I wouldn't expect anything too exciting. I have the latest 4K and it just feels very overpowered and underutilized. It runs the same programs and software as the Apple TV HD from 2015.
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It does fit in with Apple's marketting approach, and Pro never really meant for professionals. People read too much into the Pro moniker.
Not everyone is willing to pay a premium but would buy at the right price point.
Apple, historically, has always segmented the market once a product is established. Even Jobs did, with the 4 quadrant model.
Having one device will result in compromises that make it too much for some and not enough for others.
I disagree, having a device at the top end that can run high quality games would open up Apple Arcade to a broader audience and be a good fit with Apple's push to grow services. It could also drive more development in games for Apple devices, which could benefit Mac users as well.
As for naming it, Pro may not be the best choice, but it's a good place holder differentiate the devices until a better name can be found.
And yet, Apple’s massive success began when they started creating tiers, with iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. Later iPhone 7 Plus featured an additional camera. 2017 brought 3 new offerings. The XR sold incredibly well, and so on until we’re here today and everyone seems to want the “Pro” (and mostly “Max) models that people like to crap on because of the branding.
People complain about Apple not offering options and being control freaks, then they complain about offering too many device options.
I think it’s great that people have options in terms of feature-set and price point. And much of that variety comes from selling older models (at least with iPhone). That’s not that difficult for people to understand. Having a regular iPhone and a Pro iPhone is no different than having a regular model (or what might have been called “consumer” model in the past), and a professional model.
I can see an obvious case for a normal Apple TV and then a beefed up one intended to support console-quality games. That is 100% reasonable. Don’t game? Save money!
is it crazy of me to always look forward to the Apple TV updates? lol it’s lowkey one of my favorite Apple products.
idk what they’re going to do with next year’s version, but I’ll be buying!
idk what they’re going to do with next year’s version, but I’ll be buying!
Thank you! My thoughts exactly (I had just replied with something along these lines, but really enjoyed your post as well). If there were only one offering in a product category, people would complain about that too. If there are options you don’t need…what do you care? Buy what you want.
Yes, complain is the operative word. People love to complain no matter what the subject is. It fosters feeling better and empowered for a couple of hours.
Since I purchased an Amazon Firestick, I never use my ATV. The remote is such a mess, I can’t be bothered to even pick it up.
I find it extremely unlikely Apple will get into serious gaming anytime soon… for now i think they would target the middle ground for games… casual gamer with a few excellent exclusives or conversions.
Honestly Ive only tried few other branded streaming devices. And only the Apple TV excels at this for my use. Between the faster UI, and being able to use either my phone, Ipad, or the included remote to control it. SEamlessly rent films. If you're not in the Apple Ecosystem then I can see this not being the greatest thing from this purpose. But if they really want to step it up I'd love to see a high end AVR with Apple TV built in. With audiophile components. Yeah that'd super niche, but it' already kind of is. Call that Apple TV 8K + AVR. Or since they're already selling monitors they could make an actual Apple Television using the Apple TV OS. That would probably a more marketable variant of the Apple TV product segment. While offering stand alone Apple TV's still.
I have three Apple TVs, but honestly only use them so that I can transmit latency free audio via Airplay to my homepods while watching movies. It's so nice to have the speakers near us, instead of 15 feet away on a wall (keeps kids from waking up). It's a real bummer that modern TVs can only receive Airplay signals, instead of being able to transmit Airplay to Homepods.
Outside of that, the Apple TV controller is way too tiny for bigger hands, the removal of optical audio, or any audio output for that matter was a punch in the gut to people like me who use high end audio gear. Also, it can't handle as many bluetooth connections as a phone, and so I can't enjoy Zwift cycling through my Apple TV because it can't handle the quantity of bluetooth sensors. If I had one wish, it woudl be for Apple to make Homepod Pro speakers equivalent to. QSC K12s, with a separate Airplay Subwoofer. Stereo Homepods are far from being loud enough to rock out to with multiple people over. They frankly just produce **lifestyle** volume. Magic memories come from speakers that can get blistering loud, so that your friends can lose themselves in the music. Sure, it's a niche market, but Apple could easily buy Soundboks, paint them white, and include AirPlay.
Outside of that, the Apple TV controller is way too tiny for bigger hands, the removal of optical audio, or any audio output for that matter was a punch in the gut to people like me who use high end audio gear. Also, it can't handle as many bluetooth connections as a phone, and so I can't enjoy Zwift cycling through my Apple TV because it can't handle the quantity of bluetooth sensors. If I had one wish, it woudl be for Apple to make Homepod Pro speakers equivalent to. QSC K12s, with a separate Airplay Subwoofer. Stereo Homepods are far from being loud enough to rock out to with multiple people over. They frankly just produce **lifestyle** volume. Magic memories come from speakers that can get blistering loud, so that your friends can lose themselves in the music. Sure, it's a niche market, but Apple could easily buy Soundboks, paint them white, and include AirPlay.
A17 Pro + game controllers + proper AAA games developed for the platform = winner.
I expect Apple Silicon as a whole to push Mac gaming forward significantly.
iOS can now also support bigger games.
All this is stacking up to being “real” gaming to the Apple ecosystem.
Oh, and support for proper controllers.
I expect Apple Silicon as a whole to push Mac gaming forward significantly.
iOS can now also support bigger games.
All this is stacking up to being “real” gaming to the Apple ecosystem.
Oh, and support for proper controllers.
Apple TV 2028 if ya all want options…
Apple TV
Apple TV Pro
Apple TV Pro Max
Disclaimer - not all features are available on Apple TV or Apple TV Pro. Exclusive games require Apple TV Pro or Apple TV Pro Max.
Apple TV 2029
Apple TV
Apple TV Pro
Apple TV Pro Maxi
Disclaimer - Apple TV Pro Max is no longer supported.
Apple TV
Apple TV Pro
Apple TV Pro Max
Disclaimer - not all features are available on Apple TV or Apple TV Pro. Exclusive games require Apple TV Pro or Apple TV Pro Max.
Apple TV 2029
Apple TV
Apple TV Pro
Apple TV Pro Maxi
Disclaimer - Apple TV Pro Max is no longer supported.
Any update to the Apple TV is ALWAYS welcome. Even if it’s just a newer chip. Release that new box.
It would be funny if they debut the M3 in the Apple TV just for the heck of it.
They could release a FineWoven Apple TV 🤔
Great hardware, very limited OS.
I can't download BBC iPlayer in my country outside UK because my mother Apple said I'm a child and I shouldn't do it (of course I can't download it on iOS/iPadOS too, but I can download it on my Mac because Macs are for adults and you can do whatever you want), and I also can't use BBC iPlayer on Safari because it doesn't have Safari, so I can't use BBC iPlayer at all.
And I can't use Xbox Cloud too for the same reason: lack of Safari.
And Apple Arcade sucks, why people here still insists on it and thinks Apple will one day make it competitve?
I can't download BBC iPlayer in my country outside UK because my mother Apple said I'm a child and I shouldn't do it (of course I can't download it on iOS/iPadOS too, but I can download it on my Mac because Macs are for adults and you can do whatever you want), and I also can't use BBC iPlayer on Safari because it doesn't have Safari, so I can't use BBC iPlayer at all.
And I can't use Xbox Cloud too for the same reason: lack of Safari.
And Apple Arcade sucks, why people here still insists on it and thinks Apple will one day make it competitve?
C'mon now, really? The widely accepted definition for "Pro" is "Professional". Apple has obviously muddied that definition (AirPods Pro???) but "Pro never really meant for professionals" is just wrong.
An Apple TV Pro is senseless.
They should release M5 Apple TV Pro and people with M2 Macbook Pros, Mac Studio etc will go red in the face, puff up and explode.
It could be promoted as a cheaper alternative to a Nintendo, PlayStation or Xbox.
2023 RE4 remake of the 2005 game of the same name. Versions for iOS, iPadOS and macOS are set for release later in 2023.
Come on, everyone knows that the regular Pro isnt for Pros… you need a Pro Max.
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- Buy a modest or better gaming PC. For about the price of an iPhone, you can buy a LOT of PC. There is still abundant competition for all of the parts there and PC margin is not ramping up towards double the hardware costs. Example: m.2 8TB for $750 instead of being a $2200 upgrade in a Mac. And we should still be able to recall Intel Mac RAM pricing from third parties vs. Silicon RAM upgrades ourselves.
- Within the PC, get a good gaming card from Nvidia.
- Install Moonlight app on AppleTV. This will basically link to the Nvidia GeForce card so you can "throw" PC games/screen to your TV and (probably) best audio system in the house.
- Game away
Instead of waiting for AAA games to someday come to Apple hardware, you'll have them already... when they are fresh and popular vs. aging or vintage.
I went the above way for full "old fashioned bootcamp" only to discover the gaming benefit via Moonlight app and I'm stunned how good that works. Existing AppleTVs become full gaming boxes NOW instead of the "someday" that keeps getting slung around but never seems to actually arrive.
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I wonder why Apple didn't consider making a Stick, like Roku has. When I travel I would much rather take the Roku with me because it's just more convenient.