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The-Real-Deal82

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Hearing chatter on reddit and X that Zandvoort and Spa may move to an every-other season schedule. So one year we will have a Dutch Grand Prix only and the next year the Belgium Grand Prix will be held.

I’ve heard about Zandvoort not being able to afford the fees and as a modern F1 track, I think it’s too narrow and not the best circuit. Not so much of a loss but at the same time it’s the best option in the Netherlands and not having a race there is a mistake with a current multiple Dutch world champion IMO. Spa on the other hand is arguably the best circuit on the calendar and a firm fan favourite. I’d not want to lose such a prestigious blue ribbon track personally.

Maybe it’s to make room for yet more Arabian car parks with soul-less atmospheres that have oil money.
 

Glideslope

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Hearing chatter on reddit and X that Zandvoort and Spa may move to an every-other season schedule. So one year we will have a Dutch Grand Prix only and the next year the Belgium Grand Prix will be held.

Sigh. It would be so typical of F1 for us to loose Spa every other season.

Interesting stories being leaked that Liberty intervened in Red Bulls dismissal of Perez over loss of money concerns…

I’m still holding my grain of salt, however this just smells so like Liberty Media. If true the state of F1 is no better today than under Bernie.
 
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CWallace

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Interesting stories being leaked that Liberty intervened in Red Bulls dismissal of Perez over loss of money concerns…

I’m still holding my grain of salt, however this just smells so like Liberty Media. If true the state of F1 is no better today than under Bernie.

I mean in the end it is still the team's decision, but in addition to Liberty worried about attendance at the Mexican Grand Prix cratering without Perez there, Red Bull is probably concerned about money and social media exposure value, as well.

So perhaps "just" an alignment of financial interests?
 
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Glideslope

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I mean in the end it is still the team's decision, but in addition to Liberty worried about attendance at the Mexican Grand Prix cratering without Perez there, Red Bull is probably concerned about money and social media exposure value, as well.

So perhaps "just" an alignment of financial interests?

Perhaps, as long we are "certain" the team had the final call? I'm not convinced.
 

CWallace

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Perhaps, as long we are "certain" the team had the final call? I'm not convinced.

I mean can FOM really dictate whom a team hires and fires? You'd think they would have been twisting William's arm to keep Logan for 2025 or Haas keep Steiner around. And could they really make a "side deal" with Red Bull where they cover the WDC fund gap if Red Bull does not finish 1st due to Perez?
 

JustinePaula

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Bottas cost Lewis the title in 21, so did anyone compensate Merc for that? I don't recall any mention of compensation... Everyone and the family budgie were upset about the last race, when everyone including the ceo of the Merc team, forgot about what happened in Spain, Portugal, Bahrain and Baku..Red Bull should have released Perez after the 10th race of the season.. not at the end... No to compensation, then the FIA/FOM should start compensating every team going back to 1950...
 

Glideslope

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I mean can FOM really dictate whom a team hires and fires? You'd think they would have been twisting William's arm to keep Logan for 2025 or Haas keep Steiner around. And could they really make a "side deal" with Red Bull where they cover the WDC fund gap if Red Bull does not finish 1st due to Perez?

I get that, but neither that driver nor Team Principle brings in $88 million USD per year in sponsorship.....
 

Zest28

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I mean in the end it is still the team's decision, but in addition to Liberty worried about attendance at the Mexican Grand Prix cratering without Perez there, Red Bull is probably concerned about money and social media exposure value, as well.

So perhaps "just" an alignment of financial interests?

It’s not just the Mexican Grand Prix, Perez is also insanely popular in the USA and the USA is the largest economy in the world.

Lewis will not be around for much longer to carry F1 in the USA, so once Lewis leaves, it’s all on Perez.
 

avro707

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Spa on the other hand is arguably the best circuit on the calendar and a firm fan favourite. I’d not want to lose such a prestigious blue ribbon track personally.
Precisely the reason to get rid of it, add notoriety and publicity. Since we are talking about it, the strategy is already working. Or maybe I’m too cynical.

Last time I watched F1 they were powered by 2.4L V8s.

I could walk past 80% of the current drivers and wouldn’t know who they are.
 
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pachyderm

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Precisely the reason to get rid of it, add notoriety and publicity. Since we are talking about it, the strategy is already working. Or maybe I’m too cynical.

Last time I watched F1 they were powered by 2.4L V8s.

I could walk past 80% of the current drivers and wouldn’t know who they are.
then stay out of this thread?

lol
 

cyb3rdud3

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Precisely the reason to get rid of it, add notoriety and publicity. Since we are talking about it, the strategy is already working. Or maybe I’m too cynical.

Last time I watched F1 they were powered by 2.4L V8s.
Well, if you have an interest, you can always start watching it again.
I could walk past 80% of the current drivers and wouldn’t know who they are.
Doesn't matter, not the important part. Just know Max Verstappen is the current world champion and the rest wants to beat him. That is about it :p
 
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PlayUltimate

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I mean in the end it is still the team's decision, but in addition to Liberty worried about attendance at the Mexican Grand Prix cratering without Perez there, Red Bull is probably concerned about money and social media exposure value, as well.

So perhaps "just" an alignment of financial interests?
IMO, just a reminder that F1 is just another form of professional entertainment.
 

JustinePaula

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F1 was and will forever be a tool for selling tat to the masses, back in the day it was oil, petrol, tyres, pot and pans, now it is a scam to make a couple dozen people very very rich, whilst fleecing the gullible muppets that pay way too much for stupid views and overpriced beer and hot dogs...
 

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I'd rather see Max retire from F1 and do his thing. The last of a true talent who is not wholly dancing to the tune of political correctness demands that have nothing to do with the sport.

Have you noticed the focus on this Summer Break? Big push on verstappen.com and his social media as to his future plans, and his goal of owning his own racing team outright.

I don't think retirement is too far away.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Precisely the reason to get rid of it, add notoriety and publicity. Since we are talking about it, the strategy is already working. Or maybe I’m too cynical.

Last time I watched F1 they were powered by 2.4L V8s.

I could walk past 80% of the current drivers and wouldn’t know who they are.

A lot of people have stopped watching like yourself. The loss of FTA coverage in many countries slashed viewership 10 or so years ago. They now count social media views on clips to suggest the sport has grown in popularity, when in reality less people are actually watching races. The cars of the hybrid era have been dull overall, some good racing from time to time though. This season looks better now other teams have sorted their cars out.
 
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JustinePaula

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A few years ago, in New Zealand, a "sports" channel won the rights to broadcast New Zealand cricket, but then the company filed for bankruptcy, one of the problems was that getting the rights, on the hope of selling subscriptions did not work, TVNZ and other local broadcasters could not afford the rights from Sky New Zealand.. The problem is the costs of obtaining rights means only a very few broadcasters can afford to buy, but to buy means increasing subscriptions, and this forces subscribers to either want to pay or leave, and once they leave, it is nigh impossible to get them back...

So the whole system is on the verge of collapse, at some point, the bubble will burst, something will have to happen, who knows in what form, but the move from FTA [free to air] public broadcasters, BBC, SABC here in South Africa, and other local national broadcasters, means fewer viewers per event..

So the rights owner, FOM, have not made it easy.. I would pay R30, and it has to be fair in all countries, to pay $100 is more than the subscription for a month to the local private network here, DSTV, for the premium channel, to pay $5 per Sunday makes sense for local South African viewers, the US would maybe afford a bit more than $5, even $5 is steep locally..

But here is the thing that perplexes me... Sky and other broadcasters, exist to broadcast the event live, in real time, now... So if you delay broadcast 2 hours, for Free to Air, but the time the Free to Air goes live, the event itself has lost all value to Sky, to FOM, to the FIA, it is like you go to a restaurant, you pay for a meal, it is served, once you have had your meal, leftovers are usually thrown away, but to the homeless, someone hungry, a half meal, cold, is better, and the restaurant does not loose any thing from the sharing.. A bit of goodwill gained..

So that is what perplexes me, Sky for example, buys the rights for say $10 000 a weekend, has say for example 10 000 viewers, so it costs $1 per viewer.. Why not sell the rights to BBC for say 30c, on the understanding that the BBC delays by 2 hours.. Both benefit, and Sky make a profit... Keeps the subscription rates affordable...

What everyone and the family budgie has lost sight of, F1 is about branding, it is about getting as many people to see the names of the brands, which is why all circuits, have branding along the entire track, from airlines, to pot and pans, to oil, to back in the day, coffin nails, cars have branding, sponsors want as many people to see..

If you have say in the UK, only 10 000 [as example] you can only charge x for ad rates etc, but if you can prove that on a Sunday between 2pm and 7pm, you have 25 000 watching, then ad rates can go up... Win all round..

Not sure if the brains in F1 business are all that smart, I seem to get the impression, they cannot see the wood for the trees, and keep wondering why they have bruised shins from walking into trees..

F1 was from day one all about marketing, selling tat on Monday, oil, gloves, tyres, petrol, car brands, technology, some block survives a season, wins, and spends the next few months flogging everything from toothpaste to headache tablets, to fags and booze.. Rinse repeat..

So if you limit viewership to private only networks, this affects the whole system, F1 to karts.. Everyone looses.. The whole Andretti debacle, why? You have 3 events, maybe 4 US events, if you alternate Spa and Zandvoort, you want a 30 car grid, like F2/F3..

But the few in the system, don't want to share.. A problem.. tail wagging the dog here? Who owns F1, Toto, Horner, or???

A crash of the system will happen, the current system cannot be sustained.. Mark my words, or not, really.. I love F1, a huge passion, and I miss the days of real racing.. The system is broken... Not sure anyone wants to fix it..
 

headlessmike

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A lot of people have stopped watching like yourself. The loss of FTA coverage in many countries slashed viewership 10 or so years ago. They now count social media views on clips to suggest the sport has grown in popularity, when in reality less people are actually watching races. The cars of the hybrid era have been dull overall, some good racing from time to time though. This season looks better now other teams have sorted their cars out.
This has been my experience too. Interest in the sport has been rising in the last few years (from low levels) thanks to social media and Netflix, but it doesn't have the broad reach that it had 20+ years ago when it was easier/cheeper to watch live. This will obviously depend on where you live etc, but in my experience few people that don't specifically follow motorsports in my social circle know who Lewis Hamilton or Max Verstappen is, while everyone over the age of 30 knows the name Michael Schumacher. I have a (Danish) colleague that travels around the world watching major sporting events (having family members playing in the Fifa World Cup and taking part in the Olympics), and he was surprised to hear that F1 was still around when I brought it up once.

As a technical geek I've loved the hybrid era, with all of the advances being made in extracting more power out of archaic internal combustion engines. In many ways the sport became too complex though and the cars are too heavy and stable as they've grown in size. But at the same time I also miss the days when they were always on the edge in terms of performance, to the point where engines failing were commonplace as teams did their best to extract everything out of them.
 
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