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No, it's not reasonable to compare the BlackMagic eGPU + mini with a Z440 and I don't think it's unfair because it illustrates your point.

I think it's unfair because it is a fact that there are 15 to 20 other eGPU options available, most of which came before the BlackMagic, and all of which take up less space combined with the mini compared to the Z440. You took the one single eGPU that is large enough to fit your argument and used the "because Apple endorses/sells it" reasoning. You chose the BlackMagic because it is the only eGPU that illustrates your point. If you use any others your argument fails.
As previously stated I selected the Blackmagic eGPU because it is what Apple promotes on their website. Because Apple does so a lot of people are going to choose it over other options.

Having said that I did ask you which Sonnet eGPU solution you have. I didn't see you provide a specific model number so I am going to chose what popped up first on Google:

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/egfx-breakaway-box.html

This solution measures 7.25" wide x 13.38" deep consuming a total of ~97 sq/in. Combine that with the Mini's ~59 sq/in and you have a total desk space consumption of ~156 sq/in. And this is without any "wasted" space. The Z440 consumes a total of ~116 sq/in. Thus the Z440 consumes ~ 40 sq/in less than these two components. If this is not the solution you have please provide the exact model so I can evaluate it. Regardless it shows that the Blackmagic eGPU solution isn't the only solution which "fits my argument".


As for all the accessories you claim consume no more space than the Z440 plus monitor, mouse, keyboard, etc., I still disagree.
You're not using a monitor, mouse, or keyboard with your Mini? If you are then why are you specifically calling attention to them with the Z440


I have the mini; Sonnet Breakaway Box eGPU; two small portable 4TB drives that take half the space of the mini combined; one portable USB C adapter for SD cards, etc., that fits in the palm of my hand; a portable disc drive that I don't even keep plugged in but keep in a drawer because it is only used once or twice per year; a bluetooth Apple keyboard; and a bluetooth Apple trackpad.

I haven't measured the space of any of those things put together but I would argue they take a lot less space than a Z440 with its keyboard, mouse, and any other accessories.
Perhaps you should do so (not sure why you'd include keyboard / mouse / trackpad when they're used by both systems and thus would be a wash), you might be surprised. Your target is ~116 sq/in of diskspace (for now I'll ignore all the extra cabling and power requirements your solutions require).

Plus I haven't even touched upon the fact that all of those external accessories are quickly swappable on other devices. That's why I love and prefer them over internal. If you want to use the GPU in your Z440 with your laptop or other computer, can you do so easily? I can with my eGPU. I come home, unplug the Sonnet from the mini, plug it into my MBP, and I am ready to go. Can you take that optical drive and card reader from your Z440 and easily use it with other devices such as laptops?
Yes, I can easily plug in all kinds of things to the USB ports on the system. If I need a portable hard drive I can plug it into a USB port (or a Thunderbolt port if I should want to add that to the Z440). I have the option of using external things if external is a requirement.

It's super easy for me to share these accessories with other devices, and that's another thing that, for me and my use case, works well. The USBC adapter and disc drive stay in the drawer. When I need one, I use it and toss it back in the drawer. When my wife needs one for her MacBook, she does the same.
I could do the same...if I wanted. Nothing stopping me from doing so.

Anyway, I've already spent too much time on this! We all have different use cases and different needs. Different products meet those needs. For some, a Z440. For others, a mini. I find there's no more need to argue over what people believe are the right choice. What's right for me is wrong for you and vice versa. You aren't going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you. Which is fine! Let's move on.
I am not trying to change your mind. What you have works for you. What I am saying is that Apple's focus on only external expansion doesn't appear to save much, if any, deskspace over a small to medium sized tower. Thus I would like them to offer such a form factor for my use case (which I do not consider rare). The argument that external expansion is better doesn't hold water for a lot of use cases. Thus for people like me I would like them to offer an alternative. But they don't. The Mini with an ePGU is the only modern Mac solution which doesn't force people with my use case to buy a screen. For people with my use case it's an inelegant solution which doesn't appear to save mcuh, if any, deskspace and has a bunch of drawbacks. So when I read people say "You don't need PCIe slots because Macs have TB3 ports" I have to take issue with it for a few of the reasons I've mentioned.
 
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Thus I will not be one of those "sensitive" types to block all your interactions. However, when you routinely beat the proverbial dead horse.

Sometimes the dead horse deserves to be beaten over and over for its misdeeds.
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I just bought the current i5 NUC (NUC8I5BEH): It's fan is quite annoying.

I am reading a lot of reviews about the NUC on various sites and it
seems that the "BEH" (H=High?) has noisy fans while the half-height
"BEK" NUCS have quieter fans. Some reviews state the BEK is very
quiet unless it's under a full load. The snazzylabs guy emailed me
that his BEH build is pretty quiet in normal use.
 
I am reading a lot of reviews about the NUC on various sites and it
seems that the "BEH" (H=High?) has noisy fans while the half-height
"BEK" NUCS have quieter fans. Some reviews state the BEK is very
quiet unless it's under a full load. The snazzylabs guy emailed me
that his BEH build is pretty quiet in normal use.
I have a half height gen 7 model which I find puts the fan into jet engine mode whenever it's under full-load. Full load in this context means 2 secs.
 
I have a half height gen 7 model which I find puts the fan into jet engine mode whenever it's under full-load. Full load in this context means 2 secs.

Interesting, so you have the "BEK" version of the NUC ?

Also, the reviews I read say the I7 is just too much for for the NUC's
small case and heat builds up fast. The I5 builds are the only reviews
that say the fan isn't bad under normal use.

I've had a 2018 MacMini I5 for 2 weeks now and I will be returning it to
BestBuy soon.

I am considering building a NUC i5 BEK as a little project and selling it
used if I decide it's not for me.

If the NUC fails to please I'll just keep my 2017 Macbook Pro with discrete
Radeon Pro 555. (And deal with the stupid dongles, cable mess, and
large foot print)
 
...Apple's decision to solder the SSD to the main board....


If we could all but directly have the Interwebs welded into our main boards . . . using PCIex4 in 2019 is like buying stepped-on Peruvian Pink in 1992.

It's just the co$t of doing Business <smile>

Regards, splifingate
 
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Interesting, so you have the "BEK" version of the NUC ?

Also, the reviews I read say the I7 is just too much for for the NUC's
small case and heat builds up fast. The I5 builds are the only reviews
that say the fan isn't bad under normal use.

I've had a 2018 MacMini I5 for 2 weeks now and I will be returning it to
BestBuy soon.

I am considering building a NUC i5 BEK as a little project and selling it
used if I decide it's not for me.

If the NUC fails to please I'll just keep my 2017 Macbook Pro with discrete
Radeon Pro 555. (And deal with the stupid dongles, cable mess, and
large foot print)
One of these:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/boards-kits/nuc/kits/nuc7i5bnk.html
 
my choice is mini 2018 core i3 due to stability, apple design, ports, expanding options with eGPU, clustering and so on and on .. :)
 
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Running that exact model in the link.

So you are using the same Gen8 NUC that snazzylabs used which includes a
Gen8 Intel Mobile i5 Processor with turbo boost from a base 2.3GHZ to 3.8GHZ?

I think some NUC models used desktop processors which produce way too much
heat and trigger the fans a lot. Also, the I7 seems to be a real problem with the
NUC because it also generates way too much heat. The I5 mobile processor
seems to be the gem that runs quiet yet still beats the 2018 Mini I3 under load due
to a higher clock and 60% faster Iris Pro graphics.
 
So you are using the same Gen8 NUC that snazzylabs used which includes a
Gen8 Intel Mobile i5 Processor with turbo boost from a base 2.3GHZ to 3.8GHZ?

I think some NUC models used desktop processors which produce way too much
heat and trigger the fans a lot. Also, the I7 seems to be a real problem with the
NUC because it also generates way too much heat. The I5 mobile processor
seems to be the gem that runs quiet yet still beats the 2018 Mini I3 under load due
to a higher clock and 60% faster Iris Pro graphics.
The literature claims it's a Intel Core i5-7260U which is a mobile chip I believe. I could be wrong.
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my choice is mini 2018 core i3 due to stability, apple design, ports, expanding options with eGPU, clustering and so on and on .. :)
Yeah I bought the NUC but bought a 2018 Mini too. They're very nice machines!
 
The literature claims it's a Intel Core i5-7260U which is a mobile chip I believe. I could be wrong.
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Yeah I bought the NUC but bought a 2018 Mini too. They're very nice machines!

I might not even try the NUC Gen8 build since it's Iris Pro IGP may still be sloppy compared
to the discrete Radeon Pro 555. Building a NUC would be fun, but I have found there is no
replacement for discrete graphics. Things just look better with Radeon.

I am back to sitting tight using my 2017 Macbook Pro with Radeon as a dedicated desktop
driving a single 27" monitor.. For me it never heats up more than gentle warm and the fans
never come on. The toughest workout it gets is playing MAME emulated games, watching a
1080P mkv movie file, or surfing the web with chrome.

Maybe I just need to get a new desk that will allow me to strap the laptop vertically
to the backside of the desk and off the top surface. Good Luck dogslobber !!
 
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