Nah I think most knew the 5S would be a minor upgrade and the screen size would stay the same. the iphone 6 is what people want to see a big upgrade and a screen size is a must.
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5s more of the same. Apple is treading water
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Nah I think most knew the 5S would be a minor upgrade and the screen size would stay the same. the iphone 6 is what people want to see a big upgrade and a screen size is a must.
Easy Bronco! Read my responses carefully before replying.
1. Ok, so you found one shop that uses NFC for payments. That is the exception and not the rule. And before you go all butt hurt, read threads in this forum about NFC and google it.
2. Megapixel Class in session....
3. iOS is already buttery smooth. Android when it has Touchwiz and HTC Sense on it are laggy. Why Apple went 64bit....Class in session....
4. *Sigh*
5. Notification light is cool. I don't need it and I doubt Apple's stock price would have shot up because of it.
6. The S upgrades have always been like this. 6 will be the redesign and all that.
Did you buy the GEFORCE 2800000GTX SUPER ULTIMATE Edition yet? I hear it's a beast!
NFC is almost there. In Asia every subway card is NFC. Once they integrate the payment scheme, I can see it becoming VERY useful.
Yes the sensor is not bad, still behind the Z1, 1020, possibly even the g2. Truth be told it aint ground breaking
The Icon system still sucks donkey.... after using the 920 and being used to my schedule updating in real time and full emails showing up as they come instead of having to keep clicking in and out.
Screen size really you dont appreciate it until you go up. I went up from a 4 to a 920 and really I cant go back.
All in all looks like apple is settling on the female market, which means sadly screen size is gonna stay small to fit smaller hands. Making more "pretty colors" and "tech friendly for non-techie people".
I'm happy with 4in but its been rumored for like a year now that Apple is going to up the screen size. Remember the iPhone Math (Plus) rumors? What about the rumor the other day about them looking at sizes up to 6in?
I'm thinking it's more when than if.
Well, they are determined to get it just right. They don't release anything until they've gotten it just right. Didn't you know?
Wonder how they'll reconcile the all important "one hand use". Nearly all their videos are littered "... but you can still experience the iPhone with just one hand."
Then again, they say the iPad Mini can be used one handed. But somehow, other large screen devices can't. : shrug : It's a crazy Apple world!
And yet here we are, posting in the "Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices" subforum!
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And yet every year their market share dwindles and people like you fail to grasp the simple concept that whilst each iPhone sells more than the previous one, the growth of the smart phone market is massively outpacing that growth.
And yet here we are, posting in the "Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices" subforum!
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And yet every year their market share dwindles and people like you fail to grasp the simple concept that whilst each iPhone sells more than the previous one, the growth of the smart phone market is massively outpacing that growth.
Slight correction. The growth of high end smartphones has essentially grounded to a halt. Even the S4 is selling much less than expected
It's the growth of "cheaper" smartphones in third world countries that's the key these days
Apple isn't willing to cut their profit margins. But it's just a fact of life these days. Samsung profit margin has eroded. Apple profit margins are also down (there was tell tell sign that 50% of Q2 Verizon Apple sales were from older iPhone 4S and 4 devices). .
What is the compelling reason to buy the 5C?
If this is not just the iPhone 5 in different colors, Apple best start sending memos to stores asking them to increase awareness to employees. It is the same story I have been told in every store I have been in since the 5C was announced.
5S = for those who want the latest and greatest. I really, truly believe Apple will sell less of these than of....
5C = for those simply looking for an upgrade.
If you think about it, the 5C is appealing to the general consumer for a few reasons. It's colorful (there's a market for colorful), durable (plastic + steel frame), and cheaper than the 5S.
So say a parent walks into an AT&T store needing to get phones. Maybe a few upgrades for the her and teenage daughter Marie, and little Timmy just reached smartphone age (whatever you think that is). Mom has always had an iPhone and isn't really all that into technology. Kids see colorful iPhones, recognize the iPhone (because mom has one) and immediately want it. Mom sees price tag of $99 (on-contract) and says, "Sure - not too bad".
She may see the 5S and get it for herself. Dad might want the 5S because he's into tech. But for the kids? 5C all the way.
People here forget - the way we forum goers think is VASTLY different than the way the average consumer thinks.
I can see the above scenario happening A LOT. Which is why, while 5C preorders haven't blown up, the 5C will still be very popular as an "impulse buy", walk-in purchase.
TouchWiz is part of the problem. At least Samsung offers the S4 in pure Android form as well (Google Edition).
I don't think that matters. So long as Apple's own growth is growing, that's a sign that they're not 'treading water' or struggling.
Let me tell you why I think that...
Android goes for the low end, mid range and high end/premium markets.
Apple goes only for the high end/premium market. Even last year's iPhone is more expensive than most Android/other phones.
Even with the introduction of the 5c, they haven't gone for any less than the high end/premium market.
When you can pick up an Android phone for like £50 SIM free, how can Apple compete with that?
I don't think Apple cares what share of the global smartphone market it has when it still has the lion's share of the profits (although there is an ongoing debate over which company is the most profitable at the moment; Samsung or Apple).
You also have to ask yourself why Apple's number of users is growing year after year when Google is practically giving away great phones like the Nexus 4. It's because people love the iPhone. According to uSwitch, the iPhone 5, 4S and 4 (in that order) are still the best selling smartphones in the UK, with the Galaxy S4 and S3 in fourth and fifth place.
Android has saturated the market with thousands of phones at all price points and still the iPhone maintains a decent market share in some countries, including the US. There's no way they'll ever take the global smartphone marketshare lead from Android, but merely keeping up bearing in mind all I've said above is no mean feat.
Yep, Jon Ive himself claimed the iPad mini was usable with one hand. Go to about 2:10 of the Apple intro video:
"We felt strongly that 7.9" was exactly the right display size. But it became clear that we had to reduce the width of the borders, so you can still pick it up and easily use it with one hand."
If he says an almost 8" screen is usable with one hand, then 6" should be super easy
Yep, Jon Ive himself claimed the iPad mini was usable with one hand. Go to about 2:10 of the Apple intro video:
YouTube: video
"We felt strongly that 7.9" was exactly the right display size. But it became clear that we had to reduce the width of the borders, so you can still pick it up and easily use it with one hand."
If he says an almost 8" screen is usable with one hand, then 6" should be super easy
ROFL. That is rich.
I think I'll print that line on a T-shirt, across his nauseatingly over-sincere face, and just go strutting through the nearest Apple store whilst speaking on my future Note 3.
Yep, Jon Ive himself claimed the iPad mini was usable with one hand. Go to about 2:10 of the Apple intro video:
YouTube: video
"We felt strongly that 7.9" was exactly the right display size. But it became clear that we had to reduce the width of the borders, so you can still pick it up and easily use it with one hand."
If he says an almost 8" screen is usable with one hand, then 6" should be super easy
Yup! And he says easily used with one hand.
I've pointed this out quite a few times myself:
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Once again, Apple marketing for the win.
FYI - Anandtech's in depth review on the iPhone 5S.....
More of the same my......
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review
More of the same my......
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review
The Wall Street Journal reports that Apple is testing larger iPhone displays, ranging from 4.8 to 6 inches.
http://9to5mac.com/2013/09/05/wsj-apple-testing-larger-iphone-screens-some-up-to-six-inches/
You'll likely hear the same rhetoric.
"Here at Apple, we didn't want to increase screen size for the sake of increasing screen size, we wanted to truly get it just right. Our primary focus is still the experience. And we discovered that in order to maintain the same experience that everyone loves about the iPhone, we had to design a screen that is precisely XX inches. We truly believe this is the perfect size."
/Ive
Geez, ever think of increasing the screen size to attract some folks that want it but bought something else instead???
An interesting Tumblr of all of iOS 7's "Sloppy UI" collected and pictured: http://sloppyui.tumblr.com/
And I keep reading about iOS 7 giving people motion sickness and headaches... Are the UI animations that bad? I'm tempted to go to an Apple store to try it out.
And I keep reading about iOS 7 giving people motion sickness and headaches... Are the UI animations that bad? I'm tempted to go to an Apple store to try it out.
Ruh roh, couchy's salivating over people being critical of iOS 7.
Some of the animations are irritating though, Apple has some cleaning up to do.
Some of the animations are irritating though, Apple has some cleaning up to do.
How would there be fragmentation? They keep the same resolution and increase to about 4.3" and still maintain Retina. Apps don't need to change.
Even if they do change resolution, what happens when they eventually do get a larger iPhone? Won't they eventually have that problem?
Are you concerned about the apparent lag of iOS 7? If I recall correctly, you can't accept even milliseconds of lag.
I'm running it on my iPhone 5 and I'm seeing very little in the way of actual lag, there is some, mind you, and more than there was in iOS 6 (not much more though), the main problem is the speed of the animations. Most of them are just too slow- transitions that were quick and snappy on iOS 6 now take far too long. It's probably only milliseconds difference, but yes, the apparent speed of navigating the OS feels slower. Not a lot slower, but enough to irritate me.
Apple certainly has some work to do, hopefully everything gets tightened up in a point release soon.