I’m a year younger than Fernando almost to the day, and fit for my age. The only problem is I am a rubbish driver
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I’m a year younger than Fernando almost to the day, and fit for my age. The only problem is I am a rubbish driver
Oh come on. You must be better than Perez, Stroll and Sargent. My gran is and she’s been dead more than 20 years.I’m a year younger than Fernando almost to the day, and fit for my age. The only problem is I am a rubbish driver
Formula One is rather unique amongst open-wheel motorsport in that it tries very hard to not be a "spec" series. While all ten constructors build to the same set of regulations and there is limited sharing of components from the "factory" teams to the "customer" teams, each of those constructors must produce a generally unique design.
The only way to have true "parity" in Formula One would be to only offer one or two chassis and engine options (like with IndyCar or F2), as that would place almost complete emphasis on the talent of the driver and the engineers who handle the setup.
But that would totally invalidate what F1 has stood for since its inception (both in the modern era since 1950 and before).
They are too old to race in competitive F1, they are there for their own brand promotion. As you age, you start to build a risk tolerance, this is the should I risk it or not, Max is still very young, has a very low risk tolerance, that is, he will try a bit more than say Lewis, Fernando, or Bottas would...Younger new drivers would take the risk, go for a closing gap, far more readily than Lewis would, it is pure instinct.. We are being robbed of great on track action because of bunch of pensioners refuse to go into DTM/Le Mans/E Prix, become Principles...I would like to see on track action, like we had that magical year, Lewis v Rosberg, when they went for it..
Who knows what would happen if it was Drugovich v Verstappen v Pouchaire for the title.. 3 young drivers, 2 noobs and 1 older wiser.. Man that just seems right, Lewis v Max, you know the old man is going to whine and whinge the whole race... Mostly out of a longing for the good ol days, "back in my day.."
Lewis could be world crochet champion, he loves fashion, make crochet sexy...
Who knows what would happen if it was Drugovich v Verstappen v Pouchaire for the title.. 3 young drivers, 2 noobs and 1 older wiser.. Man that just seems right, Lewis v Max, you know the old man is going to whine and whinge the whole race... Mostly out of a longing for the good ol days, "back in my day.."
Lewis could be world crochet champion, he loves fashion, make crochet sexy...
I made the same point a few days ago. Another poster suggested a fully regulated series was the only way to make the racing exciting but in order to do that, there would need to be standard setups and components so every driver is using the same machinery. That is not Formula One though. It is an R&D series where the best engineers go against each other to develop the best cars within the envelope of the regulations. Nobody wants a European version of the IndyCar series, and manufacturers would soon pull out of F1 as it would no longer be worthwhile to their consumer business. A lot of people don't realise but even the smaller independent teams are selling their ideas to car manufacturers and profiting.
A lot of fans don't look beyond the drivers too. Sure these great talents get all the praise and are the faces that win, but the real winners are the super intelligent people that design and build these superb pieces of machinery. F1 always has and always will be the pinnacle of motorsport in terms of technology, even if the on-track element is severely lacking at the moment.
This is all rinse and repeat for me. I have already debunked your claims on older drivers with previous posts but you are not here to discuss in any depth by the looks of things. I respect your opinion, but I am of the opinion you are very wrong on this and I have nothing further to add.
I see the bigger picture, of what F1 should be, that is young men/women competing for a title, in cars that are driven by the driver, that are devoid of "aids" that are delivered to the track, ready to race, that do not require the nerds of world united by a shared fibre link.. You have a team of mechanics, that swap tyres, fix damaged cars, but the car set up is done at base, via the sim driver, as a team... None of this 20 000 brake bias changes per lap, for 50+ laps..
Pensioners have no place in F1, as you age, your tolerance of risk increases to such a level, you are unfit, experience is part of this, you start to understand in greater clarity, and you cannot help this, Nico Rosberg summed this up as his reason for his sudden retirement, he felt that it was too dangerous..
Lewis/Fernando/Bottas etc maybe accept that they are "past their prime" but ego drives them, to stay.. It does not help the brand when you hear Lewis/Fernando moan/whine/whinge.. A mute point as they are still around for 2024, I did see some report that Lewis is feeling that 2024 is a bit of a lost season already.. Given the lack of reg changes.. Older drivers are less likely to enter into a sus overtake than say a young 19/20 yr old rookie.. We all drive very differently in late teens from how we drive as we hit 30-35.. Part of the aging process that plagues humans.. Damn this mortal coil...
Pensioners have no place in F1, as you age, your tolerance of risk increases to such a level, you are unfit, experience is part of this, you start to understand in greater clarity, and you cannot help this, Nico Rosberg summed this up as his reason for his sudden retirement, he felt that it was too dangerous..
Lewis/Fernando/Bottas etc maybe accept that they are "past their prime" but ego drives them, to stay.. It does not help the brand when you hear Lewis/Fernando moan/whine/whinge.. A mute point as they are still around for 2024, I did see some report that Lewis is feeling that 2024 is a bit of a lost season already.. Given the lack of reg changes.. Older drivers are less likely to enter into a sus overtake than say a young 19/20 yr old rookie.. We all drive very differently in late teens from how we drive as we hit 30-35.. Part of the aging process that plagues humans.. Damn this mortal coil...
Perhaps we should get rid of all the older engineers and give the young talent a chance as well? They are competing too and there is a bigger emphasis on them than the drivers in terms of importance. What do those dinosaurs know after all? Anyway, enough of this tripe, plenty of immature racing and silly risks being taken in Formula 3. Given that a try.
Well Toto clearly forgot in Adu Dhabi what happened in Baku in 2021, "no mikey..no..." The sprint season for the dinosaurs, and the F1 full weekend for no one older than 40, drivers/mechanics/catering/physio's... After all what was the sprint for? Old folks cannot handle a full race, so we will find a shorter version, attention spans measured in seconds.. After all F1/FIA is run by pensioners or children, but not anyone 19 to 39..[Being a bit silly..F1 is a joke, sorry, but I am so disappointed in the quality of the handling of F1 events..just so unprofessional and open to a bit of jest..]
I saw a classic point of view from Martin Brundle regarding the booing Verstappen received in Abu Dhabi. He seemed to suggest he thought it was partly because Max had criticised the Las Vegas event, and went on to say he admires Max for his 'honesty and straightforwardness, what you see is what you get' sort of mentality, but he feels Max needs to be a bit more 'diplomatic and balanced' in his views.
I fully agreed with Max on his views on Las Vegas and it was refreshing to see a driver, especially at his level not towing the corporate line. Brundle's hypocrisy just reminds me why I am so glad he is not on the mainstream British coverage anymore. He effectively wants Max to be more biased to his point of view and more importantly 'on brand', something he is clearly a slave to himself as he steers clear himself of criticising the Formula One brand.
I don't think it was Max the driver who was booed in Abu Dhabi, I think it was the result that was being booed. Fans were just a bit fed up with the predictability of the result. Max has done everything he needed to do this year and has been fortunate to have a team who have also done the best job in facilitating his impressive personal achievements. Very few fans want to see the total dominace we saw this year from a competitive racing perspective, but it was the perfect display by a team and every team on the grid wants to be in that position.
I fully agreed with Max on his views on Las Vegas and it was refreshing to see a driver, especially at his level not towing the corporate line. Brundle's hypocrisy just reminds me why I am so glad he is not on the mainstream British coverage anymore. He effectively wants Max to be more biased to his point of view and more importantly 'on brand', something he is clearly a slave to himself as he steers clear himself of criticising the Formula One brand.
I don't think it was Max the driver who was booed in Abu Dhabi, I think it was the result that was being booed. Fans were just a bit fed up with the predictability of the result. Max has done everything he needed to do this year and has been fortunate to have a team who have also done the best job in facilitating his impressive personal achievements. Very few fans want to see the total dominace we saw this year from a competitive racing perspective, but it was the perfect display by a team and every team on the grid wants to be in that position.
I was going to make a sarcastic comment about Adrian Newey cause what the hell does he know right at 64?
But to be honest I think you've lost your marbles now! And you've made one of THE most AGEIST comments I've ever read on the internet, I'm surprised you haven't called them all boomers and blamed them for the end of humanity!
Just curious. Are you ageist in all areas of life or just F1.
We have clearly been watching a different sport.
Absolutely. Adrian Newey needs to go. What does he know anyway? 😀
I'm Adrain's age and I lust at still retaining the cognitive function he has.
I identify way younger than all of you 😇😎, but I respect my elders.
Seriously though, whilst I identify as young enough to respect my elders, but at the same time am old enough to value experience, and recognize new ideas as not being so new but discarded previously for valid reasons.
I'll never understand ageism.
Seriously though, whilst I identify as young enough to respect my elders, but at the same time am old enough to value experience, and recognize new ideas as not being so new but discarded previously for valid reasons.
I'll never understand ageism.
I'm in the middle more or less, and the older you get to me it seems the more younger people, who are sensible, respect elder ones and their experience. Because the more you've learnt. It's all life experience at the end of the day.
But when it comes to racing, I was just thinking of the age of some of the Le Mans 24hr drivers are, they seem to manage just fine driving cars, not now, that used to be faster then F1 cars even todays and handle more extremely for 24 hours on and off.
I met Lorina McLaughlin last summer at the Zandvoort F1 classics, she races currently Michael Schumacher's old Benetton. Amazing woman, and I'm lucky if I make it as old as she is! 
That is fundamentally the opposite of what Formula One stands for.
Formula One is called (and considered) the "pinnacle of motorsport" because of all the technology and engineering that goes into designing, constructing and campaigning the 20 cars that take the grid every year.
If he said that, IMO he was being disingenuous. Formula One is probably the safest form of motorsport out there. No matter how devastating the crash looks, I have never once feared for the driver's health, much less their life, and in almost every case, the was justified because the driver walked away without injury. We have not had an on-track fatality in F1 since Jules Bianchi in 2015 and his death was the first since Roland Ratzenberger and Ayrton Senna at Imola in 1994.
I believe "young" drivers take more serious risks not because they feel they are "immortal", but because they feel they need to grab the attention of team principals and sponsors to allow them to continue to stay in the sport. Also, older (and more experienced) drivers don't take as many "reckless" risks because they have learned the folly of doing so over their years in the sport.
Sprints were created for the benefit of the viewers, not the drivers.
And yet is that 19-39 age group of viewers (read consumers) that F1 in it's current form is designed around. It is the most sought-after advertising demographic and it is the one you need to cater to in order to keep that sweet, sweet sponsorship money (at every level) pouring in.
This thread is becoming unreadable due to the amount of trolls. Can we stop feeding them?
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Oh they've been ignored for ages. Unfortunately most of this thread is now replying to them.
Since the F1 has finished for the year, why don't we expand our horizons a little? Asian Le Mans Series, 24H Series and Intercontinental GT challenge all have big events in the next 2 weeks. AsLMS will decide entries for the 2024 Le Mans 24 hours from the LMP2 and GT3 classes.
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Well, that was an interesting season. If one expected Red Bull to fall apart under pressure, it didn't happen.
So, that could be seen as "boring". Or exciting, if you're a Red Bull / Verstappen fan.
Of course, it would have been much more interesting if Checko had been able to fight for wins and not struggle as he did.
Mercedes has to settle for P2 in the Constructor's race and Lewis for P3 in the Driver's championship. How the mighty have fallen. Nothing more to say.
Poor Ferrari. Carlos Saintz seems to have no luck. That incident in Las Vegas is just one of many things that didn't go his way this year. And LeCerc is always "just one step away from the top of the podium"....well he did make it once this season. High point for the team.
If you're a long suffering McLaren fan (hand raised) you had to be somewhat encouraged by the late season form they displayed. Norris and Piastri do seem to be pretty well-matched...with Lando giving several "drives of the day" this season. And Piastri's win in the sprint race was fun to watch.
Can't wait until 2024 is here!
So, that could be seen as "boring". Or exciting, if you're a Red Bull / Verstappen fan.
Of course, it would have been much more interesting if Checko had been able to fight for wins and not struggle as he did.
Mercedes has to settle for P2 in the Constructor's race and Lewis for P3 in the Driver's championship. How the mighty have fallen. Nothing more to say.
Poor Ferrari. Carlos Saintz seems to have no luck. That incident in Las Vegas is just one of many things that didn't go his way this year. And LeCerc is always "just one step away from the top of the podium"....well he did make it once this season. High point for the team.
If you're a long suffering McLaren fan (hand raised) you had to be somewhat encouraged by the late season form they displayed. Norris and Piastri do seem to be pretty well-matched...with Lando giving several "drives of the day" this season. And Piastri's win in the sprint race was fun to watch.
Can't wait until 2024 is here!
McLaren fan here too. Yes they have two great young drivers. The car definitely improved in the second half of the season.
Will they close the gap to RBR in 2024? Not enough I’m sure.
I’d have to put my hand up too as a McLaren fan based on how many years of my life I have supported their drivers. Senna, Hakkinen, Coulthard, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Alonso, Norris etc have all been drivers I’ve cheered for. It would be good to see them come back challenging for actual wins next season. Just not so keen on Zak Brown, but things can change. We are so lucky to have so many successful F1 teams in such a small area too, seven teams all within 70 miles of each other.
May do that but the replies look funny then, I think you’ve got me on ignore due to my comments in Max and Lewis and Mercedes over the years?
As for McLaren they always have a place in my heart due to Senna. I would love to see Lando win a season, British driver for a British team for once, haven’t had that in a long long time.