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SFStateStudent

macrumors 604
Aug 28, 2007
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San Francisco California, USA
Let me see, I was involved in the following class action suits:

Viacom Cable TV my award = $2.55, well worth the wait of four years

Lenscrafters my award = $150 in the form of two $75 vouchers (not the same as cash) and that was after a five year wait. Let's see I've used Lenscrafters five times in the last seven years; spending at least $750 each of those visits for an average total of $3750-$150=$3600, I think I'm still getting the raw end of the payout.

Sprint my award = $15, gosh, another winner for the little guy? (I received the $15 four years after I joined AT&T). Let's see I was with them for ten years for cable TV, cellular and local/long distance at about $2500 per year times ten years equals $25,000; am I missing something? $25,000-$15=$24,985!

Needless to say, I don't believe that Class Action Suits on my behalf are beneficial to anyone but the attorneys/lawyers...
 

The Reverend

macrumors member
Original poster
Jan 21, 2009
74
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CA
Trying to get documents online

So, there's no link? The records aren't online? I'm not wasting my time calling anybody or driving all the way from Colorado to Sacramento. I give up.

You can also write to the court house to get the documents.

I'll see what i can do to get them all online.

I can't attach or load any of them here.
 

The Reverend

macrumors member
Original poster
Jan 21, 2009
74
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CA
Copy of the Complaint- first half

here is a copy of the Complaint as it was filed. I tried to copy it as good as i could, but there could be small typos'.

For a real copy, contact Sacramento Superior Court

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PETER M. HART, Esq. (California Bar No. 198691)
LAW OFFICES OF PETER M. HART
13952 Bora Bora Way, F-320
Marina Del Rey, CA 90292
Telephone: (310) 478-5789
Facsimile: (509) 561-6441

KENNETH H. YOON (California Bar No. 198443)
LAW OFFICES OF KENNETH H. YOON
One Wilshire Blvd., Suite 2200
Los Angeles, CA 90017
(213) 612-0988
(213) 947-1211 facsimile

Attorneys for Plaintiff Miles Maria


SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
FOR THE COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO

MILES MARIA, as an individual and on behalf of others similarly situated,

Plaintiffs,
vs.

APPLE COMPUTER, a California corporation; APPLE, INC., a California corporation; and DOES 1 through 50, inclusive,

Defendants. Case No.:

CLASS ACTION

COMPLAINT FOR DAMAGES AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF FOR:
(1) FAILURE TO PAY OVERTIME WAGES;
(2) VIOLATION OF LABOR CODE § 203;
(3) VIOLATION OF LABOR CODE § 226;
(4) UNFAIR BUSINESS PRACTICES (Violation of California Business & Professions Code §17200 et seq.).

DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL

Plaintiff Miles Maria (hereinafter referred to as “Plaintiff”), hereby submit his Class Action Complaint against Defendants APPLE COMPUTER, INC. and APPLE, INC. and Does 1-20 (hereinafter collectively referred to as “DEFENDANTS”) on behalf of themselves and the class of others similarly situated current and former employees of DEFENDANTS for overtime wages owed, waiting time penalties, and penalties or damages for failure to keep accurate records, as follows:


INTRODUCTION
1. This class action is within the Court’s jurisdiction under California Labor Code §§ 201-204, 226, 1194, and California Business and Professions Code § 17200, et seq., (Unfair Practices Act).

2. This complaint challenges systemic illegal employment practices resulting in violations of the California Labor Code and Business and Professions Code against employees of DEFENDANTS.

3. Plaintiff is informed and believes and based thereon alleges DEFENDANTS, joint and severally have acted intentionally and with deliberate indifference and conscious disregard to the rights of all employees in receiving all overtime wages due at the proper rate of overtime pay, all final wages due upon termination of employment, and in connection with DEFENDANTS’ failure to keep all proper pay roll records of Plaintiff and Class Members.

4. Plaintiff is informed and believes and based thereon alleges DEFENDANTS have engaged in, among other things a system of willful violations of the California Labor Code, Business and Professions Code and applicable IWC wage orders by creating and maintaining policies, practices and customs that knowingly deny employees the above stated rights and benefits.

5. The policies, practices and customs of defendants described above and below have resulted in unjust enrichment of DEFENDANTS and an unfair business advantage over businesses that routinely adhere to the strictures of the California Labor Code, Business and Professions Code.

JURISDICTION AND VENUE

6. The Court has jurisdiction over the violations of the California Labor Code §§ 201-204, 226, 1194 and California Business and Professions Code § 17200, et seq., (Unfair Practices Act).

7. Venue is proper because the DEFENDANTS do business in Los Angeles County and the acts alleged herein took place in Sacramento County.
PARTIES

8. Plaintiff MILES MARIA was employed by DEFENDANTS until on or about May 2006 and has resided within the jurisdiction of this Court at all relevant times. Plaintiff was and is the victim of the policies, practices and customs of DEFENDANTS complained of in this action in ways that have deprived him of the rights guaranteed to him by California Labor Code §§ 201-204, 226, 1194, and California Business and Professions Code §17200, et seq., (Unfair Practices Act).

9. Plaintiff is informed and believes and based thereon alleges Defendants APPLE COMPUTER, INC. and APPLE, INC. (hereafter “DEFENDANTS”) was and are corporations doing business in the State of California with its principal place of business located in California that operate a retail stores and call centers in California and sell electronic and consumer products to the public.

10. Plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that at all times herein mentioned DEFENDANTS and DOES 1 through 20, are and were corporations, business entities, individuals, and partnerships, licensed to do business and actually doing business in the State of California.

11. As such, and based upon all the facts and circumstances incident to DEFENDANTS’ business in California, DEFENDANTS are subject to California Labor Code §§ 201-204, 226, 1194 and California Business and Professions Code § 17200, et seq., (Unfair Practices Act).

12. Plaintiff does not know the true names or capacities, whether individual, partner or corporate, of the DEFENDANTS sued herein as DOES 1 through 20, inclusive, and for that reason, said DEFENDANTS are sued under such fictitious names, and Plaintiff prays for leave to amend this complaint when the true names and capacities are known. Plaintiff is informed and believes and thereon alleges that each of said fictitious DEFENDANTS was responsible in some way for the matters alleged herein and proximately caused Plaintiff and members of the general public and class to be subject to the illegal employment practices, wrongs and injuries complained of herein.

13. At all times herein mentioned, each of said DEFENDANTS participated in the doing of the acts hereinafter alleged to have been done by the named DEFENDANTS; and furthermore, the DEFENDANTS, and each of them, were the agents, servants and employees of each of the other DEFENDANTS, as well as the agents of all DEFENDANTS, and at all times herein mentioned, were acting within the course and scope of said agency and employment.

14. Plaintiff is informed and believes and based thereon alleges that at all times material hereto, each of the DEFENDANTS named herein was the agent, employee, alter ego and/or joint venturer of, or working in concert with each of the other co-DEFENDANTS and was acting within the course and scope of such agency, employment, joint venture, or concerted activity. To the extent said acts, conduct, and omissions were perpetrated by certain DEFENDANTS, each of the remaining DEFENDANTS confirmed and ratified said acts, conduct, and omissions of the acting DEFENDANTS.

15. At all times herein mentioned, DEFENDANTS, and each of them, were members of, and engaged in, a joint venture, partnership and common enterprise, and acting within the course and scope of, and in pursuance of, said joint venture, partnership and common enterprise.

16. At all times herein mentioned, the acts and omissions of various DEFENDANTS, and each of them, concurred and contributed to the various acts and omissions of each and all of the other DEFENDANTS in proximately causing the injuries and damages as herein alleged. At all times herein mentioned, DEFENDANTS, and each of them, ratified each and every act or omission complained of herein. At all times herein mentioned, the DEFENDANTS, and each of them, aided and abetted the acts and omissions of each and all of the other DEFENDANTS in proximately causing the damages as herein alleged.

CLASS ACTION ALLEGATIONS
17. Definition: The named individual Plaintiff bring this action on behalf of himself and the class pursuant to California Code of Civil Procedure § 382. The Class consists of all DEFENDANTS’ past and present non-exempt employees of DEFENDANTS employed in California during the period from April 2003 to the present who did not have their rates of overtime pay properly recorded and did not have accurate wage statements; Plaintiff also alleges a Subclass of all past and present non-exempt call center employees of DEFENDANTS employed in California from April 2003 through the present.

18. Numerosity: The members of the class are so numerous that joinder of all members would be impractical, if not impossible. The identity of the members of the class is readily ascertainable by review of DEFENDANTS’ records, including payroll records. Plaintiff is informed and believes and based thereon alleges that DEFENDANTS failed to (a) pay to Plaintiff and the class all overtime wages owed at the proper rate of overtime pay, (b) pay to Plaintiff and the class all final wages upon termination of employment, (c) keep proper payroll records in violation of Labor Code § 226, and (d) engaged in Unfair Business Practices, all in violation of IWC Wage Order No 7-2001.

19. Adequacy of Representation: The named Plaintiff is fully prepared to take all necessary steps to represent fairly and adequately the interests of the class defined above. Plaintiff’s attorneys are ready, willing and able to fully and adequately represent the class and individual Plaintiff. Plaintiff’s attorneys have prosecuted and settled wage-and-hour class actions in the past and currently have a number of wage-and-hour class actions pending in California courts.

20. DEFENDANTS uniformly administered a corporate policy, practice of failing to (a) pay to Plaintiff and the class all overtime wages owed at the proper rate of overtime pay, (b) pay to Plaintiff and the class all final wages upon termination of employment, (c) keep proper payroll records in violation of Labor Code § 226, and (d) engaged in Unfair Business Practices, all in violation of IWC Wage Order No 7-2001.

21. Plaintiff is informed and believes and based thereon alleges that DEFENDANTS, in violation of California Labor Code §§ 201 to 204, and 1194, respectfully, had a consistent and uniform policy, practice of willfully failing to comply with Labor Code § 203. Plaintiff and other members of the class did not secret or absent themselves from DEFENDANTS, nor refuse to accept the earned and unpaid wages from DEFENDANTS. Accordingly, DEFENDANTS are liable for waiting time compensation for the unpaid wages to separated employees pursuant to California Labor Code § 203.

22. Common Question of Law and Fact: There are predominant common questions of law and fact and a community of interest amongst Plaintiff and the claims of the class concerning DEFENDANTS’ failure to (a) pay to Plaintiff and the class all overtime wages owed at the proper rate of overtime pay, (b) pay to Plaintiff and the class all final wages upon termination of employment, (c) keep proper payroll records in violation of Labor Code § 226, and (d) engaged in Unfair Business Practices, all in violation of IWC Wage Order No 7-2001.

23. Typicality: The claims of Plaintiff are typical of the claims of all members of the class. Plaintiff is a member of the Class and Subclass and has suffered the alleged violations of California Labor Code §§ 201-204, 226, 1194 and IWC Wage Order No. 7-2001.

24. The California Labor Code and upon which Plaintiff bases his claims are broadly remedial in nature. These laws and labor standards serve an important public interest in establishing minimum working conditions and standards in California. These laws and labor standards protect the average working employee from exploitation by employers who may seek to take advantage of superior economic and bargaining power in setting onerous terms and conditions of employment.

25. The nature of this action and the format of laws available to Plaintiff and members of the class identified herein make the class action format a particularly efficient and appropriate procedure to redress the wrongs alleged herein. If each employee were required to file an individual lawsuit, the corporate DEFENDANTS would necessarily gain an unconscionable advantage since it would be able to exploit and overwhelm the limited resources of each individual plaintiff with their vastly superior financial and legal resources. Requiring each class member to pursue and individual remedy would also discourage the assertion of lawful claims by employees who would be disinclined to file an action against their former and/or current employer for real and justifiable fear of retaliation and permanent damage to their careers at subsequent employment.

26. The prosecution of separate actions by the individual class members, even if possible, would create a substantial risk of (a) inconsistent or varying adjudications with respect to individual class members against the DEFENDANTS and which would establish potentially incompatible standards of conduct for the DEFENDANTS, and/or (b) adjudications with respect to individual class members which would, as a practical matter, be dispositive of the interest of the other class members not parties to the adjudications or which would substantially impair or impede the ability of the class members to protect their interests. Further, the claims of the individual members of the class are not sufficiently large to warrant vigorous individual prosecution considering all of the concomitant costs and expenses.

27. Such a pattern, practice and uniform administration of corporate policy regarding illegal employee compensation described herein is unlawful and creates an entitlement to recovery by the Plaitiffs and the class identified herein, in a civil action, for the unpaid balance of the full amount unpaid overtime, meal and break period premiums, and vested vacation wages, including interest thereon, applicable penalties, reasonable attorney’s fees, and costs of suit according to the mandate of California Labor Code §§ 226 and 1194 and Code of Civil Procedure § 1021.5.

28. Proof of a common business practice or factual pattern, which the named Plaintiff experienced and is representative of, will establish the right of each of the members of the Plaintiff class to recovery on the causes of action alleged herein.

29. The Plaintiff class is commonly entitled to a specific fund with respect to the compensation illegally and unfairly retained by DEFENDANTS. The Plaintiff class is commonly entitled to restitution of those funds being improperly withheld by DEFENDANTS. This action is brought for the benefit of the entire class and will result in the creation of a common fund.

FIRST CAUSE OF ACTION

FAILURE TO PAY OVERTIME WAGES

(AGAINST ALL DEFENDANTS BY PLAINTIFF)
30. Plaintiff re-alleges and incorporates by reference paragraphs 1 through 29 as though fully set for herein.

31. This cause of action is brought pursuant to Labor Code § 1194, et seq., which provides that employees are entitled to overtime wages and compensation for work performed, and provides a private right of action for failure to pay legal overtime compensation for overtime work performed.

32. At all times relevant herein, DEFENDANTS were required to compensate its non-exempt, hourly employees for all overtime hours worked at the appropriate rate of overtime pay pursuant to California Labor Code § 1194 and IWC Wage Order No. 7.

33. As a pattern and practice, DEFENDANTS regularly required their non-exempt employees including Plaintiff and members of the class to work more than 8 hours per work day or more than 12 hours per day without the proper payment of all overtime wages earned and without the payment of the proper rate of overtime wages. Plaintiff and class members were not compensated at the appropriate rate of pay for all hours they were subject to the control of DEFENDANTS, including all time they were suffered or permitted to work.

34. As a pattern and practice, DEFENDANTS regularly failed to include earned commissions and/or earned bonuses and/or other earned non-discretionary incentive pay into the regular rate when calculating and paying Plaintiff and DEFENDANTS’ other non-exempt California employees proper compensation for daily and weekly overtime hours worked at the appropriate overtime rate.

35. As a pattern and practice DEFENDANTS required their Call Center Employees employed in California during the class period to work off-the-clock at the beginning of their shifts and/or at the end of their shifts without the payment of overtime wages and/or overtime wages at the appropriate rate of pay.

36. Plaintiff is informed and believes and based thereon alleges that DEFENDANTS’ policy and practice of requiring overtime work and not paying for said work according to the overtime mandates of California law is, and at all times herein mentioned was in violation of California Labor Code § 1194 and California Industrial Welfare Commission wage order(s). DEFENDANTS’ employment policies and practices wrongfully and illegally failed to compensate Plaintiff and the class for overtime compensation earned as required by California law.

37. The conduct of DEFENDANTS and their agents and employees as described herein was oppressive, fraudulent and malicious, done in conscious disregard of Plaintiff’s and class members’ rights, and done by managerial employees of DEFENDANTS. Plaintiff and class members are thereby entitled to an award of punitive damages against DEFENDANTS, in an amount appropriate to punish and make an example of DEFENDANTS, and in an amount to conform to proof.

38. Plaintiff is informed and believes and based thereon alleges that DEFENDANTS willfully failed to pay employees proper compensation for all overtime hours worked. Plaintiffs are informed and believe and based thereon allege that DEFENDANTS’ willful failure to provide all overtime wages due and owing them upon separation from employment results in a continued payment of wages up to thirty (30) days from the time the wages were due. Therefore, Plaintiff and other members of the class who have separated from employment are entitled to compensation pursuant to Labor Code § 203.

39. Such a pattern, practice and uniform administration of corporate policy regarding illegal employee compensation as described herein is unlawful and creates an entitlement to recovery by Plaintiff in a civil action, for the unpaid balance of the full amount of overtime premiums owing, including interest thereon, penalties, attorneys fees, and costs of suit according to the mandate of California Labor Code § 1194, et seq.



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The Reverend

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Original poster
Jan 21, 2009
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Copy of the Complaint- second half

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SECOND CAUSE OF ACTION

VIOLATION OF LABOR CODE § 203

(AGAINST ALL DEFENDANTS BY PLAINTIFF)

40. Plaintiff re-alleges and incorporates by reference paragraphs 1 through 39 as though fully set for herein.

41. At all times relevant herein, DEFENDANTS were required to pay their non-exempt hourly employees all wages owed in a timely fashion at the end of employment pursuant to California Labor Code §§ 201 to 204.

42. As a pattern and practice, DEFENDANTS regularly failed to pay Plaintiff and class members their final wages pursuant to Labor Code §§ 201 to 204 and accordingly owe waiting time wages pursuant to Labor Code § 203.

43. The conduct of DEFENDANTS and their agents and employees as described herein was willfully done in violation of Plaintiff’s and class members’ rights, and done by managerial employees of DEFENDANTS.

44. Plaintiff is informed and believes and based thereon alleges DEFENDANTS’ willful failure to provide all overtime wages due and owing them upon separation from employment results in a continued payment of wages up to thirty (30) days from the time the wages were due. Therefore, Plaintiff and other members of the class who have separated from employment are entitled to compensation pursuant to Labor Code § 203.

THIRD CAUSE OF ACTION

FOR VIOLATION OF LABOR CODE § 226 REGARDING RECORD KEEPING

(AGAINST ALL DEFENDANTS BY PLAINTIFF)

45. Plaintiff re-alleges and incorporates by reference paragraphs 1 through 44 as though fully set for herein.

46. DEFENDANTS failed in their affirmative obligation to keep accurate records regarding the rates of pay and the total amount of compensation of their California employees in pay periods. DEFENDANTS, as a matter of policy and practice, did not maintain accurate records in violation of Labor Code § 226.

47. For example, as a matter of policy and practice, among the violations of Labor Code § 226, DEFENDANTS failed to keep accurate records of Plaintiff’s and the class members’ rates of pay, rates of overtime pay, net wages earned, daily or weekly overtime pay, taxes being withheld, Social Security taxes being paid, hours worked and overtime hours worked.

48. Such a pattern, practice and uniform administration of corporate policy as described herein is unlawful and creates an entitlement to recovery by the Plaintiff and the class identified herein, in a civil action, for all damages or penalties pursuant to Labor Code § 226, including interest thereon, attorney’s fees, and costs of suit according to the mandate of California Labor Code § 226.

49. DEFENDANTS’ wrongful and illegal conduct in failing to accurately record the hours worked in accordance with Labor Code § 226 despite the clear legal obligation to do so, unless and until enjoined and restrained by order of this court, will cause great and irreparable injury to Plaintiff and all members of the class in that the DEFENDANTS will continue to violate these California laws, represented by labor statutes, unless specifically ordered to comply with same. This expectation of future violations will require current and future employees to repeatedly and continuously seek legal redress in order to gain compensation to which they are entitled under California law. Plaintiff has no other adequate remedy at law to insure future compliance with the California labor laws and wage orders alleged to have been violated herein.

FOURTH CAUSE OF ACTION

FOR VIOLATIONS OF BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS CODE § 17200 ET SEQ.

(AGAINST ALL DEFENDANTS BY PLAINTIFF)

50. Plaintiff re-alleges and incorporates by reference paragraphs 1 through 49 as though fully set for herein.

51. DEFENDANTS, and each of them, have engaged and continue to engage in unfair and unlawful business practices in California by practicing, employing and utilizing the employment practices outlined above, include, to wit, by failing to (a) pay Plaintiff and the class all overtime wages owed, (b) pay Plaintiff and the class all final wages upon termination of employment, (c) keep proper payroll records in violation of Labor Code § 226, and (f) engaging in Unfair Business Practices.

52. DEFENDANTS’ utilization of such unfair and unlawful business practices constitutes unfair, unlawful competition and provides an unfair advantage over DEFENDANTS’ competitors.

53. Plaintiff seeks, on his own behalf, on behalf of other members of the class similarly situated, and on behalf of the general public, full restitution of monies, as necessary and according to proof, to restore any and all monies withheld, acquired and/or converted by the DEFENDANTS by means of the unfair practices complained of herein.

54. Plaintiff seeks, on his own behalf, on behalf of other members of the class similarly situated, and on behalf of the general public, an injunction to prohibit DEFENDANTS from continuing to engage in the unfair business practices complained of herein.

55. The acts complained of herein occurred within the last four years preceding the filing of the complaint in this action.

56. Plaintiff is informed and believes and on that basis alleges that at all times herein mentioned DEFENDANTS have engaged in unlawful, deceptive and unfair business practices, as proscribed by California Business and Professions Code § 17200 et seq., including those set forth herein above thereby depriving Plaintiff and other members of the general public the minimum working condition standards and conditions due to them under the California laws and Industrial Welfare Commission wage orders as specifically described therein.

PRAYER FOR RELIEF

WHEREFORE, Plaintiff prays for judgment for herself and all others on whose behalf this suit is brought against DEFENDANTS, jointly and severally, as follows:

1. For an order certifying the proposed class;

2. For an order appointing Plaintiff as the representative of the class;

3. For an order appointing Counsel for Plaintiff as class counsel;

4. Upon the First Cause of Action, for consequential damages according to proof, for punitive and exemplary damages according to proof, and for waiting time wages according to proof pursuant to California Labor Code § 203;

5. Upon the Second Cause of Action, for waiting time wages according to proof pursuant to California Labor Code § 203;

6. Upon the Third Cause of Action, for damages or penalties pursuant to statute as set forth in California Labor Code § 226, and for costs and attorney’s fees;

7. Upon the Fourth Cause of Action, for restitution to Plaintiff and other similarly effected members of the general public of all funds unlawfully acquired by Defendants by means of any acts or practices declared by this Court to be in violation of Business and Professions Code § 17200 et seq., for an injunction to prohibit Defendants to engage in the unfair business practices complained of herein, for an injunction requiring Defendants to give notice to persons to whom restitution is owing of the means by which to file for restitution;

8. On all causes of action for attorneys fees and costs as provided by California Labor Code §§ 226 & 1194 and Code of Civil Procedure § 1021.5 and for such other and further relief the Court may deem just and proper.
 

JNB

macrumors 604
All it really says (once you get beyond all the usual nonsense) is that the employees were required to "work off the clock." That's the entire crux of this. What specifically constitutes "work" in the sense of this action? Since there is no unique preparation for the assigned tasks (such as donning protective gear or other necessary attire, performing significant tasks such as cleaning or aligning equipment prior to "clockable" work, etc.) it becomes a test of reasonableness in the court's mind as to when the work began, and what should be considered a significant or routine task in preparation for that work.

If the time required to boot a machine, launch an application, and log in is under a couple of minutes (and you'd have a hard time convincing me otherwise), then it should be considered a reasonable and routine task. Most employees are getting settled in and organized--completely non-productive--during this period anyway. Over, say, ten minutes, then it's wouldn't be, and should be counted as work hours.

But, what about the clocked-in time you spend not doing the company's work? Getting coffee, BS'ing with coworkers, and so on. Do you clock out while you're not really working? I think not. So who is ripping whom off here, really?

This is just a waste of everyone's time--except the $400/hr+ attorneys, who both sport some fine addresses, I note. :rolleyes:
 

yg17

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I think I'm going to sue my employer. I'm not paid for the half a second it takes to push the button to power on my computer.

Lets see...

.5 seconds x 260 weekdays in a year = 130 seconds of unpaid work
130 seconds in hours is 0.0361111111
0.0361111111 x $27/hr (yeah, being an IT guy is nice) = 97 cents of wages owed to me
97 cents - 401k contribution - insurance - taxes = THOSE F**KING CROOKS OWE ME A NICKEL!!! :rolleyes:
 

The Reverend

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Jan 21, 2009
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Apple knew about it and did nothing.

In 1999 Apple had opened it's call center in Elk Grove CA for tech support and they had project managers that knew what time management was and quality control was then.

Yet they had Volt and Apple trainers teaching new tech support agents how to start the day to get ready to take calls.

Apple knew and did nothing about this until after this case started. If they could so easily fix it last year. Why couldn't they do it in 1999?

For a dime or a dollar it was still wrong times 597 people, times many years, times many call center across the county.

Apple should take care it it's people and pay up no matter what the cost.

It's the right thing to do:)
 

The Reverend

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CA
How much could it be? Over a Million?

The claim is going back 4 years(2002-2006) and let say 260 days a year.

In 2002 Apple tech support agent were still using Consumer grade iMacs, yeah the multi color type: http://support.apple.com/kb/SP109 :eek:

Sure they had a little more ram then shipped to consumers, but that did not effect the startup time one of those took to get to a login screen. lets average it at about 1.5 minutes.

During this time an agent also had to put on a headset and prepare the desk for the shift. Which could include reading documents that were dropped at the desk during a different shift or reading emails that have been sent to the team for important new tech issues and procedure changes daily.

The apple agents then have to login by typing there name into several programs to gain access to internal services and the data bases for Customer support case logging and tracking. and will suggest that the total logins would be 3 applications and the user account for total of 4 at 1 minute per application and account to fully load.( 4 minutes )

Then the agent could login to the phone system and begin to take calls. For only then could the agent get the customers case started/logged into the data base as per procedure.

Procedure said Ask for the customer name first and type what they say into case data base to search for customer records.


The apple agent paid at about 16.50$ an hour average between new and old agents (15-18$ per hour)

This time is consider "over-time" by the claim, in CA thats time and a half.

In some state there is a fine for paying wages owed past a certain date.
In the case the date is 4 years old, which in most state should be long enough to meet the condition of "paid late".

None of the above says anything about lunch time login/logout and shutting down computer after you logged out of phone system yet either.

So what do we have.

597 people @ 24.75 hourly @ 5.5 minutes daily @ 260 days a year @ 4 years
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$41.25 cents a minute x 5.5 minutes = $2.27 per day or about that.

$2.27 x 260 days= $590.20 for 1 person for 1 year

$590.20 x 4 years - $2360.80

597 people x $2360.80= $1,409,397.60
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Now lets say that the state of California has only a 10% fine.

Thats $140,939.76, Apple has avoided paying perhaps.

So Apple may have saved it self over a million dollars at just that one call center.
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Heres a What if, "this has been happening since 1999" when that call center opened in Elk Grove. Is that another million dollars Apple saved by not making the changes they just made late year to how agents power on the computer and login.

Where does it stop.

Apple has several call centers across county, let say 5 in all, including Elk Grove and Cupertino. This case is only about the Elk Grove call center. So is that 1-2 Million per call center that equalling now 5-10 million Apple has not paid out to it's employees.

When you add it all up, and then add in that this gave Apple an unfair business advantage; it's used to win awards with and beat down the competition with.

Apple NOT only ripped off it's employees, it lied to the IRS and State of California that required precise record keeping on all wages paid and it's record do not reflect what they should.

These large corporations think that no one cares, so that do as they wish.

Look at the headlines about CEO's take hugh bonuses as their business goes in the tank.

After all that, the law in California does state any amount that can NOT be paid to an employes. It's Not about the $, it's the law. If you track a employees time to the second in california , then california expects that your records will reflect this and the pay will also. Apple did NOT.

So it is possible that Apple could owe a lot of people in CA some cash.

How much the courts will actually decide, i have not included many other aspects of this case. i have only simplified how much basic cash we could be talking about.

Perhaps $1,409,397.60 or maybe only a dime. But either way it's that law in CA and Apple may have broken it.
 

The Reverend

macrumors member
Original poster
Jan 21, 2009
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CA
well well

Humm After i suggest that it could be over a million dollars owed.

No one had any logic why i was wrong, so I must be very close to the truth.
:)
 

The Reverend

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Jan 21, 2009
74
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CA
Appeals courts

The Appeal has been filed.

Date is not set yet for the hearing.

Apple made an offer to close the case that was insulting small to the number of people involved and offer the class nothing and only offer Miles Maria.

Which he said no, and that he was doing it for the group.. not so much for himself!

The lawyers have refused this offer also and are pushing forward.

Rumors are that many of the people that opted in are going to show the day of the hearing.

Can you imagine if 500 people showed up. :p

Apple would OMG for just a second, and so would the 3 judges!!!
:)
 

The Reverend

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Original poster
Jan 21, 2009
74
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CA
How much could it be? Perhaps over 1.5 million!

What do we have now?

700 people @ 24.75 hourly @ 5.5 minutes daily @ 260 days a year @ 4 years
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$41.25 cents a minute x 5.5 minutes = $2.27 per day or about that.
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$2.27 x 260 days= $590.20 for 1 person for 1 year
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$590.20 x 4 years - $2360.80
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700 people x $2360.80 = $1,652,560

:confused:

Wow.. and this is only for 1 floor and 1 group at 1 call center.

What about the sales teams downstairs at the Elk Grove, CA center.

What about the Cupertino, CA call center.

Could there be another 700+ there?

How much should any large company be able to get over on it's employes?

When do the people stand up and say, "It's wrong and something should be done about it."

With all these companies and banks giving bonuses and hugh awards of cash as the business goes belly up and takes money from the government and citizens to get bailed out.

Apple is just 1 of many large companies, who's top officers garnish 7 figure salaries and even larger bonuses. While the lowest employees that are carrying the company on it's backs, become nothing but an unemployed statistic in hard times.

Why does California put up with this?
Why does any other state in the USA that has an Apple call center in it?

Time will answer many of these.
 

petermcphee

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I am not taking a position on whether the OP's case is good or not, but, the Portal to Portal Act (which I believe is part of the Fair Labor Standards Act) covers these sorts of situations pretty conclusively.

These types of cases are all the rage right now. Starbucks was just banged for money damages on a similar kind of suit. The minutes and seconds add up, I suppose.

Again, I am not claiming to evaluate the case of the OP. I merely wanted to point out that the Portal to Portal Act provides clear coverage for these types of situations. I believe California's laws are even more protective, but I only remember that anecdotally, not analytically.
 

Melrose

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I really don't understand why the administrators have allowed this thread to continue...
 

The Reverend

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Both sides of the story.. perhaps?

To be fair and show that this is really about big companies like Apple.

Here is Apples side of the story so far.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12666839/Apple-Class-Action-Certification-Opposition

:D

This is a PDF copy of the original submitted by Apple to the courts.

I wonder how many employes are actually watching and asking what is happening?

I still think it would be very interesting if a lot of the people in the case just showed up at the court house when the appeal is being review by the 3 judges.

:rolleyes:

That would sure put a face on this case for the judges. They would have to see that this is much bigger that just little old Miles Maria and his 700+ case members.

It's about Big Business and what they have been getting away with for years.
 

synth3tik

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Yeah, I here you man. This was my first post and it seems negative.

But for the employees that it's may help and protect from abusive employers. Well, it's a good thing for them.

This is not trash talk..

This is fact.

Somehow someone needs to stand up and watch out for the little people. If standing up for your rights and the rights of others is negative, well then so be it.

I don't want people to rant here. But i do wish people to share their thoughts on this subject. Apple has made a lot of cash of using it's employees above and beyond the call to duty. Yeah sure it's done by a lot of companies, but that doesn't make it right.


Well, if you work at Apple then you would know that Apple does not allow their employees to visit rumor sites. Therefor you would know this would not be the best place to find Apple employees, also you would be working with them and have no reason to post to a rumor forum for any other reason then to be negative.

Don't get me wrong I think Apple does some stupid things, but this is just smear.
 
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