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That's why Apple failed Mac Pro 2013 and they apologized. They did WRONG for 100%. You are not realizing what Apple had done to Mac Pro users. You are ignoring facts that Mac Pro 2013 is technically a mess. That's not the Mac Pro Apple is interested in making? Then what an epic fail. You cant edit videos easily because it crashes.
https://twitter.com/JBowdacious/sta...re-pro-process-burned-through-10-mac-pro-61s/
You are trying to defend that Mac Pro 2013 is what Apple wanted to make. Guess what? No. Even for video production, Mac Pro 2013 failed a lot. I totally doubt that you can use Mac Pro 2013 for complicated works.
Your post doesn't make much sense, but the one example of the widely spread deadpool example has also been discussed ad nauseam. They were likely using the defect GPU's that Apple launched a repair program for. If the nMP couldn't edit videos, we would have seen dozens and dozens of similar stories. But we haven't. We just keep seeing the several years-old deadpool example repeated over and over again.
Those GPU issues were caused by overheating temperature and it is obvious. Do you even aware that Apple took 3 years to accept this issue? For 3 years, those Mac Pro users had no idea what to do since Apple didnt accept their issues for several years.
Since you are not aware of technical aspects, I have nothing to say since you dont understand what Im saying.
Also, Apple already admitted and apology about Mac Pro 2013. What should I have to say more?
Yeh, I agree. They want Apple to make a big box with PCIe slots (ala classic Mac Pro from 2008-2012) with the latest Xeon CPU, etc.
To me, that would not be "Think Different."
To go off on a little conjecture, Ars Technica reviewed the latest 2018 Mac Mini and sums it up as a "desktop computer without desktop performance." Or, something like that.
Ouch!
But, I say, that author is more a walking, talking slogan called "Think The Same."
That's like calling a Honda Accord, a car without Porsche Carrera Performance.
Ouch, indeed!
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I have something to say about the Apple public apology on my post at #4
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That doesnt justify why Apple didnt update their Mac Pro 2013 for 5~6 years. Since there are tons of article about Mac Pro 2013 being a trash, mess, and failure, I dont see the point of what you are saying.
That doesnt justify why Apple didnt update their Mac Pro 2013 for 5~6 years. Since there are tons of article about Mac Pro 2013 being a trash, mess, and failure, I dont see the point of what you are saying.
The really sad fact is even though the 2013 was a disaster, they are now in the process of designing another disaster, the Modular Mac Pro. For the few people left that have not already jumped ship to the dark side I feel sorry. Hanging on a thread of hope for 1-2 years only to once again be severely disappointed.
This happens when companies get so large they lose touch with their customers. They are so large they think they know better what you need than you do. When Microsoft was huge they did the exact same thing. "Who are you to question us? We are Huge and you are nothing." Completely out of touch.
International standards ? ISO ? We are so huge WE ARE THE STANDARD! And you better believe it.
Microsoft has, thank god, backed out of that thinking. And they get much less hate due to that.
Apple is the new Microsoft that people used to hate.
Instead of dropping their Professional Apps and Professional Hardware like they did they should have spun off another subsidiary called Apple Pro. (Like they did with FileMaker) Then Apple Pro could have provided an entire suite of professional apps and a whole line-up of professional hardware.
There is no way in the world that the current Apple is going to make ONE new Mac Pro (Modular or Not) and have it satisfy every pro.
All you have to do is look at the new 2018 Mac Mini to see where Apples head is RIGHT NOW.
Yes, it has an M.2 SSD. It could have easily been an off the shelf M.2 SSD that users could upgrade. But no, it's a Apple Proprietary M.2 SSD soldered to the mother board. Along with the CPU.
This happens when companies get so large they lose touch with their customers. They are so large they think they know better what you need than you do. When Microsoft was huge they did the exact same thing. "Who are you to question us? We are Huge and you are nothing." Completely out of touch.
International standards ? ISO ? We are so huge WE ARE THE STANDARD! And you better believe it.
Microsoft has, thank god, backed out of that thinking. And they get much less hate due to that.
Apple is the new Microsoft that people used to hate.
Instead of dropping their Professional Apps and Professional Hardware like they did they should have spun off another subsidiary called Apple Pro. (Like they did with FileMaker) Then Apple Pro could have provided an entire suite of professional apps and a whole line-up of professional hardware.
There is no way in the world that the current Apple is going to make ONE new Mac Pro (Modular or Not) and have it satisfy every pro.
All you have to do is look at the new 2018 Mac Mini to see where Apples head is RIGHT NOW.
Yes, it has an M.2 SSD. It could have easily been an off the shelf M.2 SSD that users could upgrade. But no, it's a Apple Proprietary M.2 SSD soldered to the mother board. Along with the CPU.
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No they can't satisfy every pro. But most are or will be served just fine. The disconnect is that the typical MacRumor poster here is not the typical "pro", but they think they're the typical "pro", and they think Apple should cater to them even when it goes against everything Apple's approach is about.
Yeah, I saw that, completely ridiculous. Peter Bright did the review - he's the Windows guy at Ars - does most of the Microsoft/Windows articles and many of the Microsoft/PC product reviews like Surface. I've been reading Ars since at least ~2000, and he's never done an Apple product review that I can recall. That was "professional" click-bait/trolling at work there. Unlike Apple, Ars is an example of something that used to be very different but has completely changed over time... people would be right to suggest that they no longer cater to their original audience. I don't care for Ars as much as I used to, but they're a publication in the business of making money and are more popular than ever.
"Will Be Served" Is exactly what I was talking about. I don't want to be SERVED by Apple. After being a 40 year customer I want to be CATERED TO, not served. I jumped ship 3 months ago and I am SO glad to be off that ship.
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lol I guess you are the nutshell since you dont have any logical reasons to against Mac Pro 2013 being a trash or failure.
Good move - if the products aren't serving your needs, go find products that do!
I've been using Windows since 3.1 and currently use Window 10 professionally. I prefer macOS and Apple hardware in general, but Windows gets the job done.
Apple was "done" with Nvidia for the 2013, and onwards, because Nvidia wouldn't, and assumedly still won't let Apple buy GTXs and put Quadro branding on them.
No, my theory as posted in #4 is that Apple is done with the other company (the red one)!
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I am defending the trashcan because I find it so desirable, even though I know it's just a computer.
It is also a one of a kind computer. Not even on Windows platform can you build a small form factor PC with workstation class components in them.
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It's in my sig. I use multiple platforms. It's been a long while now, but also used Linux for many years.
It's like you see this as some kind of war or something. I don't take the computer stuff too personally, they're mostly just tools to me these days. I'm not defending the virtue of the nMP or anything, and have mostly laid off these discussions because it's like talking to a brick wall - you guys see it one way and only one way and that's the way you think things should be, and that everyone else who doesn't see it that way is just stupid or doesn't know or understand anything. And it's just kind of funny, because you're in this tiny niche usage of Apple's market who thinks and talks like you're the majority.
The nMP wasn't exactly what I wanted either, it was just the closest desktop Apple offered that met my requirements. I had a cMP 5.1 before the nMP, and it was a great computer, but the nMP fit my needs better. I "get" all the points being made about PCIe slots and drive bays... I've been tinkering around the inside of computers for over 30 years. But technology and workflows change, it costs money, and yes, sometimes that's forced upon us when we don't want it to, and that sucks. Hopefully you can eventually move on with your lives and careers.
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Apple thought they could reinvent the wheel, so to speak, they thought they could dictate to Pro users what they need in a desktop workstation.
Let's face it, desktop systems have been declining sales for decades, Pro desktops that run the macOS are a niche within a niche.
Apple failed to serve that niche.
Let's face it, desktop systems have been declining sales for decades, Pro desktops that run the macOS are a niche within a niche.
Apple failed to serve that niche.
You really should do a little homework before making claims like that.
HP ZBook Studio:
- Up to Xeon E-2186M CPU (6 cores/12 threads, 2.9 to 4.0 GHz)
- 32 GiB ECC 2667 MHz ram, or 64 GiB non-ECC
- Up to Nvidia Quadro P2000 4 GiB (Pascal)
- Up to 2 TB NVME SSD
- Up to 4K 15" display
HP ZBook 17:
- Up to Xeon E-2186M CPU (6 cores/12 threads, 2.9 to 4.0 GHz)
- 64 GiB ECC 2400 MHz ram, or 128 GiB non-ECC
- Up to Nvidia Quadro P5200 16 GiB (Pascal)
- Up to two 2 TB NVME SSDs, plus 2.5 SATA
- Up to 4K 17.3" display
HP Z2 Mini:
- Up to Xeon E-2176G CPU (6 cores/12 threads, 3.7 to 4.7 GHz)
- 32 GiB ECC or non-ECC 2667 MHz ram
- Up to Nvidia Quadro P1000 4 GiB (Pascal) or ATI Pro WX4150 4 GiB
- Up to 2 TB NVME SSDs, plus 2.5 SATA
- Bring your own display
- 58x216x216mm (2.7L) (MP6,1 is twice as big at 5.5L)
Maybe a factor on the 2013 Mac Pro's failure is the limitation on GPU upgrades in the long term. Users would be stuck with the stagnant AMD FirePros cards through the years and with no support on Nvidia cards. And some softwares are not yet optimised to make use of the 2 GPUs in computer processing. The launching of the 5K Retina iMac may have overshadowed the 2013 Mac Pro that users would prefer getting the iMac instead from a monetary standpoint.
I noticed your posts in other threads mentioning that you recently purchased a 2018 Mini. How exactly is that jumping ship?
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You really should do a little homework before making claims like that.
HP ZBook Studio:
- Up to Xeon E-2186M CPU (6 cores/12 threads, 2.9 to 4.0 GHz)
- 32 GiB ECC 2667 MHz ram, or 64 GiB non-ECC
- Up to Nvidia Quadro P2000 4 GiB (Pascal)
- Up to 2 TB NVME SSD
- Up to 4K 15" display
HP ZBook 17:
- Up to Xeon E-2186M CPU (6 cores/12 threads, 2.9 to 4.0 GHz)
- 64 GiB ECC 2400 MHz ram, or 128 GiB non-ECC
- Up to Nvidia Quadro P5200 16 GiB (Pascal)
- Up to two 2 TB NVME SSDs, plus 2.5 SATA
- Up to 4K 17.3" display
HP Z2 Mini:
- Up to Xeon E-2176G CPU (6 cores/12 threads, 3.7 to 4.7 GHz)
- 32 GiB ECC or non-ECC 2667 MHz ram
- Up to Nvidia Quadro P1000 4 GiB (Pascal) or ATI Pro WX4150 4 GiB
- Up to 2 TB NVME SSDs, plus 2.5 SATA
- Bring your own display
- 58x216x216mm (2.7L) (MP6,1 is twice as big at 5.5L)
I wasn't worried about being wrong. And, if showing examples of a laptop and HP's Mac Mini is all of you have, then... I was technically wrong, yes. But, I don't feel wrong.
Apple knows that they can lead and dictate to the consumer market but not the professional market who tend to know what they want and are more informed. Yet they want the marketing cachet of the pro space hence their liberal use of the "pro" label and faux pro products.
Apple has created this consumer computing device market that is more about fashion than anything else and they have exploited it brilliantly. Apparently, beautiful objects with middling (perhaps essential might be a better term?) functionality are enormously attractive and profitable for Apple. And I, too, am attracted to some of those products but often it is not enough for me. So, like Dr. Stealth, I will most likely replace my cMP with a PC workstation like one of those HP Z machines that Aiden has referenced but keep a toe in Apple with, say, a laptop and iPhone. (not sure about a mini, though, as those HP Z2 machines look awfully attractive with ECC Ram even!).
Apple has created this consumer computing device market that is more about fashion than anything else and they have exploited it brilliantly. Apparently, beautiful objects with middling (perhaps essential might be a better term?) functionality are enormously attractive and profitable for Apple. And I, too, am attracted to some of those products but often it is not enough for me. So, like Dr. Stealth, I will most likely replace my cMP with a PC workstation like one of those HP Z machines that Aiden has referenced but keep a toe in Apple with, say, a laptop and iPhone. (not sure about a mini, though, as those HP Z2 machines look awfully attractive with ECC Ram even!).
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Exactly like this....
I replaced my 2010 5,1 cMP with a custom built PC Workstation (Apple made me do it). I wasn't ready to completely give up on macOS (I still like it, even though new emojis are enough to make me puke) so I bought the 2018 Mini (as my secondary computer) and have it tied to my workstation with a KVM switch. As Apple introduces more iOS features into macOS this will soon fade away. So, now I do all my real work on the PC workstation with Win 10 (my primary computer) and flip to the mini for my macOS fix, web browsing, email & light tasks. See Sig.
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You really should do a little homework before making claims like that.
HP ZBook Studio:
- Up to Xeon E-2186M CPU (6 cores/12 threads, 2.9 to 4.0 GHz)
- 32 GiB ECC 2667 MHz ram, or 64 GiB non-ECC
- Up to Nvidia Quadro P2000 4 GiB (Pascal)
- Up to 2 TB NVME SSD
- Up to 4K 15" display
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Impressive workstations. However, they don't run Mac OS, and at the end that's what it's all about, isn't it?