596 other People opt in Class Action Suite against Apple.

[The Reverend]

not working at all anymore

So I'm safe here.. thank you for reminding those that still are work there.

If you want to post your thoughts as a video without your picture


go to Youtube.com


I am

 

[LizKat]

Wow. All these years I had only wondered how much my younger siblings might have paid me for making their breakfast pancakes, had I found some way to leverage actual money out of that gig. It never occurred to me that I should have included charges for the prep work as well, like setting the skillet on the fire to heat up while I rummaged around in the fridge and cupboards to find what to make the batter with. I will have to update my American daydream immediately

 

[Melrose]

I'm surprised this thread is still open, to be honest...

There should be a forum feature where a thread will close if it has a number of votes for doing so.

 

[Sun Baked]

There should be a forum feature where a thread will close if it has a number of votes for doing so.

Well, we asked for the member rating to be enabled so we could vote a member into a really low rating and hope for a banning ... but the gods in charge said we'd probably be a little too vindictive against some members.

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They might have been right.

 

[The Reverend]

Please no Censorship

Now I understand wanting to ban people that are rude or breaking the law.

But this i an informational posting.

It's not a rant or screaming why I or other hate Apple, I don't hate Apple.

I love Apple products. it's their management team that I question in the AppleCare part of the company.

I was hoping for a public forum, so that this info could be shared.

Honestly I really do thank the makers of this site for allowing me to share this.

This issue does effect many many people.

This issue could be over by the end of this year and then I'll remove it when it's done.

Thank you all for understanding.

 

[djjclark]

the problem is that in a 4 page thread 90% of the posts are by the OP. Not a good indication of a general interest.

 

[The Reverend]

The viewing activity is more important I think

Over 3000 views on this thread in just a few months suggests that people are interested, they just don't have loads to say.

People are afraid of Apple, they believe that if they comment, they put their jobs at risk. That is why this is important, it's a way for them to know what is happening with the case.

It's a method to have an open discussion if they feel safe to talk.

If this were not so important, I don't believe that it would have anywhere near this many views. I'm no expert.. thats for sure.

 

[The Reverend]

Notice of Appeal

The appeal is Official.

Here is the notice.

Now it's a matter of time to get the Briefing.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15199200/Notice-of-Appeal

 

[The Reverend]

The Briefing.

Well this is how it works.

The Court of Appeals has sent the lawyers confirmation to Miles' lawyers

Each side will have to finish their papers.

Once each side has filed the paperwork. Then a date will be set to have the oral arguments.

Once the oral arguments are done.

Then the Court of Appeals can make a judgement.

Does the Case become a certified Class Action or not, who know?

It will all depend on how good each side presents it's arguments.

If it become a Certified Class Action.. then it will go back to the normal superior court and startup where it left off.

Or perhaps Apple will make an offer to settle before then?

Who knows.. but the ball is rolling.. it's not over yet.

 

[mikes70mustang]

But I bet that all the things that are against the law they did here in CA are also against the law in other states as well.

Um, cali. has a TON of ridiculous laws that most states do not support and or follow

 

[maxrobertson]

You do, but that free speech will land you in trouble with a certain employer.

Then that's a violation of free speech. I think this thread is stupid, but you're being complacent in censorship.

 

[The Reverend]

censorship or contractual agreement?

Then that's a violation of free speech. I think this thread is stupid, but you're being complacent in censorship.

Most companies do not allow their employees to publicly comment on legal matters.

Non disclosure agreements are the most common method for .. censorship sort of!

This thread is about information on a Class Action law suite against Apple and not about censorship or contractual agreements.

But thank you for posting your thoughts.

 

[The Reverend]

Appellant's Opening Brief dates.

Miles Maria's( the Appellant) lawyers are filling the Appellant's Opening Brief prepared for the first step between June 12 2009 and August 10,2009.

Apple has 90 days to file the Respondents Brief after the Appellant's Opening Brief arrives at the Appeals court.

The Appellant has a max of 50 days to send the Appellant's Reply Brief after the Respondents Brief arrives at the court house.

So it has begun.



After The briefs are done, a court date will be set to begin the oral arguments before the 3 Appeals court judges. Thats right..3 judges!

One can only wonder, will this actuall get to court.. or will Mr Jobs lawyers make an offer at this point.

Miles Maria has made it clear that no tiny offer is going to stop this process.

Mr. Jobs has only to man up and this could be over.

Here's wishing that Mr. Jobs is a bigger man and finds that he has been wrong and make right by his employees past and present.

 

[yg17]

Then that's a violation of free speech. I think this thread is stupid, but you're being complacent in censorship.

Free speech? Apple is a private employer, and the US Government has no jurisdiction over what's said on the internet, therefore, there is no concept of free speech. You can't trash your employer or post confidential information, on the internet.

And, I think this lawsuit is ridiculous. The employees are doing what's necessary to be prepared for work. By that logic, I should get paid for the time I spend showering and getting dressed before coming to work, since company policy says I can't come to work naked and smelling like ass

It's a shame we have garbage like this clogging up our court system, preventing legitimate cases from being heard in a timely manner.

 

[MorphingDragon]

597 people lucky to be working.

Yes!!! Take what you can get, if not you lose out.

I think this is why many countries in europe dumped suing for Tribunal Court or equivalent (And other reasons). Use the judges for something more serious, than people bitching and complaining at each other that they had to do a little extra stuff or that he looked at me funny. You gave me the Evils, give me $5Mill!!!

If its against the law then do so. But you never really told us the extra stuff you had to do before getting on to the actual system. Until then your word is questionable. OMG I got asked to boot the computers at work. You owe me overtime!!! This crap would never be allowed outside America.

BTW you do know the Reverend is a title of respect for a Clergyman? (Oxford Dictionary) Right? (Clergy being a group of priests and bishops)

Rofl

 

[The Reverend]

These posting are also for discussing Corporate America.

BTW you do know the Reverend is a title of respect for a Clergyman? (Oxford Dictionary) Right? (Clergy being a group of priests and bishops)

Rofl

BTW I am a Reverend in a church. And it's part of my title. So I am allowed to use it when I wish. I am not being disrespectful to anyone here either!



As for everyones comments on this information that I'm sharing. Thank you.

This posting is not just about Apple and their policies. It's not about Miles Maria and why he is suing Apple for overtime that wasn't paid or that Apple may have broken California labor laws.

These posting are also for discussing Corporate America. Miles Maria VS Apple is the example.

Apple like many large companies in America have the ability to do everything by the book. And yet many large companies seem to think they are above the law, because they are SO big.. that no one will notice things that are small and a few minute of time from each employee each day.

Apple like many companies has project managers and other specialist that can project what any employee may need to do and could do on any given job.

In this case, it appears that Apple may not have projected that several hundred employees could be doing a behavior that now seems to have broken a law. Did Apple know?.. how could they not know?.. when it would appear to be 500-700+ employees.

Why did Apple change it's internal policy for Applecare Rep's and other employes to automatically have their workstation computers boot-up before they clocked into work and why did they change that policy right after the case started if Apple wasn't doing anything wrong?

To understand the nature of this discussion, you sort of have to read the documents that are posted online about the case and read what they say about the law and what is claimed in the names of several hundred people.

Again.. thank you all for you your comments.

 

[andrew upstairs]

I usually get to work an hour before I'm supposed to start. I'll start working before I clock in, and I'll work after I clock out.

I fill out my own timecards.

I'm just sayin'.

 

[dejo]

It's not about Miles Maria and why he is suing Apple for overtime that wasn't paid or that Apple may have broken California labor laws.

Haven't we already established that "The Reverend" = Miles Maria? Why do you continue to speak about yourself in the third-person? Can't we just end the charade?

 

[Pnut13]

Apple Should have had this figured out back in the 90's. When they took over all the call centers that were done by 3rd party contractors. They knew how to mange time then.

Here are some of the links found by searching google

you know way too much about the history of it to be a third party unbiased viewpoint.........then i read on....

This may seem like an attack on Apple directly, but it is not.


Apple is just the possible example of the corporate giant and the 597 people in that case, are just the little people.

that is why you are posting bad stufff about Apple on a apple rumors sight. I am not pro Microsoft but i am not going to go to a MS rumor site and talk garbage.

Needless to say, I don't believe that Class Action Suits on my behalf are beneficial to anyone but the attorneys/lawyers...

bingo.

Interesting YouTube user name there, The Reverend. Or should I say Miles Maria? I think you just tipped your hand...

wow that was funny for us, kinda sad for Reverend Miles.

Well, if you work at Apple then you would know that Apple does not allow their employees to visit rumor sites. Therefor you would know this would not be the best place to find Apple employees, also you would be working with them and have no reason to post to a rumor forum for any other reason then to be negative.

Don't get me wrong I think Apple does some stupid things, but this is just smear.

yeah and of a man of the cloak (being a reverend) i would think that slandering is not up there on things to be doing.

 

[yg17]

BTW I am a Reverend in a church. And it's part of my title. So I am allowed to use it when I wish. I am not being disrespectful to anyone here either!

Too bad Jesus never said "Let he who is without sin file the first law suit"

 

[uberamd]

Oh boy, this is what the world is coming to. Instead of people being glad they even have jobs in this economy, they decide to create a class action lawsuit for measly dollars. Bravo.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why the world is going down the crapper at an incredibly fast rate. People like this are what gets me so worked up. I get to work early to get everything ready for the day! And I don't put that on my time sheet! Booting my computer is NOT working in my book, its pressing a button and staring at a screen for a minute or two. BIG DEAL. And like others have said, given employees don't work 100% of the day, are they deducting that time from their pay sheets? I think not. The OP, and those involved in the CAS make me sick. Sorry, but you people need to quit crying over pennies and grow the hell up.

 

[Jakethasnake919]

What do we have now?

700 people @ 24.75 hourly @ 5.5 minutes daily @ 260 days a year @ 4 years
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$41.25 cents a minute x 5.5 minutes = $2.27 per day or about that.
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$2.27 x 260 days= $590.20 for 1 person for 1 year
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$590.20 x 4 years - $2360.80
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700 people x $2360.80 = $1,652,560

Do you really think that turning on the computer for four years is worth $2360.80? That is pathetic. I am a college student and I am about $30,000 in debt already and I am always respectful to my employer when it comes to money. They are already giving you a job. They are paying you 52 weeks/yr * 40 hrs/week * $24.75/hr = $51,480/year to answer a damn phone. And you are going to try to shaft them over booting your computer? How hard were you really working while it was booting up? You were probably sitting in your rolly chair spinning around twiddling your thumbs until it booted. I am still not convinced that it takes 5.5 minutes to boot your computer. My computer may take 2.5 minutes to boot on a bad day.

 

[The Reverend]

For the discussion only

These numbers were based on rough numbers for the discussion and were to make a point. The discussion is about large companies taking advantage of their employees. Apple is the example.

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700 people @ 24.75 hourly @ 5.5 minutes daily @ 260 days a year @ 4 years--- this is for the total of the day.. not just turning on the computer=5.5 minutes
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$41.25 cents a minute x 5.5 minutes = $2.27 per day or about that.
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$2.27 x 260 days= $590.20 for 1 person for 1 year
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$590.20 x 4 years - $2360.80
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700 people x $2360.80 = $1,652,560.00
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These numbers only represent one state in the USA, Apple has several other call centers that all had the same policies. Who's to say that this didn't happen across the country and is 4 times the amount above.

It would NOT matter if it were 1/10th of these amounts, in the state of California, USA it's the law. The employer has to pay ever penny earned.

Since Apple holds the employees accountable to the second for call durations and so on.. for all AppleCare Rep's, then why shouldn't Apple be held accountable for what they owe them. It's the law here in CA.

A lot of big companies don't like doing business in CA because of some of these type of laws.. but the point is.. it's the Law.

All companies , Like Apple should be held accountable .. for everything they do with their employees.

Apple has always had the ability since 1998 when it opened it's OWN call centers and stopped having most of the calls done by 3rd party contractors.
They could have made the policies then that could have prevented it. Why didn't they? Why did they choose to wait till just last year to change them?

 

[uberamd]

These numbers were based on rough numbers for the discussion and were to make a point. The discussion is about large companies taking advantage of their employees. Apple is the example.

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700 people @ 24.75 hourly @ 5.5 minutes daily @ 260 days a year @ 4 years--- this is for the total of the day.. not just turning on the computer=5.5 minutes
--------
$41.25 cents a minute x 5.5 minutes = $2.27 per day or about that.
--------
$2.27 x 260 days= $590.20 for 1 person for 1 year
--------
$590.20 x 4 years - $2360.80
--------
700 people x $2360.80 = $1,652,560.00
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These numbers only represent one state in the USA, Apple has several other call centers that all had the same policies. Who's to say that this didn't happen across the country and is 4 times the amount above.

It would NOT matter if it were 1/10th of these amounts, in the state of California, USA it's the law. The employer has to pay ever penny earned.

Since Apple holds the employees accountable to the second for call durations and so on.. for all AppleCare Rep's, then why shouldn't Apple be held accountable for what they owe them. It's the law here in CA.

A lot of big companies don't like doing business in CA because of some of these type of laws.. but the point is.. it's the Law.

All companies , Like Apple should be held accountable .. for everything they do with their employees.

Apple has always had the ability since 1998 when it opened it's OWN call centers and stopped having most of the calls done by 3rd party contractors.
They could have made the policies then that could have prevented it. Why didn't they? Why did they choose to wait till just last year to change them?

Do these employees deduct time from their time sheets when they are talking with each other? When they are not actually doing work? I guarantee the time they spend doing nothing will cancel out, if not exceed the time they are crying over!

 

[mscriv]

Just for fun I checked out the OP's profile. In the six months of being a member you have posted in only 4 different threads. Not surprisingly, there's quite a pattern.

#1 This thread

#2 Apple Philosophy of no choice

#3 Is anybody beginning to personally dislike Jobs?

#4 Incompetent Apple staff in Premium Reseller

I know you keep saying that this thread and your participation is about spreading information and contributing to the community. However, the evidence doesn't seem to support this. I'm not defending Apple and I'm no fanboy. However, I do think this community is a great place to both get information and support others who come here for help, friendship, and recreation. How about you try actually being a part of the community and participating in helping others as opposed to pushing your single minded agenda. Just my $0.02.