rather than Liberty Media, FOM and Netflix. LM, FOM and Netflix manufacturer drama. But Lewis wears a silver jacket and he's the problem.
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2023 Formula 1 Season thread
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It is like cricket, you have those that enjoy the Test/5 day game, and those that prefer the "100".. Lewis's League would attract viewers that are not interested in F1, that would not be a bad thing, F1 would change/not chage as a result. There was talk a few years ago if a breakaway league, but this was defeated...
I see no problem with a 2nd alternate, we already have an alternate, E-Prix, which here is so badly marketed I have no idea when it was broadcast, it was, but the broadcaster here makes no effort to alert to it's broadcast..
Sad that this happens..
I see no problem with a 2nd alternate, we already have an alternate, E-Prix, which here is so badly marketed I have no idea when it was broadcast, it was, but the broadcaster here makes no effort to alert to it's broadcast..
Sad that this happens..
It's not just Lewis of course, but he does love the limelight far more than any F1 driver ever. I can't think of another driver who has ever had so many self-promoting business interests as Hamilton. Amongst a plethora of business investments, there's multiple properties, some vegan food stuff, and a non-alchoholic 'tequila' drink (that sounds absolutely revolting). Then there's his 'fashion' brand exploits. And he's involved in film and music projects. All rather egotistical. Totally up to him of course, but it's got naff all to do with F1, let's face it. He loves the attention he gets in F1, but it's a distraction from the actual racing, and leads to (particularly the British) media focussing instead on all that superfluous nonsense instead of the sport. All this cult of celebrity BS that ruins everything.
Everyone is free to make their own decisions as to whom they decide to follow. If it’s an F1 driver’s side project, why not. Good for them to have fortune. I chose to disregard things outside of the race weekend, but we all decide what we want to focus on.
Problem is, Hamilton's antics impact on the sport itself. Remember all that nonsense over his piercing? Just abide by the rules, it's not difficult. But oh no; he had to make it all about poor little Lewis being unfairly victimised.
And then there was his utterly childish tantrum thrown when the 2021 Abu Dhabi race didn't go his way. Making a big fuss about flouncing off social media, like a 12 year old might. Pathetic. 🤣By contrast, we never really get to hear about other driver's side hustles. Not that I want to, but it just shows how much the Anglocentric media have made it into the Lewis Hamilton Show. Just leave it outside.
Truth is he's not the best racer on the grid right now, so has to look for other ways to stay relevant. He should retire, and concentrate on other projects. Leave the rest of us to enjoy the racing.
Do you mean Formula E? It’s on TV here. I’ve watched a few races, but I don’t really have time to follow and watch more than one formula.
I think Lewis is fine where he is. Just needs a competitive car.
I literally made an app for people trying to find when motorsports are on.
I’ve watched a couple of races too, doesn’t really appeal to me to be honest. Formula 3 is more impressive and the day F1 goes all electric, is the day I stop following entirely. No big deal, it’s coming eventually.
We are lucky to still have a driver of his calibre on the grid, and Alonso. As soon as a successful driver has an uncompetitive car, rival commenters like to stick the boot in but what goes around, comes around. No driver is in a championship winning car forever and someone is in for a sharp shock in the next few years. If Red Bulls 2026 engine is uncompetitive and you’ve got the likes of Charles, Lando etc winning in a better package, I hope this less than magnanimous behaviour we see all over the internet now is remembered. Then again, it might be the Spain effect all over again when Alonso appeared at the top and had a huge influx of support. That faded again once he was less likely to win and I wouldn’t be surprised if history repeats.
Indeed. Just because you have a bad car doesn't make you a bad driver. The fact that Lewis has been able to do it consistently for so long shows his form. Yes Max is a good driver as well. But as we have said, several other drivers would be WC if they had his car and the 100% support of the team. Even Lewis has to fight with his teammate. Max would never stand for that. He doesn't do team orders (a bit like Vettel back in the day!)
I find that an odd statement. Especially so considering you've previously acknowledged how F1 is a development ground for technologies which ultimately end up in everyday vehicles. You do drive an EV yourself, well your wife, and it is where the industry is heading. To me, it is just a logical extension that the top of motorsports heads in that direction as well.
Max finds himself in a position Michael Schumacher used to demand and get with Ferrari. It works and takes one more competitor off your list, but I’d rather see drivers fighting their teammates and the rest of the grid if I were to have a preference.
Absolutely. Imagine when Mercedes were dominant they hadn’t let their drivers race. Would have been terrible.
Could have had two competing drivers at RBR this year and still had a 1-2 in the WC (not with Perez). Instead we just got a precession and had to watch the rest race for podiums.
There were no team orders at Red Bull, they were free to race. Checo Perez is just not in that league. All other drivers have a contract. It is a nice statement to make, but in reality, which driver is free to join the team? They tried Lewis, even though he denies it.
There were no team orders at Red Bull, they were free to race. Checo Perez is just not in that league. All other drivers have a contract. It is a nice statement to make, but in reality, which driver is free to join the team? They tried Lewis, even though he denies it.
I think that's what he meant by not Perez. If there was a driver capable of competing against Max it would have been an entertaining season but having a B driver in the car made the season uninteresting.
Sadly 2024 is going to be more of the same.
Sure, hence I wrote what I wrote. Nice in theory but who should get that seat then? Who was free?
There was plenty of excitement besides first place. We were on the edge of seats in the last few races.
I’m afraid you are right about 2024. I suspect another borefest in terms of race wins and the title.
I was asking a question.. As for legal, pretty sure the FIA/Liberty run a 100% clean operation..
There has been attempts at team orders in RBR, but Max ignores them. So now they don't bother.There were no team orders at Red Bull, they were free to race. Checo Perez is just not in that league. All other drivers have a contract. It is a nice statement to make, but in reality, which driver is free to join the team? They tried Lewis, even though he denies it.
RBR has never been one to allow the drivers to race. Historically they've always told their drivers what to do, and they're very very bad at policing it. See Max v Danny, Seb v Webber.
Yes; the need to move from fossil fuel burning motors is literally vital, yet there are still people who will harp on about the 'experience' of F1 being ruined. Pft. Electric motors will improve F1, as they have normal cars. Faster acceleration for one, plus much less noise so better for the hearing health of all who work in the sport. ICEs are redundant, last century technology. F1 is meant to be all about state of the art engineering.
I think Lewis tried to see if a seat was available at RB, is more likely.There were no team orders at Red Bull, they were free to race. Checo Perez is just not in that league. All other drivers have a contract. It is a nice statement to make, but in reality, which driver is free to join the team? They tried Lewis, even though he denies it.
RB wouldn't want two tp level drivers to have to manage; it doesn't suit their ethos. Teams have often done better with one dominant driver. Perez just hasnt' been on it this season, is all.Thing is, who would be capable of even getting close to Max? The reality is that the RB is such an exact tool, that only someone like Max could get the most out of it. This is partly why Checo has struggled so much this season. Hamilton would struggle just as much, possibly more, as he isn't as adaptable to a car if it doesn't suit him 100%. Alonso might be good, he can get the most out of a car, but few drivers would be capable of driving that RB to its limit.
I think this is a reference to last year, at Austin if I recall correctly. This year Max tried (although I think he was playing up for the radio, but have no evidence for that) to help Checo but he just can't keep up. Team orders would be entirely pointless, risky and a loose-loose for everyone.
Can you point to where there were team orders this year and where they were ignored?
Absolutely. LOL I just did the calculation for my wife's car a 476Hp EV which costs in fuel £364 per annum for 17K miles. Against my 510Hp ICE which costs in fuel £8.5K per annum for the same mileage. And some EVs can sound awesome as well. I'm all up for it.