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Glideslope

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Ferrari stuffed Charles' pit strategy, but Charles was able to make it a one-stop with a magnificent ~35 lap stint on the Hards.

Red Bull nowhere, which is nice. Agreed on the damage mitigation angle, but they were never a threat to finish on the third row or higher at any point.

It's all about damage limitation........
 

Harry Haller

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Carlos did a good job keeping Oscar off Charles’ tail for as long as he did.
Charles is going to miss Carlos next year as they worked well together.
Dumping Carlos for Lewis is going to turn out to be a mistake, imo.
 
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Glideslope

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Carlos did a good job keeping Oscar off Charles’ tail for as long as he did.
Charles is going to miss Carlos next year as they worked well together.
Dumping Carlos for Lewis is going to turn out to be a mistake, imo.

I'm not sure if it really matters that much to Lewis any longer. He has nothing to prove. This was bucket list item, and a team that was willing to fund his off track commitments. I think he would have stayed at Mercedes if they would have ponied up.
 

Apple fanboy

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If McLaren had run team orders, I think they would have had a 1-2 today.
But by racing each other on lap one they lost their advantage. I’d have left Piastri out and see what happens with the tyres. As soon as they pitted him it was obvious Ferrari would stay out.

Only 8 points in the constructors WC now. Even Ferrari are taking chunks out of RBR.
 

Harry Haller

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I'm not sure if it really matters that much to Lewis any longer. He has nothing to prove. This was bucket list item, and a team that was willing to fund his off track commitments. I think he would have stayed at Mercedes if they would have ponied up.
Lewis was amazing in his prime.
Co-GOAT with Michael and I'm grateful to have witnessed both.
But that time is past I'm afraid.
This move to Ferrari reminds me of Michael's post sabbatical stint at Mercedes.
Hopefully I'm wrong for I would like to see a Ferrari Constructors Championship.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Lewis was amazing in his prime.
Co-GOAT with Michael and I'm grateful to have witnessed both.
But that time is past I'm afraid.
This move to Ferrari reminds me of Michael's post sabbatical stint at Mercedes.
Hopefully I'm wrong for I would like to see a Ferrari Constructors Championship.

Lewis has shown very recently he is capable of dominantly commanding a race and winning it though, he’s in amazing shape for an elder driver and I think he’ll be a lift to Ferrari and will be very motivated to make his mark. I think there is life in the old dog yet. Ferrari will hopefully gain from his approach, experience and of course his huge marketing pull.
 

Harry Haller

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Lewis has shown very recently he is capable of dominantly commanding a race and winning it though, he’s in amazing shape for an elder driver and I think he’ll be a lift to Ferrari and will be very motivated to make his mark. I think there is life in the old dog yet. Ferrari will hopefully gain from his approach, experience and of course his huge marketing pull.

The British GP certainly proved that Lewis still has skill to win.
Just don't know if he has for over an entire season.
We'll find out soon.

I'm sure he's thrilled at the progress Ferrari is making and is looking forward to the challenge next year. Will be interesting to see what team orders might emerge between him and Charles in races where he's not the fastest of the two.
 

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One picture worth a thousand words.
Oscar and Lando wait for Charles at the post race conference.
They've currently got the fastest car but a troubled relationship.
 
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JustinePaula

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Lewis was amazing in his prime.
Co-GOAT with Michael and I'm grateful to have witnessed both.
But that time is past I'm afraid.
This move to Ferrari reminds me of Michael's post sabbatical stint at Mercedes.
Hopefully I'm wrong for I would like to see a Ferrari Constructors Championship.
Nope, neither are really great drivers, Micheal had to resort to cheating, caught numerous times, Lewis won when there was no other car competent to compete, and when there was driver competent, he lost to Nico, and then Lewis's own decisions cost him a title in 2021..

You cannot compare Lewis/Micheal to the legends, to Mr Lauda, Mr Stewart, Mr Fangio, the slaughter years, where if you survived the race, a legend, to win 2 titles, GOAT.. seriously, the number of titles has no value, it is a meaningless metric, it carries no value to compare the slaughter years to the safety years..

Prost/Senna/Hill drove insane cars that now are unsafe, so how can you say Lewis/Micheal are better than the legends from the slaughter years??
 

cyb3rdud3

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Hey guys, how much of you have actually been at F1? How was it? My wife is watching it a lot, I mean every race when it is happening.

I am thinking to go Budapest or somewhere else in Europe (not Monaco :D), make a surprise
I've been to a few (4 so far this year, and 2 classic f1s). But I wouldn't go on actual race day unless you really want to soak up the atmosphere and watch the race later ;)

Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Hungary are great ones to go to. Moreover, not too expensive, not even the Paddock Club. Silverstone is also exceptional, was there for the classics and had a go at the circuit as well thanks to Polestar.

Still want to experience Monza, and I'll wait for a rich friend with a yacht or flat to invite me to Monaco :p
 

JustinePaula

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What I don't get is this, the FIA has all the CAD drawings, everything on the car has to be submitted, so how does RB get away with a braking system.. If the FIA feel the system is unfair, it should make the system available to all teams.. Instead of banning, say suspend for 3 events... Allow the teams to vote to retain or ban the system... If it makes for better/safer racing..Why not?
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Rumor has it, Red Bull got exposed for using asymmetric braking.

Since they apparently removed it they’ve lost their pace through the corners and now the Helmet is asking the FIA to looks at Mercedes and McLarens front wings because he thinks they are illegal. That would be easier to spot than a valve fed through the engine though and it’s hardly likely they are running something like a tuned mass dampener lol. We should just be grateful that the season has turned into a fight rather than the pole to flag runs we’ve had for a couple of years.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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I can see both sides here. I don't think Zak has what it takes to make the call.
In fairness to Zak he has got 2 drivers who are fairly equally matched in terms of ability, both young and eager to win. I think Ferrari and Mercedes have a similar situation but are not regularly winning where it causes tension in the camp. There is a sort of harmony at the moment, but this time is running out and it will not be long before Lando and Oscar are refusing to support each other I think. Zak has not had this issue before and hopefully he'll be looking into the Ron Dennis archives of how not to handle this sort of situation.
 

Glideslope

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In fairness to Zak he has got 2 drivers who are fairly equally matched in terms of ability, both young and eager to win. I think Ferrari and Mercedes have a similar situation but are not regularly winning where it causes tension in the camp. There is a sort of harmony at the moment, but this time is running out and it will not be long before Lando and Oscar are refusing to support each other I think. Zak has not had this issue before and hopefully he'll be looking into the Ron Dennis archives of how not to handle this sort of situation.

I could see the images of Ron's face during the Senna, Prost period as I was reading your post. ;)
 

Glideslope

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What I don't get is this, the FIA has all the CAD drawings, everything on the car has to be submitted, so how does RB get away with a braking system.. If the FIA feel the system is unfair, it should make the system available to all teams.. Instead of banning, say suspend for 3 events... Allow the teams to vote to retain or ban the system... If it makes for better/safer racing..Why not?

The Asymmetrical Braking system rumors are just that. Rumors. I'm allot more inclined to subscribe to the lack of Adrains input. Things really decompensated after the last big package. We really don't know how involved Newey was in it's design. Let's say he was. Well, things don't go as expected, and then they don't have him there to give the on the spot input he is known for.

Then they require more wind tunnel time, which they don't have. This simply compounds the balance issues.

Secondly, I have felt RB has been having undisclosed PU issues. We know they took the 5th unit, however, I don't think they have been able to run the power setting they need to since then. Max alluded to this in post after Monza. I think their PU issue is just as large a problem as their aero. I was hoping Honda would continue to support RBR 100% until the end, but I'm afraid they are very focused now on the AMR 2026 PU.
 

JustinePaula

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The FIA don't do anything just cause there is a stink, they operate on real events/real technology, not on the sighting of a 5 legged unicorn's 2nd horn... No, they banned asymmetrical braking as it exists, as to this was the cause in chief of Minimum Verstappens new name, we won't know, if Christian had any sense, the moment Adrian walked in the door, Christian should have asked security to decline his access, asked the IT to sanitize all work Tech products, have Adrian hand over phones, ipads, laptops... Garden leave starts at 09:00..

There is blood in the water, of that there is no question.. Who's blood, I wonder about the rationale of PawPaw rules.. that will get ugly very quickly, we saw this with Minimum and some dude have a big off in Baku a couple seasons back..
 

The-Real-Deal82

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I could see the images of Ron's face during the Senna, Prost period as I was reading your post. ;)
Yep, that head tilting back on his shoulders staring at the monitors, headphones on, with a furious expression on his face lol. Or grabbing Fernando's physio to go off for a little chat.

I think Zak needs to call it now though. We have 8 Grand Prix left and Lando is 62 points behind Max, Oscar is 106, and as a team at this point, a driver has to be favoured as sad as that is for the supporting driver and his fans. McLaren are on course to win the constructors championship if performance remains as it is now, so both titles have to be considered. Letting these guys race it out could cost them the drivers title as McLaren have been there before. It is a tough call but ultimately it has to be done. I hate team orders with a passion as I want to see drivers given an equal opportunity, but most teams operate on the basis that equality occurs until the mid point of the season and is reassessed.
 
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pachyderm

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Congrats to LeClerc! Great drive.

So what we are seeing is the best car(McLaren?) not being driven by the best driver?

Usually, and of late, the best car/best driver combo wins.

Mika/McLaren
Schumi/Ferrari
Alonso/Renualt
Vettel/RedBull
Lewie/Mercedes
Max/RedBull

Again, I do root for Lando, but seriously, he's got to get it sorted.
 
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Yep, that head tilting back on his shoulders staring at the monitors, headphones on, with a furious expression on his face lol. Or grabbing Fernando's physio to go off for a little chat.

I think Zak needs to call it now though. We have 8 Grand Prix left and Lando is 62 points behind Max, Oscar is 106, and as a team at this point, a driver has to be favoured as sad as that is for the supporting driver and his fans. McLaren are on course to win the constructors championship if performance remains as it is now, so both titles have to be considered. Letting these guys race it out could cost them the drivers title as McLaren have been there before. It is a tough call but ultimately it has to be done. I hate team orders with a passion as I want to see drivers given an equal opportunity, but most teams operate on the basis that equality occurs until the mid point of the season and is reassessed.
Those 62 could be 50 with team orders.
 

CWallace

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If McLaren does throw Oscar to the wolves, they best start looking for who will drive for them alongside Lando in 2026 as I do not see Oscar accepting a "second driver" role Ala the Schumacher Years at Ferrari and the Verstappen Years at Red Bull.

Doubly so if Lando ends up not winning the WDC this year and Piastri drops to 5th in the WDC behind Sainz. That is going to do wonders for their 2025 campaign... :rolleyes:
 
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