did you go from 10.6.5 to 10.6.7
or 10.6.6 to 10.6.7
and did you download the full update from Apples website or use the updater
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>>30% loss of gaming performance after 10.6.7
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did you go from 10.6.5 to 10.6.7
or 10.6.6 to 10.6.7
and did you download the full update from Apples website or use the updater
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In my case, I went from 10.6.6 to 10.6.7 using the full update from Apple's web site. I have an 11" 1.6GHz MacBook Air and do not have the iTunes issue. I don't game so I don't have any frame rates. If someone can point me to a site where I can perform some tests (other than XBench, which I've posted), I'd be happy to do so tonight when I'm back at my Mac.
I just did another Xbench
Quartz Graphics Test 112.82
Line 100.23 6.67 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 117.77 35.16 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 103.78 8.46 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 121.61 3.07 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 125.17 7.83 Kchars/sec
Spinning Squares 91.91 116.59 frames/sec
Quartz Graphics Test 112.82
Line 100.23 6.67 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 117.77 35.16 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 103.78 8.46 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 121.61 3.07 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 125.17 7.83 Kchars/sec
Spinning Squares 91.91 116.59 frames/sec
MBA 13" ultimate - I've seen zero difference in SC2 frame rates since the upgrade...
Same. No difference with Source games either. XBench is a synthetic benchmark and has been broken before so I would not necessarily go by that.
Just spent the night testing this issue
I put in my USB stick and erase & installed to a clean 10.6.5
Then I installed SC2 and updated it to the latest version
Disk permissions were fixed before and after every update whilst in safe-mode
here are the results:
SC2 fully updated to 1.3.0 running at medium settings and at native resolution
10.6.5 USB restore with no updates = 33fps
10.6.6 combo update = 34fps
10.6.7 combo update = 7fps
10.6.7 combo and everything else on software update iTunes 10.2.1 etc = 7fps
Im going back to 10.6.6 until they issue a fix for this
I put in my USB stick and erase & installed to a clean 10.6.5
Then I installed SC2 and updated it to the latest version
Disk permissions were fixed before and after every update whilst in safe-mode
here are the results:
SC2 fully updated to 1.3.0 running at medium settings and at native resolution
10.6.5 USB restore with no updates = 33fps
10.6.6 combo update = 34fps
10.6.7 combo update = 7fps
10.6.7 combo and everything else on software update iTunes 10.2.1 etc = 7fps
Im going back to 10.6.6 until they issue a fix for this
GreyMatta, can you test it with the latest fix apple just released before going back to 10.6.6?
thanks
thanks
Well, thats pretty hard to argue with. But some of us are not seeing an issue.
Just spent the night testing this issue
I put in my USB stick and erase & installed to a clean 10.6.5
Then I installed SC2 and updated it to the latest version
Disk permissions were fixed before and after every update whilst in safe-mode
here are the results:
SC2 fully updated to 1.3.0 running at medium settings and at native resolution
10.6.5 USB restore with no updates = 33fps
10.6.6 combo update = 34fps
10.6.7 combo update = 7fps
10.6.7 combo and everything else on software update iTunes 10.2.1 etc = 7fps
Im going back to 10.6.6 until they issue a fix for this
Now that we know that iTunes issue was fixed....i think it's important to know how gaming performance is after this fix (i think that fix only fixes permissions but you never know...)...because that's not an issue for them and as it won't be solved i will return to 10.6.6 to be able to play once in a while whenever i feel like it....so if you gamers could give some feedback on it it would be very much aprecciated.
Yeah...sorry...didnt notice you were on an 11. Still it probably wont fix anything in that matter...gonna have to make my own tests....lol
Just a note - I read people that have crippled game performance but still Xbench results are the same. Everyone who are posting xbench results - please try to install some 3d-game and try it again.
Greymatta - thx for the numbers, nice testing!
Greymatta - thx for the numbers, nice testing!
WoW Performance
I've noticed no degradation playing WoW with the patch.
Running at 2560x1600, low detail for most settings.. fair for a few others.. still get a consistent 30+ fps.
I haven't undocked to see the native resolution performance.. but I'm sure its the same.
I've noticed no degradation playing WoW with the patch.
Running at 2560x1600, low detail for most settings.. fair for a few others.. still get a consistent 30+ fps.
I haven't undocked to see the native resolution performance.. but I'm sure its the same.
Dragon Age frame rates killed too
Another 11" MacBook Air owner with a massive frame rate hit here, but for me it's in Dragon Age (Origins, not the just-released 2)
I don't have any numbers, but I was playing happily on medium settings, with only some slowdowns in really intense battles. After the update (used the combo update), Dragon Age is now utterly unplayable. If set every setting to low, set the res down to 1024x640 and even then I get what I presume are single digit frame rates in every part of the world.
I'm staying with 10.6.6 for a while, at the very least until I finish DAO.
Another 11" MacBook Air owner with a massive frame rate hit here, but for me it's in Dragon Age (Origins, not the just-released 2)
I don't have any numbers, but I was playing happily on medium settings, with only some slowdowns in really intense battles. After the update (used the combo update), Dragon Age is now utterly unplayable. If set every setting to low, set the res down to 1024x640 and even then I get what I presume are single digit frame rates in every part of the world.
I'm staying with 10.6.6 for a while, at the very least until I finish DAO.
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Software update.
Something weird is going on here. How can some people go from 30+ fps to single digits and others see literally no change?
KPOM said:MBA 13" ultimate - I've seen zero difference in SC2 frame rates since the upgrade...
Did you use Software Update or download the full installation file from Apple's website?
Software update.
Something weird is going on here. How can some people go from 30+ fps to single digits and others see literally no change?
The strange thing is I updated to 10.6.7 as soon as it came out and my SC2 fps went up to about 40. I decided a few days later to clean up my system with a fresh install from the USB drive supplied. (bad move)
I have tried loads of different configurations and methods of updating to 10.6.7 again but without the loss of performance and none of them have worked (I am stuck at 7-8fps unless I go back to 10.6.6)
I have even loaded graphics drivers from 10.6.6 etc
Why did I have to reinstall
as the saying goes "If it aint broke - fix it until it is"
Fixed it
Im on 10.6.7 and getting 40fps on SC2
I had to reinstall from the USB Drive again
10.6.5 to 10.6.6 using the update from Apples website (non-combo)
10.6.6 to 10.6.7 again using the update from Apples website (non-combo)
only after doing the updates from Apple did I use the Software Update app
I think the key is using the non-combo separate updates from the download section of Apples website
Im on 10.6.7 and getting 40fps on SC2
I had to reinstall from the USB Drive again
10.6.5 to 10.6.6 using the update from Apples website (non-combo)
10.6.6 to 10.6.7 again using the update from Apples website (non-combo)
only after doing the updates from Apple did I use the Software Update app
I think the key is using the non-combo separate updates from the download section of Apples website
Fixed it
Im on 10.6.7 and getting 40fps on SC2
I had to reinstall from the USB Drive again
10.6.5 to 10.6.6 using the update from Apples website (non-combo)
10.6.6 to 10.6.7 again using the update from Apples website (non-combo)
only after doing the updates from Apple did I use the Software Update app
I think the key is using the non-combo separate updates from the download section of Apples website
Congratulations! Thanks for all the legwork and testing you did to figure it out.
For those of us currently on 10.6.6, would you recommend we simply upgrade to 10.6.7 using the non-combo patch downloaded from Apple's website?
I'd like to know as well. I went back to 10.6.6 and wouldn't mind upgrading if I knew it would work.
I guess it would work?
try it out.
if it doesn't work you can restore to 10.6.5 and then do the two separate updatesgood luck
The regular update is for people updating from the previous build (e.g. 10.6.6 to 10.6.7). The combo update will update any installation of OS X 10.6 to the latest build (e.g. 10.6.5 to 10.6.7). It appears that there are fewer issues with 10.6.7 if you apply the non-combo updates. Naturally, if you are running 10.6.4 or 10.6.5 (e.g. you did a clean install from your USB recovery key), you will need to update to each level manually.
You are correct that the supplemental update needs to be applied separately, after updating to 10.6.7.
They are all available here:
http://support.apple.com/downloads/#macosx106