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Glideslope

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FIA cashing some checks today...

  1. Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team fined €5,000 for an "unsafe release" of Lewis from his garage during qualifying.
  2. Yuki Tsunoda fined €40,000 (with €20,000 suspended) for a breach of the International Sporting Code when he called Zhou Guanyu a "retard" for blocking him while queuing to leave pit row during Qualifying.
  3. McLaren forfeits their €2,000 deposit when their protest that Oscar Piastri had not exceeded track limits was rejected because their paperwork was not in order and they complained to the wrong officer.

1. The Unsafe Release was very odd. I'd like to know why happened with that one. I was shocked to see that jack under the rears.

2. Yuki knows better.

3. Time for another Tattoo Zak. ;)
 

CWallace

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Aug 17, 2007
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Max and Lando take each other out of contention with 4 to go. George in the lead with Piastri and Sainz closing fast. And now Virtual Safety car.
 
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CWallace

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Well that was a dull race until the final round of pit stops where Max had a slow left rear which dropped his lead from 7 seconds to 2 and allowed Norris to close and then battle it out till the crash (which was Max's fault per the stewards).

Russell, Piastri, Sainz on the podium. Lewis 4th. Max 5th. Hulk 6th. Perez 7th. K-Mag 8th. Danny 9th. Gasley 10th.

LeClerc thought he was in Magny-Cours and went for the four-stop, but it almost worked, going from 20th to 11th. I think Alonso did the same and did set the fastest lap at the end. Norris the only DNF.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Looked like a racing incident, Max not paying attention to his mirrors twice. Nice to see Russell get his second Grand Prix victory off the back of it, you’ve got to be in a position to pounce and he was.

Cool to see Lando get DOTD too, he’s really maturing as a driver and impressive to watch I must say.
 

Glideslope

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Looked like a racing incident, Max not paying attention to his mirrors twice. Nice to see Russell get his second Grand Prix victory off the back of it, you’ve got to be in a position to pounce and he was.

Cool to see Lando get DOTD too, he’s really maturing as a driver and impressive to watch I must say.

Agreed. Nice to see George with a P1. 👍
 
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cyb3rdud3

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Well that was interesting. George got lucky, very lucky. Just shows to just keep going.

Max and Lando was funny. Max was clearly in the wrong at the end of it, but Lando needs to learn and grow up quickly. That McLaren is amazing. Their tyre strategy was good. Lando is just to impatient, and too focussed on beating Max that he forgets to drive smart. Ok earlier track violations didn’t help, but that is also part of it.

Great to see McLaren doing well. But what on earth is going on with Aston Martin. They don’t seem to be making any progress.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Max definitely not getting the invitation to Lando's next House Boat Party in Amsterdam. ;)

Yeah the bromance is over between those two, me thinks. ;)
Me thinks Penelope will tell them to hold hands, kiss and make up :p

Failing that, Martin Garrix will step in and sort them out.

They'll be friends again, Max got a penalty, Lando also got a penalty and still got classified for enough laps so no bother at Silverstone. Could be an interesting weekend next week.
 
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Pezimak

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Haven’t seen the race, just watched the incidents between Lando and Max though, I got to say considering the way those two were driving I’m very glad to see who ended up on the podium. Lando for effectively shoving Max off track on the first overtake and then driving all the way back to the pits with his tyre spraying everywhere, based on the comments on here from Perez driving back with a broken wing, and then Max ramming Lando off driving dangerously into him on the second overtake.

What a pair, but it makes for exciting racing and I’m soooooooo glad to see McLaren at the front challenging for the lead. Lando just needs to clam down and let Max make the mistakes, as he will when under pressure, let him shove you off then get the penalty.

Damn this is one of the best seasons we’ve had in years and I’ve just been too tired or not had time to watch it, I’ve missed 3 or 4 races now!
 

cyb3rdud3

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No idea who will take it at Silverstone as it’s the fastest or one of the fastest tracks on the calendar.
Yup, its wide open. I couldn't call it it. When competition is getting this close again it really highlights that Checo need to pick it up, the team needs both racers wanting to go for it.

But Silverstone; Red Bull, McLaren, Mercedes are all in the running. And potentially Ferrari.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Max was not playing ball with his going one way then the other to block Lando who had the quicker car at the end. It’s a shame Lando didn’t get his second win, but good for George to pick up the pieces.
Max doesn't have the performance advantage he's had for the past 2 years and it feels a bit like 2021 again for him, as soon as someone tries an overtake, his elbows are out. Lando was very aggressive too though so I think the outcome was sort of deserved for both of them. If Lando had kept his head and been patient, that race was his for the taking. Great for George though, he thoroughly deserved that win.
 

Pezimak

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Max doesn't have the performance advantage he's had for the past 2 years and it feels a bit like 2021 again for him, as soon as someone tries an overtake, his elbows are out. Lando was very aggressive too though so I think the outcome was sort of deserved for both of them. If Lando had kept his head and been patient, that race was his for the taking. Great for George though, he thoroughly deserved that win.

What a drive by Piastri! Ok circumstances led to his podium but he caught the Ferrari napping! And isn't it only his second season in F1? He's right up there though.
 

cyb3rdud3

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What a drive by Piastri! Ok circumstances led to his podium but he caught the Ferrari napping! And isn't it only his second season in F1? He's right up there though.
I would not be surprised when he is a world champion one year. Very well trained, very focussed, nice clean driving. Supper impressive.
 
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Apple fanboy

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Max doesn't have the performance advantage he's had for the past 2 years and it feels a bit like 2021 again for him, as soon as someone tries an overtake, his elbows are out. Lando was very aggressive too though so I think the outcome was sort of deserved for both of them. If Lando had kept his head and been patient, that race was his for the taking. Great for George though, he thoroughly deserved that win.
With Max changing direction under braking on a track with limited overtaking opportunities, I think it would have been impossible for Lando to make a clean pass
 

CWallace

macrumors G5
Aug 17, 2007
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So new videos going up soon from The Race and FP1Will on Carlos Sainz and how his delay in making a decision on whom to sign for in 2025 may mean the decision will be made for him.

Alpine is said to be starting negotiations with Mercedes to become a customer team for their PSU in 2026 as they decide whether or not they want to be an engine supplier beyond next year. These negotiations are said to take weeks, if not months, and if Sainz waits for Alpine to decide, he may be forced to take Alpine's offer because Williams and Audi will have signed other options available to them (Bottas, Lawson, Ocon, Magnussen). The Race thinks this might even be Alpine's plan as Briatore is a "wheeler-dealer" when it comes to negotiations.
 
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JustinePaula

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F1 should be 100% in house, bar tyres and FIA mandated tech, you as a team are responsible for chassis, engine, and only engine, no hybrid, it is pure horsepower, run on 100% sugarcane fuel, You can use a battery of a certain capacity that takes 2 hours to recharge, so during the race you can use it, but when it is flat, you are out of luck.. Scrap the hybrid, the whole engine braking recovery.. If a team wants to race using customer engines, it looses 5 championship points per car per race, and it looses 10% of any prize money at the end of the season..
 

The-Real-Deal82

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F1 should be 100% in house, bar tyres and FIA mandated tech, you as a team are responsible for chassis, engine, and only engine, no hybrid, it is pure horsepower, run on 100% sugarcane fuel, You can use a battery of a certain capacity that takes 2 hours to recharge, so during the race you can use it, but when it is flat, you are out of luck.. Scrap the hybrid, the whole engine braking recovery.. If a team wants to race using customer engines, it looses 5 championship points per car per race, and it looses 10% of any prize money at the end of the season..

I think there would be easier ways to kill the sport than any of that.
 

pachyderm

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Jan 12, 2008
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I think there would be easier ways to kill the sport than any of that.
I'm not completely disagreed with some of @JustinePaula suggestions...
So new videos going up soon from The Race and FP1Will on Carlos Sainz and how his delay in making a decision on whom to sign for in 2025 may mean the decision will be made for him.

Alpine is said to be starting negotiations with Mercedes to become a customer team for their PSU in 2026 as they decide whether or not they want to be an engine supplier beyond next year. These negotiations are said to take weeks, if not months, and if Sainz waits for Alpine to decide, he may be forced to take Alpine's offer because Williams and Audi will have signed other options available to them (Bottas, Lawson, Ocon, Magnussen). The Race thinks this might even be Alpine's plan as Briatore is a "wheeler-dealer" when it comes to negotiations.

It might be in his, Sainz, best interest to simply sign with Briatore and let the chips fall where they will. I'm no fan of the man but he does seem to have a knack for winning.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
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I'm not completely disagreed with some of @JustinePaula suggestions...
Formula One doesn't have tobacco companies like Phillip Morris International putting a billion into the sport every 5 years to keep Indian kids buying packets of fags though anymore. It relies more than ever on selling its research and technologies into the automotive sector as sponsors aren't as forthcoming as they used to be. Less terrestrial outreach means mainstream banks and household brands aren't interested in paying £15m for front wing end cap ad space and the money has to come from somewhere. Ditching these links to make the sport less regulated is not realistic IMO. A team will still dominate with an unlimited budget and relaxed regulations and smaller teams will either pull out or just be uncompetitive.
 

JustinePaula

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I think F1 is a mess, it is a confused clash of desires and regulations, everyone and the family cat has lost sight of what F1 is/will be/should be/was... It was loud, it was expensive [hence the tobacco men], it has now morphed into a scam, ticket prices, food/drink is about making the most you can, which I guess is just as a result of other issues..

F1 has lost that for the people/by the people/enjoyed by the people, I have been watching F1 since the early 1980's, and I have seen the gap widen between fans and drivers, every generation has it's hero and it's villain..

What I see, is that the driver is now maybe at best, on a good track, with new tyres, maybe 20% of the result, 80% is the PHD army back in the UK or Italy.. It is a teamsport fair enough, but are we relying too much on tech and this leads to bad drivers?

F1 is not the same has it was 40 30 20 yrs ago, it has changed and not for the better, F1 is in great danger of becoming a valueless series, the older drivers are not helping, Lewis/Fernando/Bottas/Ricarrdo, they may in their own dreams think they are good, but the 17-20 yr old's in F2/F3 are faster, sharper, keener.. Lewis in a fight with Kimi A, no question, Kimi A is going to wreck out rather than back down, Lewis will back out of a fight, and we want this in F1?

F1 is a parade now, the highlight of the 2024 season, a crash.. Moans about unfair penalties, will Mclaren face a grid slot drop for driving the car and creating carbon fibre confetti?

I don't know, I just fear that F1 is morphing into a gremlin that was fed after midnight..
 
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