MP All Models 40 core ASI with PCI-E slot is around the corner!!

[jscipione]

Typically Apple unveils new product categories in April for example the iMac Pro in April 2017 and the Apple Watch in April 2015. So an April event may mean Apple Glasses or another new product category. Apple could release new MacBooks before the event in March and the Mac Pro is still anyones guess.

 

[Mago]

Typically Apple unveils new product categories in April for example the iMac Pro in April 2017 and the Apple Watch in April 2015. So an April event may mean Apple Glasses or another new product category. Apple could release new MacBooks before the event in March and the Mac Pro is still anyones guess.

Another back-mirror prophet...😂

 

[spaz8]

If we expect an M3 Max/Ultra ASi Mac Pro then we have to assume convention is broken by Apple and the top end M3 chips arrive with or before the low end

 

[Mago]

If we expect an M3 Max/Ultra ASi Mac Pro then we have to assume convention is broken by Apple and the top end M3 chips arrive with or before the low end

Or (miracles happens) m3 goes ultra chiplet+bridges like AMD Ryzen, indeed from day zero Apple could deliver which ever m3 mixture, with (1/2+4)cores chiplets combined from basic m3 to 2x, 4x, 8x chiplets (8+32).

But I believe apple wants a SOC family like Ax-bionic they could scroll among less value lines as ipads.

 

[Amethyst]

I have some information regard Mac Pro.

- They have try to push M2 Ultra P-core to run around 4.2 GHz
- it success, but with much more power consumption.
- Mac Pro thermal heatsink can be easily handle that heat outputs.
- Doesn't decided that how the final spec will be.

 

[Boil]

I have some information regard Mac Pro.

Yes please...!

- They have try to push M2 Ultra P-core to run around 4.2 GHz

4.20GHz, nice...! ;^p

One might assume the GPU cores are clocked higher as well...?

- it success, but with much more power consumption.

Not a problem with a stationary headless desktop that is always plugged in to the mains...

- Mac Pro thermal heat sink can be easily handle that heat outputs.

I kinda figured a variant of the 2019 Intel Mac Pro heat sink would be used; change the cold plate to match the Mn Ultra (Mn Extreme) SoC, maybe a tuning change to the fin array...?

- Doesn't decided that how the final spec will be.

Sounds good to me; now we just need info on PCIe & TB specs (Gen5 & TB5...?), and info on the possibility of ASi (GP)GPUs would be sweet... ;^p

 

[avro707]

I have some information regard Mac Pro.

- They have try to push M2 Ultra P-core to run around 4.2 GHz
- it success, but with much more power consumption.
- Mac Pro thermal heatsink can be easily handle that heat outputs.
- Doesn't decided that how the final spec will be.

Interesting info and a good counterpoint to the arguments between the Intel and ASI camps on what the Mac Pro should be.

Much more power consumption still in the acceptable range we are used to already?

 

[innerproduct]

Overclocking from 3.5 to 4.2 is just 20% uplift. And assuming that clock uplift goes for the GPU as well and the m2max can provide about 15 TF 32F at about 3.5 Ghz then a mac pro m2ultra at best delivers about 35 TF. About the same as a last gen nvidia card or a single 6800 duo. All in all, a downgrade from current mp2019 when it comes to max gpu capacity. This should be the updates studio, not a mac pro. Surely apple must have a better solution planned for gpu capacity.
If the studio m1ultra was the replacement for 16 cores and a 5700. The above rumored machine, would in short be a faster solution than a 2019 28 core xeon coupled with a 6800 duo and could b marketed that way. So replacing a old machine (over)priced at about 20000$ with something in the 10000$ range. But with no expansion for ram and gpu, it would just not be the same class of computer. And it would not stand a chance if compared to PCs for intensive compute and rendering tasks. Matching last gen gaming Pc perf with a high end WS offering just won’t cut it. Surely Apple is aware and in the case this is the best they can so at present, they’ll have to spin quite a narrative 😂

 

[Boil]

Overclocking from 3.5 to 4.2 is just 20% uplift. And assuming that clock uplift goes for the GPU as well and the m2max can provide about 15 TF 32F at about 3.5 Ghz then a mac pro m2ultra at best delivers about 35 TF. About the same as a last gen nvidia card or a single 6800 duo. All in all, a downgrade from current mp2019 when it comes to max gpu capacity. This should be the updates studio, not a mac pro. Surely apple must have a better solution planned for gpu capacity.
If the studio m1ultra was the replacement for 16 cores and a 5700. The above rumored machine, would in short be a faster solution than a 2019 28 core xeon coupled with a 6800 duo and could b marketed that way. So replacing a old machine (over)priced at about 20000$ with something in the 10000$ range. But with no expansion for ram and gpu, it would just not be the same class of computer. And it would not stand a chance if compared to PCs for intensive compute and rendering tasks. Matching last gen gaming Pc perf with a high end WS offering just won’t cut it. Surely Apple is aware and in the case this is the best they can so at present, they’ll have to spin quite a narrative 😂

All that is assuming the ASi Mac Pro will debut with the M2 Ultra, when it very well may debut with the M3 Ultra...?

 

[MacHeritage]

I have some information regard Mac Pro.

- They have try to push M2 Ultra P-core to run around 4.2 GHz
- it success, but with much more power consumption.
- Mac Pro thermal heatsink can be easily handle that heat outputs.
- Doesn't decided that how the final spec will be.

Well, I sure hope there is more then that in the final product because just one Ultra, even upclocked, I don't see it replacing the 2019 Mac Pro. If that is all they have, I would feel good about having purchased the 2019 one (if I had, that is). Also, long term stability is also a concern. That kind of chip running 24/7 at full load for a few years...

 

[goMac]

No, thunderbolt support just an kernel add-on, you don't need to move to an more complex and bigger OS when you don't need all that functionality, iOS officially "don't support" thunderbolt is an hardware thing (no iPhone yet includes USB4) not an kernel restrictions, both macOS, ipadOS and iOS shares same XNU kernel and Device Kit driver model, indeed both can run each other specific hardware as long provided with device drivers and boot image for the CPU architecture (yes you actually could run macOS at you iPad, iPhone (if an m1/m2 iPhone its released)).

Technically Thunderbolt is implemented at a kernel level through kernel extensions, not through Device Kit. But same thing. iOS, iPad OS and macOS all share the same kernel and same driver architecture.

iOS/iPad OS/macOS aren’t drifting apart at all. They’re closer in implementation than they ever have been.

 

[Mago]

They have try to push M2 Ultra P-core to run around 4.2 GHz

Consistent with modest oc, but imiss M2 Extreme, btw expect about 30 TFlop fp32 (ultra) and about 57 TFlop (extreme), still way below an Intel-nvidia gaming PC (16c 32t+rtx4090 close to 100 TFlop) near a year old configuration from the main rival.

Only stronghold for ASi Mac Pro to be cryptography as likely to reach 80-100k points twice as the fastest Xeon platinum.

 

[Boil]

Consistent with modest oc, but imiss M2 Extreme, btw expect about 30 TFlop fp32 (ultra) and about 57 TFlop (extreme), still way below an Intel-nvidia gaming PC (16c 32t+rtx4090 close to 100 TFlop) near a year old configuration from the main rival

ASi (GP)GPUs could be the answer...

MPX provisions x16 in the main slot & x8 in the secondary (main for GPU, secondary for TB, both Gen3); maybe we see MPX 2.0, no TB, but both slots are x16 Gen5...?

Either that, or a fall-back to the Mn Ultra /"Extreme" SoCs on a daughtercard as well as the ASi (GP)GPUs, and three SuperDuperUltraHighSpeed connectors on the backplane for said daughtercards...?

 

[Mago]

ASi (GP)GPUs could be the answer...

MPX provisions x16 in the main slot & x8 in the secondary (main for GPU, secondary for TB, both Gen3); maybe we see MPX 2.0, no TB, but both slots are x16 Gen5...?

Either that, or a fall-back to the Mn Ultra /"Extreme" SoCs on a daughtercard as well as the ASi (GP)GPUs, and three SuperDuperUltraHighSpeed connectors on the backplane for said daughtercards...?

I believe MPX just to carry, basically updated for PCIe5 ages (likely removing that x8 extension)

 

[theorist9]

I have some information regard Mac Pro.

- They have try to push M2 Ultra P-core to run around 4.2 GHz
- it success, but with much more power consumption.
- Mac Pro thermal heatsink can be easily handle that heat outputs.
- Doesn't decided that how the final spec will be.

Based on Primate's GB6 benchmark for the M2 Max MBP (3.66 GHz), 4.2 GHz should give a GB6 single-core score of:

2747 * 4.2/3.66 = 3152

This would be 3152/3044 = 3.5% faster than the fastest processor listed on Primate's site (i9-13900KS, which is a 6.0 GHz/328 W special gaming edition of the i9-13900K, and Intel's fastest SC CPU), and 3152/2935 = 7% faster than the i9-13900K. [For single-core performance.]

It would make sense for Apple to target 4.2 GHz, since that would enable them to boast the MP has the fastest SC performance of any production CPU (i.e., one not subsequently overclocked).

Further, if this CPU can maintain a good fraction of its SC clock speed when all cores are active, it could post a truly impressive MC score, exceeding any consumer processor available today, and also providing competition to what will probably be the fastest (for MC) workstation CPU, the upcoming 56-core Sapphire Rapids Xeon (while trouncing that in SC performance, since the Xeons always sacrifice SC for MC).

 

[Boil]

Some interesting commentary going on over in this thread...

Any thoughts towards these new revelations, @Amethyst

Seems to hold to the blazingly fast M2 Ultra outlined here, and maybe the 7,1 chassis has just been a test platform to keep the new chassis under wraps until the reveal...?

 

[Mago]

Some interesting commentary going on over in this thread...

Any thoughts towards these new revelations, @Amethyst

Seems to hold to the blazingly fast M2 Ultra outlined here, and maybe the 7,1 chassis has just been a test platform to keep the new chassis under wraps until the reveal...?

Actually this thread tipped me on m2 overclock, my sources are about availability, and general design, while Apple likely toying with m2 clock to improve ASi barely competitive on workstation category performance.

 

[Mago]

I believe @Amethyst source is among those developing drivers for 3rd GPU, i bet my pot and beers are stock AMD instinct GPUs on MPX modules.

 

[Boil]

I believe @Amethyst source is among those developing drivers for (1) - 3rd GPU, i bet my pot and beers are (2) - stock AMD instinct GPUs on MPX modules.

(1) - as in third-party...?

(2) - well, that should provide a good bit of GPU power, and @deconstruct60 has been mentioning the MI210 fairly regularly...

 

[Mago]

(1) - as in third-party...?

(2) - well, that should provide a good bit of GPU power, and @deconstruct60 has been mentioning the MI210 fairly regularly...

Yes, AMD never burned the ships to Cupertino, just don't expect USB4 eGPU, support only thru MPX modules, dec is not speculating, he's not a leaker neither a clown, just bring his reality check POV, often very accurate, I praises him respect.

 

[Boil]

Latest Prototype Mac Pro is now based on 24 Core M2 and 192GB <<Unified Memory.>>
Prototype board is allocate in 7,1 Case with More than 1 PCI-E Slot, <<my pay tell me that 6 pci-e++>>
GPU is now show it's name in system preference. but not working properly.
Still no ram slot.

PS. That latest Mac Pro include beefy SoC thermal cooler.

Ok i've to explain an info about third-party GPU and PCI-E.

As my workflow heavily based on GPU, so the question about next mac
i've ask my friend is mainly point to GPUs thing.
So he tell me that all the thing to support 3rd party GPU is on the table.
the card is found on Mac, the pci-e slot is spot on <<every>> Mac pro prototype,
the driver is only last jigsaw to find.

In nutshell he tell me that if Apple want to support 3rd party GPU on AS,
it can available in just matter of days.

In the other hand, he believed that a next Mac Pro GPU option can make me
satisfied so i will not ask him about 3rd party GPU support again,
as well as majority of Mac Pro user.

But, all of an information i've got is come from my friend who works on many of <<PROTOTYPE>> machine.

Only things i can really confirm that is Mac Pro still in works now it contains monster of chip, has 6 PCI-E lanes and all packed in current 7,1 case.

BTW, there are some stage which my friends can confirm what final product will be (such as Mac Studio) and when that time comes, first place i will post my recieved information is here.

3 months later, and this still be currently latest in-development mac pro.

7,1 case, 6 pci-e slot, no ram slot.

as my pal have told me that their team have to launch MONSTER of CHIP for next mac pro for sake of making large step ahead of the others in Workstation market, so i think only 24 core CPU seem not enough (7000 amd threadripper and intel sapphire rapid is on the way)

I fully believed that we will see at lease 4*M2 max chip in 8,1 mac pro.

I have some information regard Mac Pro.

- They have try to push M2 Ultra P-core to run around 4.2 GHz
- it success, but with much more power consumption.
- Mac Pro thermal heatsink can be easily handle that heat outputs.
- Doesn't decided that how the final spec will be.

I believe @Amethyst source is among those developing drivers for 3rd GPU, i bet my pot and beers are stock AMD instinct GPUs on MPX modules.

Yes, AMD never burned the ships to Cupertino, just don't expect USB4 eGPU, support only thru MPX modules, dec is not speculating, he's not a leaker neither a clown, just bring his reality check POV, often very accurate, I praises him respect.

So, to sum it up...?

• M2 Ultra SoC with higher clocks
• Possible M2 Extreme SoC
• Six PCIe slots
• AMD MI200-series derived MPX accelerator options
• New chassis with lesser volume than the 7,1 Cheesegrater 2.0

 

[Mago]

So, to sum it up...?

• M2 Ultra SoC with higher clocks
• Possible M2 Extreme SoC
• Six PCIe slots
• AMD MI200-series derived MPX accelerator options
• New chassis with lesser volume than the 7,1 Cheesegrater 2.0

4-5 pcie slots, unless the M2-Ultra/extreme resides inside an MPX module in an Lego-like Mac Pro (i discard)

 

[Boil]

4-5 pcie slots, unless the M2-Ultra/extreme resides inside an MPX module in an Lego-like Mac Pro (i discard)

(i discard) = as in I disagree, or...?

Main system SoC on a card would make upgrading down the road feasible...?

Is it April 4th yet...?!? ;^p

 

[jscipione]

Mac Pro is going to be a Mac mini with even more cores and an even bigger heatsink than Mac Studio.

 

[majus]

Is it April 4th yet...?!? ;^p

I had originally thought March 7, 28 or April 4 were the best bets for a Mac Pro announcement. Having read the latest rumors and news, my thought now is that March 28 is the most likely date.