No details yet. Both the Mac Pro and Mac Studio use the same chip. However, no idea if both run at the same clock speed.
But I bet even there is any difference, should be very negligible.
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But I bet even there is any difference, should be very negligible.
At the risk of being pedantic they are PCIe or PCI-e slots, not PCI-E slots. To my knowledge there is no such thing as PCI-E slots.
ill hold judgment but if I was a betting man I would bet apple throttles chips based on design. Once benches come out we will see but I wouldnt be surprised to see the macpro do 10% or better then the studio
Why do you think this? Does the M1 Mac Studio Pro perform 10% better than the M1 Studio MacBook Pro (setting aside any thermal issues which the Mac Studio doesn't appear to have)?
I'm actually curious about Linux with the new MP. They've been working on porting to AS for a year or two, and one of the hurdles was reverse engineering drivers for the Apple GPU. I'm curious if you could instead just drop in a dGPU and forgo the Apple GPU with that Linux build.
Other than that, it is kindofa "what are they smoking at Apple HQ?" moment. If the price was closer to the Studio, or it was something crazy like dual M2 Ultras, then sure, but right now the appeal is pretty meh. I wonder if PCIe to NVME adapter cards will work fine? If so, this would at least solve the storage dilemma. Just start maxing it out with storage. Still, it's expensive for what it is. I hope they plan to grow this with their own upgrade cards, go dual M2, something, to help it stand out. Something seems off, it appears to have a beast of a PSU, and it does indeed offer up to 300W of extra power though 2x 6pin and 1 8pin. What exactly do you put in it?
Other than that, it is kindofa "what are they smoking at Apple HQ?" moment. If the price was closer to the Studio, or it was something crazy like dual M2 Ultras, then sure, but right now the appeal is pretty meh. I wonder if PCIe to NVME adapter cards will work fine? If so, this would at least solve the storage dilemma. Just start maxing it out with storage. Still, it's expensive for what it is. I hope they plan to grow this with their own upgrade cards, go dual M2, something, to help it stand out. Something seems off, it appears to have a beast of a PSU, and it does indeed offer up to 300W of extra power though 2x 6pin and 1 8pin. What exactly do you put in it?
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The 2019 Mac Pro is the last Mac Pro, get that one while you still can for a reduced price.
Look at the 'tiny' heatsink of the new Mac Pro. I'll bet Apple is not going to overclock the M2 Ultra.
Primary use of Linux is for a dual boot Mac Pro. You're far better off buying a PC to use Linux (if only Linux).
The first hurdle will be for Asashi Linux to support 3rd party dGPUs in the PCIe slots.
The second hurdle will be for, likely, another group of geeks to study that codes and port the driver(s) to MacOS.
The third hurdle will be for Apple being kind and not to block the driver(s)
The last hurdle will be for big popular application suites to support/make use of available dGPUs in Apple Silicon machines.
You can count the odd but I'll ever say never.
The first Mac instantly going from new release to abandonware on the same day. Very impressive Tim Apple!
having an internal RAID is an attractive proposition as opposed to an external TB4 RAID, but honestly it would be for localised workflows as most places would take advantage of central high speed storage over ethernet…
It’s just hard to make a case for the Mac Pro that justifies the $3000 price difference I feel… if they had kept the start price as 6000 then I think most people would have worn that…
It really feels like Apple had a tonne of empty Mac Pro cases laying around and they were like, we gotta get rid of them somehow!
It's definitely a stop gap product to complete the transition and Apple probably know that most people will go for the Studio over this or wait for M3.
In terms of upgradability, I think the writing was on the wall the second they explained how M1 works. A SoC is fundamentally the opposite approach to an upgradable workstation. I hope those rumours of 'compute modules' for future Mac Pros turn out to be true though as that would allow users to grow their machines over time (and it feels in-line with the MPX module strategy).
In terms of upgradability, I think the writing was on the wall the second they explained how M1 works. A SoC is fundamentally the opposite approach to an upgradable workstation. I hope those rumours of 'compute modules' for future Mac Pros turn out to be true though as that would allow users to grow their machines over time (and it feels in-line with the MPX module strategy).
How realistic is it for Apple to start making dual processor computers? I've seen musings that the SoC is too fast for this to work and that it will immediately introduce a bottleneck, but why is this? Why can't Apple figure out some proprietary way to chain M-series processors together?
Back in the Pentium III and G4 days this worked fine, the issue came down to software needing to utilize both processors at once which for the most part did not happen. It would certainly increase the value of the Mac Pro if you could buy a dual processor Ultra or even a quad. That would be plenty enough to justify the product, in my opinion.
Back in the Pentium III and G4 days this worked fine, the issue came down to software needing to utilize both processors at once which for the most part did not happen. It would certainly increase the value of the Mac Pro if you could buy a dual processor Ultra or even a quad. That would be plenty enough to justify the product, in my opinion.
I was kind of bummed that the new Mac Pro is so lackluster. Now I won't be seeing any good deals on the 2019 since not that many people will be interested in "upgrading".
it really doesnt feel like an upgrade, which is insane. But I'm still considering switching to a mac studio m2.
That would definitely justify the Mac Pro over the Studio if it was able to do this. However I don't believe this new one can be upgraded in this manner (aside from a full logic board swap).
That or they just wanted to cut cost where they can. Mac Pro users could care less about aesthetics so long as they get PCIe slots.
I do wonder what if Apple continued with the pre-2013 tower design until 2019 with the Mac Pro and started the Mac Studio Xeon ES in 2013 instead of 2021.
Odds are Mac Studio will sell more for a decade.
I need to see real world benchmarks first. And since the passing of Rob over at Barefeats, the chances of a honest review are going to be few and far between. Hopefully Anthony at LTT does one.
Yes because Apple is really struggling financially LOL
I don't care about aesthetics but now it's a case where 75% of the space is just empty... It just looks lazy
Yeah I think this would have gone over better if they shaved vertical space and had 2 16x PCI and maybe 1 8x and 1 4x slot; 4 total. And only the 16 slots were double wide. And the base price should only be $1000 over the same spec Studio.
Before the iPhone and iPod Apple was struggling.
Spending anything more on the Mac Pro would turn it into a loss leader when the MSRP is left unchanged.
The 2023 case being that empty is an indicator of how astounding Apple tech R&D spend is.
Imagine all the electronics that used to require that much space via 2019 Intel's 14nm and other tech was miniaturized to to the internal length and width of a Mac mini?
To top it off it would outperform a 2023 Intel-based equivalent Bill of Materials.
It. Just. Blows. Your. Mind.
All the people saying some of us do not need lots of RAM probably never use Adobe After Effects. It eats RAM like nobody's business, not because of sloppy code (although that is some of it), but mostly because it likes to use RAM for previews, and the more you have the better.
And some things just are not possible to do in AE without massive amounts of RAM, mainly designing for LED displays that are massive pixel densities. When I went from 32GB to 240GB it was like night and day difference.
And some things just are not possible to do in AE without massive amounts of RAM, mainly designing for LED displays that are massive pixel densities. When I went from 32GB to 240GB it was like night and day difference.
I was also thinking today that it’s a shame we don’t have rob morgan anymore..