Good for Yuki, bad for Lawson but if RB kept him, they would have run out of money by mid season repairing his cars!
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2025 Formula One Season Thread
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It probably would have been better for Yuki to stay where he is and then jump to Aston Martin next year (with Honda support) and drive a car designed by Andrain Newey.
This Red Bull has been designed for Max and only Max can drive it, so I don't think it's the best for Yuki personally if I'm honest.
I won't be surprised if Lawson will start performing better in the Yuki's old car, as he is more familiar what that car in terms of handling.
I don’t agree, if the driver feeds back properly to the team they will develop the car better. Lawson doesn’t seem to be able to do that.
Also this years car was designed by Newey too so not sure what difference that makes, also they don’t have a seat spare anyway.
But I’ve heard some inside info and don’t expect RB to win this year, they don’t expect to win the constructors that’s for sure.
Since May 2024, 1st, Adrian Newey has no longer been working on his day-to-day design duties at Red Bull. So this is not exactly a Newey car anymore.
If Newey was still actively involved, Red Bull would have still been a rocketship and Mclaren would be nowhere close.
I think it’s fair to say Newey had limited involvement in this car, but I think McLaren had closed the gap. More than just Newey have left RBR in the last season.
No teams domination lasts forever in F1.
I didn't know he finished then. Explains a lot. The team needs a bit of restructuring internally now he's gone in order to succeed again.
Good look on Yuki getting Fernando or Lance to retire...
F1 is too expensive a sport to participate in to deliberately handicap oneself by designing a car only one driver can handle. The goal is to design the fastest car possible and it just so happens that Max's (and, supposedly, Yuki's) driving style generally correlates to what Red Bull's data tells them is how to make the car fastest. When you also add in that Max is (IMO) the greatest driver of this generation, even when that design started to stray from his desired handling characteristics, he was still able to make it work and work successfully.
But with the RB20 and RB21, Red Bull looks to have taken the design philosophy too far and now even Max is struggling to make it work, to say nothing of drivers whose style either did not correlate to the design philosophy or do not have Max's talent to overcome it.
The Racing Bulls chassis seems to be far more forgiving than the Red Bull Racing one, so yes, I am hopeful he can find his feet again and convince the team to let him run the full season.
Aston Martin don’t have an available seat next year.
In reality Yuki had a fair chance his career ended in 22 races, this move is his best chance to extend that.
I just checked. I seem to have mixed them up with McLaren Automotive who are owned by CYVN Holdings, who are owned by the Abu Dhabi government. They possibly also own a stake in McLaren racing, who are majority owned by Mumtalakat.
Although I still could be wrong as all this financial stuff is rather complicated and confusing.
Not only is MV the best driver but he has been in the car as it has evolved more and more in the current direction, so will have been able to gradually get used to it. Plus the team is basically built around him on race days, to listen to his feedback etc.
It is going to be so hard for YT to understand the car and get as much speed out of it as possible in just a few practice sessions. I would not be surprised if he dose as badly as Lawson next weekend.
I don't see that as a possibility. Lewis is firm through 2026, with an option for 2027. Charles is firm through 2028 with an exit clause 2026 if he want's out. I don't see teams throwing themselves at Charles. Max want's out of the RB seat after this season. You'll see the circus heat up during the summer break. I don't believe Max really cares about the Ferrari mystique.
I was firmly in the camp that Max would go to ARM to rejoin Adrain. I don't believe Fernando's seat is firm. His contract guarantees him a position in AMR leadership/ownership after he retires. I don't see Lawerence removing Lance. Honda seems to be having a bit of trouble with 2026 PU development. Max will need to assess that.
Toto clearly lies in bed at night talking to Susie about ways to land Max. I don't believe a word when he says he want's to re-sign George by the summer break. Unless Kimi has some unforeseen meltdown he will be at Mercedes for a while. Kimi was brought up correctly by Toto and is showing the results. Personally, I'm very impressed with his race craft. I believe Max would rather race for Mercedes than AMR.
It will be interesting to watch this play out. I'm still trying to decide where Max's head is right now. He's definitely different. Is it just an act? Is it the birth of his first biological child? Does he really care about winning another WDC? I'm not convinced he does. I definitely think he will look for the most money over all. He will want a contract that will ensure his interests outside of F1. Most notably Verstappen Racing. I believe that's really his passion in 2025.
My money is Max at AMR is Lawerence empties the treasury. Personally I'd like to see Mercedes. Let's see the what happens after Zandvoort........
That only works if the engineers actually listen to the feedback and aren't so vain as to think they know better.
And what makes you think they are at Red Bull considering the number of championships they've won now? They are doing something right, well maybe not so much this year.
The design of the RB20 was led in essence by Adrian Newey, but cars evolve over a season, especially with aero enhancements and Newey as you say, stepped away from any involvement from May 2024, 3 months into the season. I mean, no team relies solely on the technical lead, and Red Bull have Pierre Waché who was the Technical Director under Newey and is very talented and experienced. A lot of people forget that although Newey is perhaps the best the sport has seen, even he doesn't always get it right and last season McLaren developed their car better. The benefit Red Bull (Max) have is they don't run an equal status strategy like other teams and watched as McLaren's drivers took points off each other until too late in the season. However the higher finishing positions meant the constructors was McLaren's for the taking and for a team, that is the ultimate prize.
It'll be interesting to see how McLaren handle this season as it seems both drivers are hungry and evenly matched which is something no team manager really wants to deal with, as implosion is never too far away, eh Ron?
The team has admitted that it didn't take the feedback from Max and Checo seriously when they criticized the development of the car since the team was winning championships anyway. Sounds like a recipe for failure.
Here's an article discussing this: https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/red-bull-apology-suggests-perez-is-finally-being-listened-to/
Basically that is all since Newey left, if you look at their performance now, it should tell you why they need to restructure.. they have a few too many chiefs at the moment.
Lawrence Stroll is selling Aston's minority stake in the team in order to generate additional investment into and ownership of the road car company, though in practice it doesn't really mean anything as Aston Martin's presence is solely from a commercial marketing perspective and does not exercise any control or influence over the team.
www.the-race.com
What Aston Martin selling its F1 team shares really means
An Aston Martin proposal to sell its shares in the F1 team that bears its name is, on the surface, quite dramatic. But it's not as simple as that
www.the-race.com
And it doesn’t change the stake held by Stroll in either company. It just eliminates the overlap between the two.Lawrence Stroll is selling Aston's minority stake in the team in order to generate additional investment into and ownership of the road car company, though in practice it doesn't really mean anything as Aston Martin's presence is solely from a commercial marketing perspective and does not exercise any control or influence over the team.
What Aston Martin selling its F1 team shares really means
An Aston Martin proposal to sell its shares in the F1 team that bears its name is, on the surface, quite dramatic. But it's not as simple as that
Imagine if Honda were to buy Aston’s stake in the team. 🤔
I would expect Aramco to be the most-likely buyer. Not sure Lawrence wants it to become the Honda factory team (and I do not know how much of the team Honda would need to own to be able to brand it as such).